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Finally, I tried this product from New Zealand- Kolorex. It's an herbal cream, and it made a huge difference!! (I think I bought it off of vitacost.com) The package claims it's only for symptomatic relief, but it was a cure for me (and even if it was only for symptomatic relief, that would have been better than nothing when I was constantly itchy!)
This is my favorite find this year!! Thanks for posting this. It led me to Australian Bushfood and Native Medicine Forum!

I'm not keen on killing off candida (which exists for a reason), but for topical relief, this sounds fascinating.

Here is an intriguing discussion about the plant origin of Kolorex. http://www.bushfood.net/viewtopic.php?t=457
http://www.herbsociety.org/promplant/horopito.php



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...still reading all your wonderfully airy-fairy posts (jk!) but had to subscribe and add that Similisan's Pink Eye Relief kicks butt!
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I'm not keen on killing off candida (which exists for a reason), but for topical relief, this sounds fascinating.
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What is the reason for the candida?

FWIW, I don't have candida issues while I'm not pregnant, but have suffered with it during the last half of my second pregnancy, and on and off during this one. I've finally discovered that it's coming from my husband. :\
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I have not read all the posts in this thread but I do know that candida is pretty easy to cure. I had it very bad and I got rid of it.

You HAVE TO do a sugar starvation diet. I took some herbs to help with the cleanse but I promise if you 100% stop eating sugar the extra candida will go away!

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I have had crohns disease for 11 years now. I have had great success maintaining remission through natural means. I kept a remission for 4 years using whole foods and supplements. However I just can not treat an acute flare with it. I started flaring about a year ago and I tried so many different diets and supplements to no avail. I would improve for a little while and I would think "great this is working", only to get terribly ill again. All of my remissions have been medicially induced. I am lucky in that once my body heals, I can get off the meds and maintain it using natural methods. I almost waited too long before getting medical help. I dont think I will wait that long next time. I will just take my meds, come off them and maintain my health naturally.

The key is to not have a chronic illness at all. I hope I can prevent that from ever happening to my child. Then we can maintain her health and treat the few normal childhood ailments naturally.

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ITA with a lot of what SaoirseC said. And to answer the question about the candida, sometimes yeast is there because of excess mercury in the system, it feeds off the mercury. This is good because it neutralizes much of the mercury so that it doesn't do as much harm.

I tried killing all my candida once with no knowledge of why that would be bad without first clearing the way for the toxins to be eliminated and also safely chelating the mercury from my system. I got very, very sick. I don't ever want to go through that again.
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I have not read all the posts in this thread but I do know that candida is pretty easy to cure. I had it very bad and I got rid of it.

You HAVE TO do a sugar starvation diet. I took some herbs to help with the cleanse but I promise if you 100% stop eating sugar the extra candida will go away!

Make stevia your new bff!
Chakra, BTDT and it didn't work for me. And by "sugar" I mean anything that could potentially be turned into sugar- all grains, most vegetables, all fruit, all dairy, etc. Didn't work.
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ITA with a lot of what SaoirseC said. And to answer the question about the candida, sometimes yeast is there because of excess mercury in the system, it feeds off the mercury.
Interesting...how do you chelate the mercury? Obviously not something I'd want to do during pregnancy or while breastfeeding, but maybe in around 3 years .
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You can go to a chelation specialist, but it's very time consuming and expensive, and if they don't know what they're doing, possibly dangerous.

There are natural chelators which are relatively safe. Cilantro is one, and so is chlorella. I personally feel great if I take chlorella.

Probably it would be best to figure out if you even have this problem first. It can be really hard to get rid of.
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You can go to a chelation specialist, but it's very time consuming and expensive, and if they don't know what they're doing, possibly dangerous.

There are natural chelators which are relatively safe. Cilantro is one, and so is chlorella. I personally feel great if I take chlorella.

Cilantro and chlorella are dangerous as they only mobilize mercury
(from where it was stored in your body).

They do not bind or escort it out of the body. Mobilized mercury circulates in the blood to redeposit into the brain, organs, gut, fetus and breastmilk. There are specific nutrients which help to bind and escort mercury. Additionally, there are chelators which can only be used *after* all mercury fillings have been safely removed by IAOMT protocols. Chelating with mercury fillings in the mouth is dangerous. Chelating should not be done while ttc, pregnant or nursing.

There are nutrients which help the body to optimize detox pathways naturally, such as magnesium, B6, B12, folate, zinc, molybdenum, selenium, sulfate. Vit C, selenium, bentoniteclay and kelp (heavy metal tested, organic) help to bind heavy metals and escort them out. Actively detoxing heavy metals has significant risks and is safest with a professional's personalized support.

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Cilantro and chlorella are dangerous as they only mobilize mercury
What I've read about the chlorella and cilantro is that cilantro mobilizes the mercury and chlorella binds with it so that it can be safely eliminated. Can you give me some references so I can update my understanding of this?
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What I've read about the chlorella and cilantro is that cilantro mobilizes the mercury and chlorella binds with it so that it can be safely eliminated. Can you give me some references so I can update my understanding of this?
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZG9...orella&f=false (type in chlorella in the search space on the left, if the page doesn't display where Cutler discusses the issues regarding only one thiol group in chlorella.)


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Anyone know how tumeric is with metals?
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Cilantro and chlorella are dangerous as they only mobilize mercury
You need to consume raw fat to bind with the cilantro. The best raw fat to do this is raw cream. So if you juice the cilantro, then it should always be consumed with raw cream.

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You need to consume raw fat to bind with the cilantro. The best raw fat to do this is raw cream. So if you juice the cilantro, then it should always be consumed with raw cream.
Do you have a reference source? Here is one discussion. I trust Cutler. http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1382163


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Here's an article on mercury poisoning and some of the treatments used for it. It discusses both chlorella and cilantro.

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercu...limination.htm

This is the research I had read that led me to believe chlorella and cilantro used together could be effective. But I do agree that someone with significant mercury poisoning should only chelate under a doctor's supervision. I do know that there have been several cases of people dying during intensive intravenous chelation therapy, so care must be taken to choose your specialist wisely.

I did look at the link above but was not able to view the page (I believe it was page 90) that would have had full info about the chlorella.

I did read what he said about his belief that there is no mineral loss during chelation therapy. But I didn't see any references or studies cited. If I could get ahold of the whole book I'd probably understand better.
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I like Mercola. I trust Cutler.

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Okay I finally found the part you mentioned about the thiols. What I'm getting from it is that because chlorella has only one thiol, it does not bind as tightly to mercury as substances in the two thiol group, and thus it moves mercury around, but does not necessarily shuttle it safely out of the body. But some of the statements seemed contradictory. He said that chlorella bounces mercury around more which presumably could cause more damage, but he also said that it causes it to be removed more quickly.

Is this something that he has proven through experiments or trials, or a theory based on what he knows of chemistry? Again, I know I need to read the book to understand. But I've always felt excellent on chlorella and it's hard for me to believe that it was just causing more damage, although I concede that it's a possibility.
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myjo, I have a feeling this is an important caution for people first looking into heavy metal issues. The worse a person's detox pathways are, the more nutritionally rundown they are, and the heavier their load of metals, the worse they would do with chlorella or cilantro. They just wouldn't have any extra resilience, any wiggle room for dropped metals.

For people who aren't that messed up (to describe it bluntly), or who are very knowledgeable and very careful and who probably use other nutritional supports at the same time, my best guess is that they could have good outcomes. But for the typical person who's thinking they have a heavy metal issue and wants to get started, this would be a risky way to do it.

The frequent dose chelation yahoo group is dedicated to Cutler-style chelation, frequent, low dose using some combo of dmsa, dmps and ala. Plenty of people there have had significant issues with chlorella and cilantro and the like, but the typical person on the list seems pretty significantly impaired. I lurked for a while, and while I'd say I used to be moderately mercury toxic, and it's significantly affected my life and I can see the health and behavior effects in both my kids, I was better off than half the group at least, maybe 2/3.
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I suppose I'm not quite as mercury toxic as some. I know I do have some, but like I said I have only ever felt good on chlorella. But I agree that the caution against cilantro and chlorella are probably valid, especially for those with a significant toxic load. This is a subject I only know a little about, so I'm just looking to refine my understanding. I'll have to try to get ahold of that book by Cutler.
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If you feel better taking it, and you're not seeing worrisome trends in other ways--for me it would be depression, irritability and fatigue--that come on over time, then I'd have a hard time saying it's bad for you. I don't know enough to be sure. I mean--I cheated with gluten (I'm gfcf) last fall, and it didn't make me feel better, but the problems it caused were slow in onset, slower than they were when I first started gfcf and got gluten accidentally. But it's never made me feel better, which seems fundamentally different than what you're describing.
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