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#1 of 17 Old 07-02-2004, 12:07 AM - Thread Starter
 
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I took DD, 15 mo., to the family dr. today (friendly holistic guy) b/c she has developed this pink bulging bump on her perineum/anal opening. I was concerned it was a hemmeroid, except I had never heard of babies getting those, so in we went.

he looked at it closely, and suggested that it might be a wart. he had one other little girl with something similar, and when he talked to a pediatric dermatologist at children's hospital (because he was concerned about sexual abuse with that patient presenting that symptom) they said babies can transmit the wart virus from their hands to their bottoms through normal touching.

it hit me later, that if this is a wart, then she has gential HPV now, and for the rest of her life. I am really worrying about this.

dr. gave me instructions to order a homeopathic, cinnabaris 30C, and if that doesn't clear it up by the end of 14 days, then we go see a pediatric dermatologist.

has anyone else been through this? what did you do? alternative treatments?

I tested positive for HPV in a pap smear a year before I concieved her, then had a colposcopy which showed no HPV, just some cell changes cause by irritation to the cervix. had another pap about 6 weeks pp, was normal. but I read that transmission can occur via birth and infected vaginal canal. also, if I DO carry HPV, then it comes from her father, so I suppose he could have transmitted it by not washing his hands before a diaper change.

I'm sort of freaking out about this.

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HPV is present in 80% of sexually active people. If it is HPV, it is the same strain of the virus as you have. If you continue to have normal paps, then the likelihood of your daughter having any problems from the HPV is very rare. It's not a harmless disease, but very few strands cause cervical cancer. It is very easy to transmit, also. I don't want you to beat yourself up in the case that it's HPV. It's sad and I know you feel bad, but it is unlikely to cause problems, aside from stigma, and there was nothing you could really have done to prevent it.

I have never been diagnosed with HPV, but I kind of assume I have it considering the rates and the fact that condoms are no real protection against it. I am always very scared to transmit it to dd. I have some idea where you're coming from and I'd feel freaked out too.
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thanks for the commiseration. I know now about the high rates of HPV among sexually active adults. I don't think most sexually active people are very aware of it, or perhaps it's becoming more commonly known now. but in all my research about safe(r) sex as a young person becoming sexually involved, I sure never saw much about HPV. (and at 23, I suppose I still qualify as a young person).

though I do worry about cervical cancer, I also worry about the actual warts. that's a heavy burden to bear, and I desperately do not want her to bear it, not of her own choice.

unfortunately, this is a holiday weekend, and the homeopathic first line treatment is not available locally, so I am ordering it. this means it will be another week before I even begin that treatment. I am now trying to decide whether I should just take her to children's hospital dermatology and get it checked out, because if it is not HPV, then we can think about what to do next.

I also need to schedule a pap for myself, since it's been a year and some.

I think this is such an emotional issue for me b/c I am no longer with DD's dad, we are divorcing. there are already alot of emotional issues of betrayal and irresponsible behavior. he is 30, has had many partners in his lifetime, and if I recieved the virus from anyone, it was very very likely from him. he had some unusual skin lesions which I intuitively thought could be HPV, and which he would never consent to getting looked at. anyways, he could have inadvertantly passed it to her during a diaper change, and that makes me even more upset about it.

guess I just need to relax and focus on how great and amazing she is, and let go of this until I can do something about it.

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So sorry you are going thru this mama s

If I were you......I would go see a pediatric dermatologist, get a culture, find out for absolute postive what you are dealing with before going further. Its possible it might not be what you think. That way, you have the information and can figure out how to go forward with alternative therapies or traditional therapies.

Good luck, and keep us posted!
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Is it right on the "rim" of the anus? Hate to be graphic- my DD had what I thought was a hemrroid. It looked like an extra flap of skin. I took her to the PED who said it was completely normal- sometimes kids will get it from getting constipated and it will go away in a few years. It is still mildly present at 3 but it is going away.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. I would go to pediatric dermatologist, get it checked out and see. Don't get to worried and stressed until you know exactly what is going on
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I wanted to add the warts don't cause lesions. Lesions are usually caused by herpes. People in porn industry, and those who use crank (methamphetamine) also fet what they call "fu**sores" which look like herpes lesions but are blisters from too much friction. DP had what looked like a lesion once, but I actually witnessed him zip himself (Those who know my DP IRL, please don't mention this!! :
Here is some info on warts:
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdhpv.htm
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How are genital warts spread?
Genital warts are very contagious and are spread during oral, genital, or anal sex with an infected partner. About two-thirds of people who have sexual contact with a partner with genital warts will develop warts, usually within three months of contact.
In women, the warts occur on the outside and inside of the vagina, on the opening (cervix) to the womb (uterus), or around the anus. In men, genital warts are less common. If present, they usually are seen on the tip of the penis. They also may be found on the shaft of the penis, on the scrotum, or around the anus. Rarely, genital warts also can develop in the mouth or throat of a person who has had oral sex with an infected person.

Genital warts often occur in clusters and can be very tiny or can spread into large masses in the genital or anal area.
I don't think I can link to an image where you can see an actual picture of a genital wart to compare. Do a google image search of "genital warts" and you will see a whole bunch of pictures. Flip through them. My guess is that it is a skin tag. The pictures really help. Every time I get an ingrown pubic hair I do an image search of evvery STD I can think of
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i second going to the dermatologist to get a dx and be 100% sure of what you are dealing with. then you can treat it holistically and see if that helps.

my daughter had a regular wart on her shoulder when she was young. we gave her thuja (i think 30c) and it dried up and fell off. not sure if that would be the same treatment for you, but just saying the homeopathy worked great and it never came back. good luck!
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I don't mean to hijack this post...but I have some questions.
My dh and I are dealing with an issue very close to this, so any info would be SOOOOOO appreciated.

I'm preg. with or 2nd now. We have a ds who's 2. He was born vaginally.
Before I became prego with ds #1, I had an abnormal pap, colposcopy, which ended up being ok. My gyno at the time just told us that we had HPV, no test, no warts, no nothing. Well, the month before I got prego this time, I had an abnormal pap. But because I'm prego, nothing further was done.
Now my dh and I are worried sick that I may have passed this Da**ed virus on to our ds. And, I'm just wondering if I should subject myself to a c-section to try and avoid it for the next baby??? (I've cried myself to sleep on the thought of this...)
But then on the above posts, I'm reading about transmitting it via diaper changes...
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Zanelee - a cesarean because of one abnormal pap?!?!!! That's really extreme, don't you think? FWIW, my doc won't do paps during pregnancy or for six months after delivery because of the very high incidence of false abnormal results. As veganmama said, 80% of all adults carries this virus (my guess is that it's even higher than that, since many wouldn't ever know it to report it). Do you think 80% of all pregnant women should choose surgical birth? That's insane! The risks of cesarean vastly outweigh the risks you might transmit HPV to your baby.


now, back on topic.... My three-year-old also has what looks like a skin tag on her anus. I always assumed it was a hemorroid, and figured taking her to the doctor about it would be more traumatic than leaving it there. I am finding this entire discussion very interesting. My DH has had genital warts, but I have never had one myself though I might still harbor the virus.
After reading this thread, I'm not sure it isn't just some benign skin tag rather than a hemorroid or a wart. When DH gets those warts, they keep getting bigger until he starts medicating them away.
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If they didn't see a wart, they can't diagnose HPV. That is ridiculous. There are plenty of reasons for abnormal pap besides HPV. Get a new practitioner. I'm apalled. That makes me angry they would subject you to such fear you would consider elective cesarean without even explaining to you why they think you have it!!
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Do you think 80% of all pregnant women should choose surgical birth? That's insane! The risks of cesarean vastly outweigh the risks you might transmit HPV to your baby.
Stafl-I don't think all these pregnant women should submit themselves to a surgical birth. I only am worried about my transmitting it to my child. I certainly understand the risks of cesarian birth, but I am not so sure that they outweigh passing on a virus that potentially could cause cancer during her life. That's why I have so many questions. We're trying to weigh all the options...and then make the best decision for our baby.

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If they didn't see a wart, they can't diagnose HPV. That is ridiculous. There are plenty of reasons for abnormal pap besides HPV. Get a new practitioner. I'm apalled. That makes me angry they would subject you to such fear you would consider elective cesarean without even explaining to you why they think you have it!!
Veganmamma-The gyno that said my dh and I have HPV is no longer practicing in this area...my new gyno has never said yes or no about hpv. I did have an abnormal pap the month before I got pregnant, but they didn't seem worried about it. And obviously we can't do anything about it until sometime after the birth.

Again-my appologies to birthinglau...I really didn't mean to hijack your post, it just hit so close to home...
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Very few strains of HPV actually cause cancer. I would have a serious talk with your practitioner about this. HPV isn't a recommended reason for elective cesarean, although active herpes lesions is for some practitioners.
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firstly, zanelee, I don't feel hijaked. I'm glad you are finding this helpful, and I am sorry you are even having to think about this. I concur that one abnormal pap is no reason to schedule a C-sec. I was not able to get an actual statistic on maternal-fetal transmission of HPV, but I would imagine that the percentage is small. if you are still worried about it, I guess I would say avoid alot of vaginal exams in labor, and don't allow anyone to rupture your membranes. FYI I too recieved an HPV diagnosis from an abnormal pap. Turned out that that IS common to get that diagnosis, but actually what they are saying is not that you have HPV, but that the type of cell changes are indicative of HPV. that's why you had to have a colposcopy to biopsy the spot. do you have the results of that? in my case, it was determined that the spot was just some chronicly irritated cells (candida? rough sex? who knows) but now that all this is going on, I wonder if I am an asymptomatic carrier.

secondly, veganmama/lauren, you are correct, a wart is not a lesion. I should remember that I need to proofread when I post late at night. I have done alot of online researching about this, and was able to find some pediatrics photographs on the website for the american dermatological association. those cases looked scary, but even so, I am not able to tell if what I am seeing on DD is similar. so, since today is still a holiday, I have not yet made an appointment for the dermatologist, but I know that is my next step. my main interest is in finding out how other mothers deal with this question/situation.

will keep y'all posted on everything, and whether the homeopathic works. If anyone has more suggestions, I'm open to herbs, etc also. and if it is HPV, I will also be doing my best to think about us being healthy, and healed, as a dyad, which I think goes a long way in how our bodies deal with illness and disease.

-Lau
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(((((Lau)))))

Just been thinking of you a lot today, glad you posted.
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just an update - homeopathic came in the mail finally, I will start her on it today (I hope I remember to give it to her 3X day). made an appointment with dermatology dept. of children's hospital, BUT they can't see her until mid october. which doesn't really help much to ease my fears, but I went ahead and made it anyway, because if it doesn't go away, and we can't figure out what it is, then we'd still need to go. it seems a little less swollen, maybe less uncomfortable too. she doesn't have constipation issues, and it's right at the area between the perineum and the anal opening itself, which I guess rules out Rainbow's suggestion, unfortunately.

thanks for the support and suggestions,
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Since your appt is not till October.......I would take pics so you can show them when you go in..........
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