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Are there alternative treatments to antibiotics for a bull's eye rash?

Does anyone have experience with the antibiotics?

My not quite 2 dd seems to have two small bull's eye rashes.  I don't want to mess around and have her develop lyme's disease but I also like to explore alternatives to antibiotics.

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My son was bitten by a tick when he was 2. He had an atypical rash (it lasted only 24 hours and was not a perfect bullseye) but I knew.  It took me a year to convince the dr. to test him for lyme disease and when they finally did it was positive of course.  

I opted for the antibiotics as he was and had been having symptoms for quite some time at that point.  He had joint pain and was fatigued much easier than he should have been at that age.  And while he wasn't a big talker I knew that he wasn't right for a while with regard to the pain.  We did 21 days of antibiotics during which I gave him a probiotic made for kids every day and also a homeopathic lyme remedy, and I can't remember what was in it now.  I can find out though.

 

Did you do a blood test? 


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teasel, I think it's ledum, there are herbal remedies that are by Byron White that are targeted for the different lymes (bartonella, etc.). Personally, I'd get on abx for at least 6 weeks (it has to include an entire lifecycle of the tick - 3 weeks is not enough, in my opinion). Two of my kids and I have chronic lyme. It is NOT fun. In this case, I think abx are the way to go.


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Are there alternative treatments to antibiotics for a bull's eye rash?

Does anyone have experience with the antibiotics?

My not quite 2 dd seems to have two small bull's eye rashes.  I don't want to mess around and have her develop lyme's disease but I also like to explore alternatives to antibiotics.

tia!

did you see a tick? 

 

you're not treating a rash, a rash is a symptoms of an infection in that case.  as in, if you see a rash it's rather likely she has lyme.  abx are your friend.
 

 

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Thanks for the replies.  I am thinking that when they have the bull's eye rash you treat them with abx so they don't develop full blown Lyme's disease?  I understand that it is a symptom of Lyme exposure? infection?

I am mostly covering my bases because I know I will get questioned on abx use but it seems they are needed in this case.

I did not see a tick.  I feel like i should have noticed it in so obvious a spot and on someone so small.  We don't check regularly which I know is foolish as my kids are out in the woods.  We will definitely be more careful.

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having a bulls eye rash says the person is infected with Lyme.  What you're trying to avoid is chronic lyme, which is much harder to treat. The tick that carries it most often is the deer tick which is as small as the head of a pin. It's easy to miss because it looks like a freckle a lot of the time.


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having a bulls eye rash says the person is infected with Lyme.  What you're trying to avoid is chronic lyme, which is much harder to treat. The tick that carries it most often is the deer tick which is as small as the head of a pin. It's easy to miss because it looks like a freckle a lot of the time.


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My son was bitten when he was 2 and had a bulls eye rash.  Our ped at the time was very much not an alarmist over almost anything, but when I brought him in and she saw the rash on his forearm, she immediately wrote a prescription for 6 weeks of antibiotics.  She was definitely freaked out a bit, and that totally freaked me out.  I have never been so happy for western medicine as when I would give him his antibiotic three times a day for those 6 weeks.  I did have her prescribe a probiotic for him too, so my insurance covered it, and he took it for the entire time as well.  Luckily we caught it and he is a happy, healthy 4 year old with no lasting symptoms. 


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you're not treating a rash, a rash is a symptoms of an infection in that case.  as in, if you see a rash it's rather likely she has lyme.  abx are your friend

 

 


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having a bulls eye rash says the person is infected with Lyme.  What you're trying to avoid is chronic lyme, which is much harder to treat. The tick that carries it most often is the deer tick which is as small as the head of a pin. It's easy to miss because it looks like a freckle a lot of the time.



The rash is the initial sign of an active Lyme infection.    If treated promptly, this active infection is far, far less likely to become a chronic, difficult-to-eradicate illness.  

 

My son had acute Lyme in the Fall of 2009.   He skipped the rash completely and went straight to serious neurological symptoms, and we are very, very fortunate that his primary doctor had read up on pediatric Lyme and we got prompt treatment.     The doctor he referred us to (an infectious disease specialist) was even more well-read, and doing research on Lyme himself.    He said that he believes that some of what is called chronic Lyme is actually the results of permanent nerve damage done by acute Lyme infections.   In other words: when the Lyme first hits the body, it attacks nerves and tissues.   Some of the damage it does at that point is permanent.  The sooner you treat that acute phase, the less permanent damage you are likely to have.  

 

(this is separate from the issue of some spirochetes remaining after treatment.   Whether or not that is the case, the fact is that damage it does to your nervous system can be permanent.  Nerves regenerate slowly if they do so at all). 

 

My son's serious neurological symptoms began to improve within hours of his first dose of antibiotics, and at his last followup appointment the doctor could see none of the original symptoms.   But thanks to quick reactions on the part of our primary doctors, he was treated very quickly.   The neurologist we were referred to said he'd just had a patient for whom the partial paralysis of Lyme had become permanent.  :(


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that's intense!  I know many people who are struggling or have struggled with the effects of Lyme.  We are taking it seriously with my dd.  She is on 3 weeks of antibiotics.

Her dr. said the next symptom could very well be neurological damage or even heart damage.  thank goodness she did have the rash!

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3 weeks is not enough to hit one full life cycle of the spirochetes (life cycle is 4 weeks).


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Yes, 28 days minimum is pretty standard around here for people that work with Lyme.
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that's intense!  I know many people who are struggling or have struggled with the effects of Lyme.  We are taking it seriously with my dd.  She is on 3 weeks of antibiotics.

Her dr. said the next symptom could very well be neurological damage or even heart damage.  thank goodness she did have the rash!



Yep -- -The nurse who prepped my son for his PICC line placement (He had IV antibiotics because of the severity of his case) said that she ended up being life-flighted out of town two years ago and had to have heart valve replacement surgery and stenting to save her life when she got cardiac Lyme.   Yowza.


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Wow!  It's so scary!

I don't know what to say about the 3 weeks of abx.  I don't know why her dr. wouldn't prescribe the right amount and I can't find anything online about needing to do it for 4 weeks (besides here ofcourse:))

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