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Have you tried 5-htp? It's an amino acid supplement - I've heard it can help with fibromyalgia symptoms...

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The nighttime "waking in a panic" could be adrenaline surge from low blood sugar. If you go hypoglycemic, your adrenals kick your liver to produce glucose to bring it back up (and keep your brain from going into coma). The adrenaline that gets released causes anxiety and insomnia. I've been reading a lot about this lately. Hypoglycemia is caused by a high carb diet ... and a high fat, high protein, no grains/sugar primal eating would end it.

I'd be very interested to know what your fasting blood glucose level was and would wager it was low.
I am hypoglycemic, yes. It's been worse the last few months. It also got quite bad during both pregnancies. I wake in a panic often. Hyperventalating, heart racing, fight or flight instinct, disoriented, feeling of impending danger.... makes restful sleep pretty hard. It's also been suspected by docs that I have an epilepsy disorder and may be having partial seizures in my sleep (which would explain the hallucinations I suppose). I've had some seriously intense hallucinations in the past. The kind that makes sleep specialists say, "wow, even my worse narcolepsy patients don't describe stuff that vivid!". Heck, maybe I have narcolepsy too. I typically start dreaming VERY soon after falling into a light sleep.

As I've mentioned in this thread. Going no sugar would be a tough one for me. Sugar addict.

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Sorry, I'm not sure if that was something I wrote or that it was something lost in interpretation. I cannot say that everyone with chronic pain has lyme, but everyone who has lyme feels better grain and sugar free. We have my husband in a very good place and any bit of sugar or grain will have him flair. If he goes off the remedies he's in misery-a 9 on a scale of 1-10 for pain. On the remedies he is great-at this point I'd say legitimately a 2 or a 3. However if he eats grains and sugar he'll flair to a 6 or 7.

It's fairly well understood by LLMD's at this point that borrelia lurves the gluten and the sugar. I have certainly seen that bear out in practice. I have had a few people that have been able to overcome the errors in diet with remedies so that they are feeling significantly better despite eating those things. Bums me out because I really believe they'd feel totally better if they changed that last thing! I'd never recommend that anyone with lyme eat either. That's why the primal type of diet works so very well. I also like that Mark recommends exercise which, while painful, is essential.

I also agree with the nighttime waking and adrenaline surge-something to check out for sure and something that the dietary changes can also help quite a bit with.
Like I said, sugar would be tough. I've been a sugar addict all my life. Sweets on the brain 24/7! I've eliminated so many things from my diet already and currently trying to get back down in weight a bit. So doing even more with my diet seems like a huge stress. I have cut back a significant amount in the last 3 months however. Are natural sugar alternatives just as bad? I imagine so.

I've had my adrenals checked and everything was apparently a-ok. Though I know better than to just assume docs know what their doing all the time.

The night time issues get very stressful and effect my waking time as well. Sometimes it gets so bad I'm affraid to go to sleep because of what I may experience or see. My husband sleeps like a log. Falls asleep within 2 minutes of intention and stays asleep all night unless something external wakes him. So jealous. My two major points of appearence or significant increase in symptoms seemed to be following the birth of both kids. Thats when I got the most new symptoms and lngest lasting cycles of them. Though last winter brought the most intense joint pain and joint injury pain. Now the pain is more widespread and injury to joints, tendons, ligaments, and muscles is easier.

I've been exercising regularly for about 3 or 4 months now and aside from the first 2 weeks I've only seen an increase in pain, weakness, and injury. Even after working with a trainer to find better accomidating exercises it's been much the same. Very frustrating and scary to see these significant and unfortunate changes in my body despite efforts to heal.

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The allergy testing you had (IgE) won't find the allergies you are describing. The IgE allergies are "immediate onset allergies" meaning you react right away and are the anaphylactic type. If your symptoms don't start for 2 hours after ingesting the offending ingredient they would be IgG allergies, or "delayed onset allergies." I tested OK on all my IgE allergy tests too. I got IgG testing done and on a scale of 0-5 I was a 5+ on milk, and a 3 on egg and sunflower. I've eliminated milk completely. I can't even tolerate minute amounts in seasonings and such. (I recently reacted badly to what I finally narrowed down to a steak seasoning that has "natural flavors") I got my IgG allergy testing done through my ND. He ordered the kit, had it sent to my house, and I sent my blood in for testing. I only got tested for 30 foods because it was all I could afford at the time. It was $130.

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I had what appeared (to me, an allergist, and an ER doc) as an anaphylactic reaction back in Dec. I ended up having about 3 more reactions in the 2 or 3 months following. That led me to an allergist who did skin testing for a zillion things. Environmental stuff, foods, animals, etc. NOTHING reacted. I also have what appears to be pretty bad seasonal allergies but again, reacted to nothing. I did a blood test for celiacs and dairy allergy and both were negative. I know I'm sensative to soy. I've had problems with it in the past and do my best to avoid it. I did not react to soy on the skin test however. I also noticed a few years ago that artificial sweeteners increase my pain levels in my skin tissue (if not cause it). I kicked it out completely but, that makes getting rid of actual sugar even more difficult unfortunately.
The anaphylactic reaction is a clue that you are a very sensitive individual. I'm guessing they didn't test for what you are truly IgE allergic to.

Anyway, skin testing won't diagnose food sensitivities. It may not even work all that well for IgE "true allergies" either. You could have sensitivities to one or more foods you are eating every day...any food. My worst offenders in this regard are rice, apple, citrus, and grape. There are a number of others, but these are the ones that cause the joint inflammation problem - for me. I have no problem with dairy or wheat. There are a number of IgG tests that certain (typically alternative) HCP's will do, but every allergist I've ever heard of won't do these tests, they only test for IgE, or "true allergies".
The allergies subforum has lots of info on which IgG tests are more accurate than others.

Too bad you're not near Maryland, or I could "feel out" some foods for you. (Recently I've been able to tell which foods, just by feel, that someone is having a problem with.) Let me know if you ever come out this way.

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exercise in the absence of appropriate treatment is not likely to bring relief, I will grant you that. I understand on the sugar, but unfortunately it really is an obstacle to cure. Think of it this way: sugar is feeding the borrelia thus exacerbating lyme. I don't think you'll find any information anywhere to refute that. So as bad as this is, as debilitating as it is, as disruptive as this is, isn't it worth it to go through the minor discomfort of changing your diet? IF it's not, it's not, and that's fine. But, you have stated that money is a significant issue and this is a free solution that at worst will help significantly with the blood sugar swings, and at best can bring significant relief from the pain. Grains are included because they do turn to sugar.

I know it can be hard to eliminate things-so I tell people not to. Instead of eliminating, discover a new way of eating. Find new, inspiring recipes that will facilitate healing. IF you follow a primal style of eating, grains and sugar aren't included. So you can sally forth on an entirely new path. The information is free (it's all online-there is a book and an accompanying recipe book but there's so much for free that you don't need it.) You need to buy food anyway-it's just a different kind of food. It's way cheaper than allergy testing, doesn't require a practitioner of any kind and is very common knowledge for any kind of healing. Sugar is not our friend. The sweets on the brain signify an imbalance. If you have very little in the way of resources that's an easy place to start.

I'd strongly consider it, but that's just me.
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My reactions were from something that takes a bit of time to break down because I didn't start seeing symptoms until about 2 hours after eating something with the offensive ingredient in it. I think I actually narrowed it down to the food (packaged) that caused it. Unfortunately we did skin testing for everything on the ingredient list and came up with nothing. So it's probably one of the spices or chemicals they lump in with other things on the list or don't put on the list at all. Needless to say, I avoid that item with certainty.... which is too bad, because it was pretty darn tastey.

As for other diet stuff. I'd have to experiment with elimination (or reverse elimination) because I don't have medical insurance (and can't get any) and only have access to very basic testing at a clinic where I pay a monthly flat fee.
My IgG reactions take a few hours to start manifesting. Then I feel all the different reactions as the food goes all the way through. Fun, fun. A skin test won't test for this kind of food issue, only the IgE stuff, if even that.

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I agree with the other posters that getting sugar out of your diet should be your #1 goal.

Regarding Vitamin D levels, I just came across an interesting blog that therorizes grain consumption interfers with Vit D production.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...result-of.html
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I agree with the other posters that getting sugar out of your diet should be your #1 goal.

Regarding Vitamin D levels, I just came across an interesting blog that therorizes grain consumption interfers with Vit D production.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...result-of.html
It seems to be a popular suggestion, yes. Thank you for the link.

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My IgG reactions take a few hours to start manifesting. Then I feel all the different reactions as the food goes all the way through. Fun, fun. A skin test won't test for this kind of food issue, only the IgE stuff, if even that.
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The anaphylactic reaction is a clue that you are a very sensitive individual. I'm guessing they didn't test for what you are truly IgE allergic to.

Anyway, skin testing won't diagnose food sensitivities. It may not even work all that well for IgE "true allergies" either. You could have sensitivities to one or more foods you are eating every day...any food. My worst offenders in this regard are rice, apple, citrus, and grape. There are a number of others, but these are the ones that cause the joint inflammation problem - for me. I have no problem with dairy or wheat. There are a number of IgG tests that certain (typically alternative) HCP's will do, but every allergist I've ever heard of won't do these tests, they only test for IgE, or "true allergies".
The allergies subforum has lots of info on which IgG tests are more accurate than others.

Too bad you're not near Maryland, or I could "feel out" some foods for you. (Recently I've been able to tell which foods, just by feel, that someone is having a problem with.) Let me know if you ever come out this way.
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The allergy testing you had (IgE) won't find the allergies you are describing. The IgE allergies are "immediate onset allergies" meaning you react right away and are the anaphylactic type. If your symptoms don't start for 2 hours after ingesting the offending ingredient they would be IgG allergies, or "delayed onset allergies." I tested OK on all my IgE allergy tests too. I got IgG testing done and on a scale of 0-5 I was a 5+ on milk, and a 3 on egg and sunflower. I've eliminated milk completely. I can't even tolerate minute amounts in seasonings and such. (I recently reacted badly to what I finally narrowed down to a steak seasoning that has "natural flavors") I got my IgG allergy testing done through my ND. He ordered the kit, had it sent to my house, and I sent my blood in for testing. I only got tested for 30 foods because it was all I could afford at the time. It was $130.
There are so many symptoms and so many things to wrap my head around (when my head isn't exactly on point and ready to absorb information). I could never get a straight, simple, answer out of anyone about the accuracy of the skin testing. Unfortunately, I didn't have insurance when I did the testing and don't have it now. Thank goodness, the allergist had pity on me and only charged me for the office visit. It was going to be a $500-$800 bill and I was only charged about $150 (consult fee).

I'd wondered what I've been eating lately that is new that may be causing the sudden flare in pain again. I started having soups for dinner every night about a month ago when I got more serious about cutting down on calories and increasing fiber. I've been too worn out to make my own so I'm just using canned soups and adding fresh and frozen veggies to them. Not sure what I'd be getting in the soups that I hadn't previously been getting in other prepackaged stuff.

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exercise in the absence of appropriate treatment is not likely to bring relief, I will grant you that. I understand on the sugar, but unfortunately it really is an obstacle to cure. Think of it this way: sugar is feeding the borrelia thus exacerbating lyme. I don't think you'll find any information anywhere to refute that. So as bad as this is, as debilitating as it is, as disruptive as this is, isn't it worth it to go through the minor discomfort of changing your diet? IF it's not, it's not, and that's fine. But, you have stated that money is a significant issue and this is a free solution that at worst will help significantly with the blood sugar swings, and at best can bring significant relief from the pain. Grains are included because they do turn to sugar.

I know it can be hard to eliminate things-so I tell people not to. Instead of eliminating, discover a new way of eating. Find new, inspiring recipes that will facilitate healing. IF you follow a primal style of eating, grains and sugar aren't included. So you can sally forth on an entirely new path. The information is free (it's all online-there is a book and an accompanying recipe book but there's so much for free that you don't need it.) You need to buy food anyway-it's just a different kind of food. It's way cheaper than allergy testing, doesn't require a practitioner of any kind and is very common knowledge for any kind of healing. Sugar is not our friend. The sweets on the brain signify an imbalance. If you have very little in the way of resources that's an easy place to start.

I'd strongly consider it, but that's just me.
My mom just went sugar free aside from what naturally occurs in foods and has been nudging me to do the same. I've heard great things about it, here on MDC and otherwise as well. Are some raw foods out of the question with this sugar free bit? If I had to give up fruit also I'd likely go insane. I'm a compulsive overeater who prefers sugar to any other indulgence. Getting through the eating compulsions and cravings is a big stumbling point for me and always has been. I've even considered OEA!

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Too bad you're not near Maryland, or I could "feel out" some foods for you. (Recently I've been able to tell which foods, just by feel, that someone is having a problem with.) Let me know if you ever come out this way.
Not likely. I've only left the pacific northwest twice and that was just a childhood trip to California and one to Arizona.

No photo readings?

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Not likely. I've only left the pacific northwest twice and that was just a childhood trip to California and one to Arizona.

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No, unfortunately it's not intuitive. It's just being super-sensitive and feeling a physical property of the food, and you holding it, to feel how you react. It requires your physical presence.

I did have a thought, though. Since you say you are so addicted to sugar, I wonder if you are sensitive to sugar, or what it's made from (either beets or cane). Often we are addicted to the very foods that we are sensitive to. This would be in addition to and separate from the issue of the sugar fueling the lyme infection. You might try a short trial of going completely sugar-free (no substitutes either, unless you want to try honey, stevia, or agave). But at this point, I'd be hesitant to add in something new until you figure out your worst offender.

Oh, and finding your offending foods is just to help reduce the pain...treating the lyme is the only way to fix it long-term.

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I have chronic Lyme and have eaten paleo/primal for 3.5 years with great results. I do have flares on grains, dairy, tomatoes, and even too many sweets things like fruits. Meat,eggs,vegs, and fats is good for me. Also, stress is a biggie. I am having a rare flare up the past few days from stress and drastically cutting down my 28 month olds nursing..I think the prolactin was helping my pain the last few years as well. A flare for me is pain in my joints, anxoius thoughts, blah feelng, low energy, can't sleep well, stiffness.

I aslo suggest taking a lot of vitamin D like JaneS said.

I took abx for 6 months without improvement--the diet, addressing nutrient defiencies, and overall wellness stuff has helped the most. I don't do anything specifically for Lyme at this point I just try and keep my immune system strong. I am at a loss of what else to do after all these years.

PanserbjørneWhat I can take for a flare? The pain/stiffness and anxiety bother me the most.

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I took abx for 6 months without improvement--the diet, addressing nutrient defiencies, and overall wellness stuff has helped the most. I don't do anything specifically for Lyme at this point I just try and keep my immune system strong. I am at a loss of what else to do after all these years.

PanserbjørneWhat I can take for a flare? The pain/stiffness and anxiety bother me the most.
I'd start with cell salts. Calc fluor for the stiffness that accompanies lyme and then a blend of the biochemic phosphates for the anxiety/fatigue/pain. They are incredibly effective, quite inexpensive and very easy to use. I've really not known people to NOT get results. It may not cover everything for you, but I can almost guarantee *some* relief.

I also use homeopathy as you know. I find that a remedy that covers the totality not only addresses the symptoms that you have, what the inherent weaknesses that created susceptibility. I used to clinically manage the symptoms and got good results. It was good, but not good enough for someone suffering on a regular basis. So I looked deeper, determined the way the person in question managed stress and used that in conjunction with the presenting symptoms to find a way to support them-sort of meeting them on their own turf if you will. You can't walk into my world and have me manage it. I need to go into yours and play to your strengths.

Beyond that I also have very good success with teasel. I find that results are deeper and longer lasting with the preparations from the blossoms rather than the roots. It does a good job for pain and anxiety.
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Panserbjørne--Thanks so much for taking the time to help! I will look into those things

I actually took a hot shower last night and did some stress relieving things and woke up much better today.

OP-Another thing that helped me when I had lots of pain was a spa. I know they can have chemicals and stuff but it really helped to go in the morning and evening.

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Maybe a sauna would be a chemical free alternative that helps sweat out toxins instead of putting them in? Hot tubs usually have bromides, worse than chlorine for your thyroid.
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Maybe a sauna would be a chemical free alternative that helps sweat out toxins instead of putting them in? Hot tubs usually have bromides, worse than chlorine for your thyroid.
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I've heard good things about infared saunas but I have no idea where you might find one.

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No, unfortunately it's not intuitive. It's just being super-sensitive and feeling a physical property of the food, and you holding it, to feel how you react. It requires your physical presence.

I did have a thought, though. Since you say you are so addicted to sugar, I wonder if you are sensitive to sugar, or what it's made from (either beets or cane). Often we are addicted to the very foods that we are sensitive to. This would be in addition to and separate from the issue of the sugar fueling the lyme infection. You might try a short trial of going completely sugar-free (no substitutes either, unless you want to try honey, stevia, or agave). But at this point, I'd be hesitant to add in something new until you figure out your worst offender.

Oh, and finding your offending foods is just to help reduce the pain...treating the lyme is the only way to fix it long-term.


This is so true. My ND told me that the food I loved the most and couldn't imagine giving up was probably the one I was allergic to. Yep. Milk came back a 5++ on my IgG allergy test. I've been completely dairy free for 2 years.

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I'm now taking about 3000IU per day and do a higher dose about once a week.
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I wish I could offer more...but seems like there are many giving you great, well-informed advice. Haven't read more posts because I'm logging off, but just wanted to say that you should be supplementing much more vitamin D. I was also low (31) and my doc put me on a prescription (D3 not D2) 50,000IU/once a week for 8 weeks, plus the regular 5,000IU/day I had begun taking prior to the blood test. After the 8 weeks I continued the 5,000IU/day but began slacking off. Just had my blood re-tested 4 mths out from original test and I'm only up to 36.

I have resumed supplementing in addition to making sure to get sun every day. On days I get good sun exposure, I supplement 5,000IU. On days that I don't, I supplement between 9,000-10,000IU. It is very hard to overdose. Just make sure it's D3. The rule of thumb is 1,000IU per 25 lbs body weight--but that's just a maintenance dose. If you are low, which you are, you need to supplement more.

Healing vibes for you!

ETA: Just skimmed Jane S.'s post...pretty similar. I also highly recommend the site she posted. Also http://vitamindfoundation.org --out of Canada. Great video worth watching by Dr. Vieth.
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extremely low D and difficulty getting it higher is a common Lyme thing I have just learned. I take 4000 iu daily to keep my level good.

So many of your symptoms sound like me. I just found out I have Lyme and am trying to sort through everything to figure out how to treat it. I have had some amazing help from homeopathy but so far no help with the Lyme symptoms (outside of bells palsy).

I have been following GAPS since November and started feeling much, much worse in Feb. No idea why. I have played with my food a lot taking foods out, putting foods back and no changes, just progressively feeling worse and worse. I have been grain free for about a year and rarely have anything sweet. 1-2 tsp of honey daily in my morning tea is about it. Even fruit is very restricted. Not even daily.

I just wanted you to know you aren't alone in this.

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You mentioned that you have tried OTC stuff for pain relief. I acutally have had two anaphylactic reactions that landed me in the ER and intibated. The first one was caused by Aspirin (later confirmed by the allergist...which I wasn't even aware could happen). THey other time it was caused by shellfish. If you haven't been checked for shellfish, please do, b/c oyster poweder is in many foods and sauces you would never even think to look at! Also, most glucosamine supplemenets are made from shellfish. It's definitely worth a try.

As for the sugar addiction. I too, have horrible reactions to artificial sweeteners. I have learned to love Stevia instead of sugar. Why not give that a try?

Lastly, (and this in no way is judgement, I'm just honestly confused) I get that you don't want to take the medical marijuana, and I have never done it myself and never intend to. However, you said you didn't want to put that toxin in your body. I don't get how that's any different from taking a prescription pain killer? Or any medication for that matter.

I hope you find some relief! Good luck in whatever you decide
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I was once in the hospital and had not had any food, only medication. I had what they thought was an allergic/anaphylactic reaction. I went to have the tests done, to see what I had reacted too, and it was neither medication.

They deemed it was angioedema - very similar symptoms to an anaphylactic reaction. Just something to consider.

Good luck with your pain, my heart goes out to you.

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Sorry for what you're going through. I'm also battling Lyme, so I know what you're going through. I'm seeing an awesome doctor here in eastern Washington. Go to www.dynamichealthcda.com. Hopes this helps.
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I know this thread was for FondestBianca, but thank you everyone, it helped me a lot. I'm in eastern washington too, strangely enough- so thank you Chanceman for info that there is a doctor here, but the link didn't work. I thought the closest LLMDs were in portland and Seattle.

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I wish I could go back through and tag everyone in this thread to respond.

 

FondestBianca was my old account. I've been away from Mothering for a couple years. I started fresh here this week with a new account. I went through some major life changes and the most difficult phase of my life since leaving Mothering. I'm getting back to a good place and things are settling down so I wandering back here. I did a search for "lyme" in the health forums and was surprised to see my thread with recent postings. I'm sorry to those of you who I didn't get back to as I went MIA. Thank you all for contributing and sharing. I need to go back through this again when I'm in the right frame of mind. 

 

I've been quite busy with life in the past year and a half... to say the very least! Biggest rollercoaster ever! I hate to say it but I've mostly ignored my health problems in that time. While some things are always an issue (my biggest problem now being my horrendous sleep issues... no doubt lyme related as well as hormonal problems) I've again stuffed most of it under the rug. I was doing fairly well as far as treating my body well last spring and into summer but since starting to work full time (after being a SAHM for 5+ years) I've been neglecting my body. HOWEVER, the job I ended up landing is very pyhsical. I was concerned... much less has put me on bedrest in the past. It was tough at first and I continue to have my trials. My body isn't what it used to be as far as durability goes. But, darned if I don't say that this job has kicked me into much better shape! It may hurt, I may get injured or have to baby certain things on different occasions but, I've toughened up a lot. I handle the pains of lyme much better now that the routine of my job and activity at work has whipped me back into better condition. Some things have gotten worse, I must admit but overall I'm doing better if at least just because I feel better about myself in general and on my way to a better life for me. 

 

I'm still horribly addicted to sugar, have a terrible sleep schedule, get cranky, get hurt, have anxiety, don't eat all that healthy, and feel pain every single day BUT changing my life path and situation has been a big help with my lyme.

 

Thanks again everyone. :)

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