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I had high testosterone last time I checked too.

So I crystal tested holding the Dr. K book and it was a "yes". Just not sure how I should proceed.
I do plan to reread that one with different eyes now that I have more research under my belt. I think I just learn slow or something.

I emailed his office for the practitioner list and of course there are none in MA. And it also said they require 6 mos to a year appt. commitment and if you don't agree to that, go get another practitioner!
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Very, very interesting. What's the best source of Vitex info you came across? It is an adaptogen type herb right? So not necessarily just for high estrogen? Years ago, my hormones were tested, I was normal estrogen, low progesterone and high testosterone.
I just did a google search - it's actually a herb I already knew about in a fertility sense (just did a bunch of research on that for my SIL). I figured it couldn't hurt to try, and it's clearly impacting my PMS and temps in a positive way. With my son, I research the heck out of stuff, with me, I just try and see what happens.

Yes, it's an adaptogen, particularly good for low progesterone and balancing estrogen & progesterone. I'm not actually sure I'm high estrogen, I could just be oversensitive to estrogen (receptor oversensitivity, vs. high estrogen). It's better to think of it as imbalance, vs. absolute numbers, at least based on what I've read - and vitex helps with the balancing. Guessing it would work with testosterone as well, but I haven't read about it in that context.

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I had high testosterone last time I checked too.

So I crystal tested holding the Dr. K book and it was a "yes". Just not sure how I should proceed.
Um, read the book again Too funny. Do you ask your crystal questions, maybe change the question a little?

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I should probably get my hormones tested again.
What was dominent when you last had them done? Wait you were a high testosterone too right? I wonder what causes that...
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Yes, it's an adaptogen, particularly good for low progesterone and balancing estrogen & progesterone. I'm not actually sure I'm high estrogen, I could just be oversensitive to estrogen (receptor oversensitivity, vs. high estrogen). It's better to think of it as imbalance, vs. absolute numbers, at least based on what I've read - and vitex helps with the balancing. Guessing it would work with testosterone as well, but I haven't read about it in that context.
I think so b/c I remember it was a common herb rec for PCOS women.
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I do plan to reread that one with different eyes now that I have more research under my belt. I think I just learn slow or something.

I emailed his office for the practitioner list and of course there are none in MA. And it also said they require 6 mos to a year appt. commitment and if you don't agree to that, go get another practitioner!
What does that mean? 6 mos to a year? You mean you have to go to them for a year?

I emailed two the practitioners they recommended that do email consults. One struck me as kind of a meathead. I don't think Deb was impressed either. The other one seemed better to me but he's in Simi Valley CA and I can't imagine he'd be expensive. But there was one person on some thread (maybe this one) who tried his protocol and actually felt better, even though she had lyme as well. So I'm kind of willing to try. I'd much rather go see someone who is familiar with it than have to try to train another doctor.

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Um, read the book again Too funny. Do you ask your crystal questions, maybe change the question a little?
Well I'm a very indecisive person and just having a crystal tell me to do it probably won't be sufficient. lol. I'm not adventurous in the health care department. I'd be moreso if DS would just wean.

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I'm supposed to be working but had to post Chris Masterjohn's blog on leptin and thyroid interaction:

http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2010/11/is-insulin-resistance-really-making-us.html

 

I wonder who this clinician is?  I have very high reverse T3.  I don't know how to "clinically fix the leptin resistance" but I think I need to be reading Mastering Leptin

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 you need to read Byron Richards book called Mastering Leptin. Great read and well researched. Leptin resistance is manifest by a super high reverse T3. The total thyroid panel can be in normal range but the patient is still hypothyroid. Leptin reistance also slows conversion of t4 to t3. Interestingly you should clinically fix the leptin resistance and not alter the thyroid panel until the leptin issue is dealt with. I do this with patients everyday but so few docs understand this biochemistry and how to use it clinically

 

 

 

 

 

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I have a high reverse 53 ratio.  When you figure it out, let me know.


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The RT3 Group people say it's adrenal or iron which would certainly fit in my situation

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/whatare1.htm

 

I'm going to have to get that leptin book, not much time to read lately tho!

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OK. I've read most of this thread, and am really a bit confused.

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I have always (For over 10 years) thought I had hypo, but the labs were always withing normal limits. :(

I have so many symptoms, and now after reading here, there are so many more....

(I'll go into all the symptoms if anyone would like...)

Where do I start?

I'm also worried about my children. That they may possibly have taken this on through me.

My grandmother was hypo, and was on synthroid as long as my mom can remember back, and my mom is in her 70's. So, I think I'm hitting on something here.

I bought some iodoral, but was unsure about taking it...so it sits there on my shelf. I'm also having secondary infertility and am getting older, so I'd really like to start fixing this now. I've come to the conclusion that it will be me fixing me, not a doctor, because they don't believe me. So...someone please offer some guidance.

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Anyone else see this post?
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=1272
My labs are similar, I know I'm low iron, I do better supping copper with my zinc and I easily get symptoms of riboflavin deficiency. I think I might need to read more of this blog and find that book!

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I've been feeling hypothyroid again, so I asked for the doc to test my thyroid.  Test results for TSH came bak at 0.73.  She said it's normal, so everything is fine. Argh!

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I have a mystery like that too Babygrant. My TSH isn't even as low as yours! I started supplementing a B-vitamin complex and iron(bisglycinate amino acid chelate if you need to take iron) Now after reading the last link, I think I may start supping a zinc/copper chelate.

 My next doctors appointment will include a cortisol test. 


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Jumping in here -

 

I have read a good part of this thread, but it's a bit long so if this has been covered already, my apologies, just link to the relevant post!

 

After years of no doc taking me seriously, I have found an alternative MD who specializes in thyroid and adrenal issues. I have been diagnosed subclinical hypothryroid and have been on Armour for about 6 weeks now. Also have low cortisol and DHEA levels. Doc wanted me to start on DHEA supplements and Cortisol. I initally didn't want to, and agreed to take isocort instead. I then discoeverd I was pregnant and didn't take anything but the armour. This doc says that a pregnant woman can take both cortisol and dhea in pregnancy as long as levels are monitored closely. He even showed me some medical literature to support this but i just didnt feel comfortable so declined.

 

I ended up miscarrying at 7 weeks, so now I have just begun on both the cortisol and the DHEA. My last blood tests showed even worse numbers for both so I felt I needed to do something. I had known about the sluggish adrenals for a while and have taken supplements for it for the last year, but they were not helping.

 

My question is has anybody here had experience with cortisol or dhea supplementation? if so what were your experiences.

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A mucin update smile.gif

I was thinking my thyroid symptoms were likely either vitamin A deficiency (it's a cofactor for thyroid hormone to do its protein synthesis thing) or dysbiosis causing resistance (or weird hormone changes with lactation). About a month ago, I got the stomach flu and didn't eat for two days. To try and treat it and recover, I started supping myself with vitamin A for the first time (before, it was self-limiting quantities of liver), 50,000iu/day for a couple weeks and 25,000iu after that. As soon as my appetite was back, I felt AMAZING. This is before the A had a chance to do anything, its like I had a total gut reset. Anyway, now, a month later, I'm noticing a significant decrease in mucin. I can pinch my arms better, my face looks thinner (in a good way), and my thighs/butt are slimming down for pretty much the first time since dd was born, save when I was pg with ds. As always, there are too many variables to say for sure, but it sure sounds to me like vit A should get the credit.

Also interesting to note is dd is slimming down a ton as well (she is/was one of those super chub babies, 27lbs at 6mo, 44lbs at not quite 4yo). Now, she lost a bunch of weight when she had the same bug (hers lasted a lot longer greensad.gif) but her whole body type is changing since then AND the super lax ligaments in her ankles appear to have tightened up significantly, in the span of just a week or two. I'm definitely crediting the A (just through me) for that one.

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omg - that brain fog thing? did I really just hit clear instead of submit? duh.gif

 

and I was so articulate, too. long story short, then:

 

Typical hypo symptoms with the exception of weight gain (though before going gf I was gaining weight, and I have been starving at intervals since then, so who knows?), family history of thyroid problems - ggma with a goiter, gma with thyroid troubles, mom with normal TSH but needs armour to function. I also have endometriosis and suspect celiac (some sort of gluten intolerance to be sure, but the prevalance of autoimmune problems in my family and the number of gf family members I have make me think celiac). About two months ago my health tanked, utterly exhausted, cycles went all wacky, so I went in and got my thyroid and a few other things checked.

 

Lab results (should I say useless lab results? not sure what to make of it all yet):

TSH 1.63 (Dr K book gives 1.8 - 3 range)

Free T3 2.97 (Dr K 3-4.5)

Free T4 1.3 (Dr K 1 - 1.5)

 

If I follow the Dr K book right, these fit the pattern for either Low Pituitary Function or Underconvsion. This is maybe due to adrenal problems, or long-term inflammation from the endo and gluten? Maybe?

 

The other thing - I came back with low cholesterol. LDL 64 and Total Cholesterol 128. Now, poking about through the archives here I came across a thread about cholesterol and adrenal fatigue and I think some names I recognized from this thread posted there, and it sounded like y`all were thinking that raising cholesterol would help with the adrenal problems, and in turn with thyroid and hormonal imbalances. My question is ... did it?

 

I am utterly overwhelmed by the volume of supplements in the Dr K book and have no idea where to begin, and don`t know whether I am on the right track with this adrenal/thyroid thing at all ... any suggestions, any help, any thoughts of any kind would be enormously appreciated!!

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Just got through this entire thread.

 

My symptoms/issues: Almost 20 years ago I came down with exercise intolerance. I was training in fitness and was a competitive martial artist before the issues began. I would get a sore/bleeding throat and become bed ridden/on abx. Over time I could exercise less and less before coming down with infection. Eventually I went through a stage of needing help to walk to the local store. So ill, thought I was dying. Saw an herbal doctor and she got me back on my feet. Her diagnosis was candida from head to toe. I have had diagnosis since then of CFS (mainstream doctor) and FM by a rheumatologist. I have had alopecia on and off.

 

Over the years I can't do anything without pain or some kind of muscular fatigue/pain. At time, things like grating a carrot or washing my hair mean that I can't use my hands at all by the end of the day.

 

Now that I am thinking about it, I had issues before puberty. I was long distant running for my school and I would get sore throats afterwards......mmmmm! Always had the loudest cracking in my ankles too!

 

I have crazy mucin on my upper arms and outer thighs and I have thinning outer eyebrows. I'm pretty skinny but with a large belly. I don't sleep well, I'm always too cold.

 

When I got pg with DS I went from 56 kg to 81 kg in the last trimester. My pelvic bones came apart to the point that I needed a wheelchair to go shopping and props to walk around the house during the last 6 weeks before the birth. DS was 14 days 'over due'. I found MDC due to DS having food sensitivity issues. He's currently 9 mo and always has cold hands and feet. I'm obviously concerned for him.

 

My hypoT symptoms are out of control since the birth. Without going into it all in this post, I very much think I am your adrenal fatigue poster girl.

 

A few months back I had yet another normal TSH result, I think 2.12.

 

I just ordered the Dr K and Starr books...the STTM book arrived yesterday...

 

Another clue to my issue was a visit to a kinesiologist for my DS. He tested me whilst I was there and told me that I have pituitary issues which are affecting my thyroid (hypoT). This was random and unexpected and the very first person to agree with my suspicion.

 

BTW, I've been gluten and dairy free for around 5 months now. It cured my anemia which has been with me my whole life and no amount of supping iron could cure it. I don't know what my levels are now but my last test was taken not long after going GF. DS is also GFDF. As a kid I had all of the celiac symptoms too. I would be crippled with stomach pain after eating bread but food intolerance was never suspected or mentioned (a whole 'nother story!).

 

I am subbing with the hopes that I can get some great advice on how to get better and how to help my DS should he have similar issues too.

 

Thanks so much and thank you JaneS for your great thread!

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