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i read in wise woman herbal, that catnip and chammomile can help to releive stomache upsets. i got the dried herbs, used half and half of each in a round tea ball, and steeped them for a half hour, i then drank them usually right before nursing..could that be to much?
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To much for you or to much for the baby????
I give my toddler catnip tincture(Herbs for Kids brand) sometimes to help her calm down----every now & then it seems to rev her up though---I took some myself & it relaxed me.
We drink chamomile tea a couple times/week.

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Sorry ~ somehow I posted twice and the second one is right!!






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Newmama ~ I am by far no expert, but most of what i have read regarding the use of herbs through breastmilk for little ones says that only the right dose will enter your milk (does that make sense???) They say take an adult dose (most say that is a cup of tea) and the babe will get what he/she needs from you milk from there.

Jazmommie, we have something similar (called Tranquil Tot, has chamomile, catnip and lemonbalm in it) that we give to Isaiah (21 months), he has always been a restless kid. The other night I gave him some and for whatever reason it made him bounce off the walls (usually will put him right out)????? Funny huh???








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Newmama ~ I am by far no expert, but most of what i have read regarding the use of herbs through breastmilk for little ones says that only the right dose will enter your milk (does that make sense???) They say take an adult dose (most say that is a cup of tea) and the babe will get what he/she needs from you milk from there.
Uh, NO. This is wrong. You can very definitely OD you or your baby. Your baby will get a diluted dose, but the amount that passes through will vary dependent on a lot of factors, including the drug (herbs are medicines), and your personal chemistry. If our bodies had this magical ability to filter out and only give exactly the right dose, then wouldn't a lot more pharmaceutical meds be safe to take during nursing? Chemicals are chemicals. Everything has chemicals -- herbs, pharmaceutical meds, homeopathic meds, your organic, homegrown salad, your eyelaches, everything has chemicals. We are made up of chemicals. Digestion is a bio-CHEMICAL reaction.

Herbs are medicines. Herbs are medicines. Herbs are medicines.
Just because something is natural, doesn't mean it's safe.


Thats my little soapbox. Please be careful, and please, please, please consult with a naturopath. Your regular doc may just advise you to not take anything herbal, as they don't have any training on herbals, and they don't want to tell you it's okay to take something when it's really not. Consult with someone who has had some real training on this.

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CorasMama ~ As I said, I am no expert, just know what worked for my son and myself. I think it is good of you to remind newmama that herbs are medicines and suggest for her to consult with a natruopath, however, I don't think it is correct to equate herbs with prescription or over the counter medications ~ yes some herbs are medicines and are made up of chemicals, naturally occurring chemicals ~they are not the same as toxic chemical drugs IMO. I also think it is OK to treat some common ailments of childhood yourself without seeing a doctor (or even a naturopath ~ We tried to go the route of a naturopath but they are very exprensive (at least the ones we went to in our area) and are not covered by our insurance ~ So we chose to educate ourselvs on herbs, homeopathy etc for common illnesses and see our family doc if/when necessary). I also believe it is important though to educate yourself and trust your instincts as to when you need a doc vs when you can treat something yourself with herbs, homeopathy or other means.

I would also just like to defend myself a bit here in that I didn't say if she sat and drank chamomile and catnip tea ALL DAY and nursed her baby that the baby wouldn't get a bit too much of the herb, INSTEAD what I did say (and you actually quoted) was "take an adult dose (most say that is a cup of tea) and the babe will get what he/she needs from your milk from there", which I have read many times ( just and example :Smart Medicine for a Healthier Child by Janet Zand LAc, OMD; Rachel Walton, RN and Bob Roundtree, MD states: "A nursing mother may also take an adult dose of the appropriate herbal treatment. The herbs will be transmitted to her baby through her breast milk, filtered and diluted to the appropriate strength.") and really believe is true after using herbs in this exact way many times for my son when he was very young (and they helped tremendously for colic, restlessness, etc). Maybe I was a bit misleading in saying that "only the right does will enter your milk" as I wasn't implying that our bodies are that smart as to filter out everything except what the baby needs. If this was true (and it would be wonderful if it were) there wouldn't be harmful chemicals absorbed by our bodies from food, air, etc that would enter our breastmilk. I was simply trying to reassure her that it is very difficult to OD on herbs especially if you take the correct dose and again educate yourself on what that doseage is (By the way, Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year is a great book and we used some of her remedies for Isaiah when he had really bad colic, for diaper rash and thrush) BUT this is a difficult medium to get your point across exactly right, and I felt that it was clarified by my last statement as it is quoted above (again, difficult medium so maybe that point was a little blurred too).
Anyway ~ I appreciate your questioning my statement because if you had these concerns/questions I'm sure others did also BUT I just wanted to clarify these points as I really believe in the power of healing herbs and natural medicines as our best treatment for our families unless traditional health care is truely warrented. I also believe in a parent's ability to treat most minor ailments at home, most of our grandmothers didn't run to the pediatrician at the first sign of a problem, they tried to help with their traditional knowledge first. It is good that the medical doctors are around when we need them, but we don't need them all of the time.




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