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#421 of 626 Old 11-05-2007, 09:33 AM
 
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My 18 month old daughter has never been tested. I asked the nurse practitioner about it and she said they don't do a routine test. However, I got them to issue me a lab slip for a blood draw. I was wondering though, should I do the hair test instead?? Are they better? Or should I do the blood and have them do an iron panel while they are pulling blood since she was anemic at her 1 year apt?

We had the heel stick done first (I think they can do a finger prick too) but when I asked for a blood draw the ped also ordered a CBC (Complete blood count) to check for anemia. (My DD's iron level was fine at 12 mos.) Unfortunately, having the blood drawn was a nightmare and we couldn't get a sample, so we're doing the hair test and maybe repeating the heel stick depending on the results. If I had it to do over again, I would have gotten some of the numbing gel to prevent the traumatic experience from the blood draw attempts. Now I think even if we numbed her it is the whole experience that would freak her out because she knows what's coming.

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I've been trying to read through this thread, but decided to skip to the end because I never seem to make it through before ds needs me.

Just a quick response about lower lead levels (forgive me if this was addressed earlier). There are effects at lead levels less than 10 (the "safe" level). Recent research has shown an IQ drop of 5 points by a lead level of 4 in children. This is the largest interval drop, after that it is about 2 points of IQ drop per 10 points of lead increase I think. Also, a level of 5 in a pregnant woman going into the third trimester can affect the fetus. If you want the links, let me know; I'll have to search for them again.

I don't mean to minimize the tragedy of having a very high level or say that a low level of lead is just as bad, but I do feel like Departments of Health have been arbitrarily using a level of 10 and thus encouraging pediatricians to ignore the issue of lead exposure in a large number of children.

I'll post about our story and questions later.
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My son had a lead level of 8 at 9 months. He and I then moved out of the house while major work was done and then we had the house professionally cleaned of lead. We were separated from dp for 3 months, which was devastating for our family, but necessary nonetheless. His level dropped to undetectable within 3 mos. We did not give Fe supplements, but did increase iron and calcium in his food and avoided fried foods and in general fed him a very healthy, whole foods diet. His level at 2 1/2 is now 4.

Our holistic pediatrician wants to try chelating with DMSA, but I'm worried about side effects, especially since his level is not that high. Our chiropractor is suggesting Heavy Metal Detox (an herbal formula) and Cellular Defense instead. Does anyone have experience with these remedies. We would do urine testing during the treatment to determine effectiveness, etc.

Thanks. And I'll keep making my way through the thread to see if anyone has mentioned these or other remedies before.

Much love to all of you. Dealing with lead has brought me to new levels of fear and compulsivity, it really can make you crazy!
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Much love to all of you. Dealing with lead has brought me to new levels of fear and compulsivity, it really can make you crazy!
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This is so true. It does absolutely make you crazy.

Stacey teaching teens to read & write... Daddy plays ska, DD1 (7/05) loves trees & princesses, & DD2 (3/10) loves mommy-milk! Please get your kids tested for lead.
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I x-posted this but wanted to see what you mommas think:

I am dumbfounded and don't know where to begin. I had my 16 MO daughter's hair test done by DDI because she had a heel stick lead test result of 9. I read the Lead Thread and joined the Autism-Mercury Yahoo group to get the discount on the hair test. I almost wish I hadn't.

I just got the results of her hair elements test and the lead & mercury I was worried about appear to be OK (3.9 and .29, respectively). However, her Aluminum, Antimony, Arsenic, Cadmium, Silver, Tin and Titanium are in the yellow range. (Lead is also in yellow, but the 3.9 is way lower than the 9-10 that I thought is the threashold for concern.) Moreover, her Total Toxic Representation is OFF THE CHARTS!

Also, her Potassium is very very high (380), Sodium, Boron, Iodine, Rubidium & Zirconium are in the high yellow range. She is also extremely low in Zinc (36) & Lithium (.004). Manganese, Selenium, Cobalt and Germanium are in the low yellow range.

I have a good ped but hair tests aren't "standard" so I don't think she will help interpret or know a thing about chelation. I have a homeopath/oriental practitioner but I'm not sure she is all that knowledgeable on metals. (She did "tap out" the lead with kinesiology, maybe that helped bring her down from 9 to 3.9?)

I also know of a DAN! dr in the area, but I don't know if I should go through the whole process of obtaining medical records to switch if I'm not sure I want to switch. I'm also a little scared of what he might recommend for her. I see on his website he does IV chelation and chelation challenges, which I thought the Autism-Mercury group frowned on.

Her symptoms are really mild, but have led me on this quest nonetheless. The main thing is chronic constipation, coupled with sleep disturbances and some hyperactivity. She has a little bit of cradle cap and bumpy skin, sometimes slightly dark circles under her eyes, but nothing major you could see from looking at her (she's beautiful, really)... I would feel bad posting to the Autism-Mercury group since their problems seem so much more pressing than mine.

What should I do?? Thanks in advance for any ideas.

ETA: BTW, I currently give her Vit C, probiotic, magnesium and fish oil every 1-2 days. I am going to start supplementing with zinc, and I've read that should help balance out the cadmium. I'm also going to get rid of the aluminum pans & foil in the house. I already don't wear anti-perspirant. Any other ideas where these things might be coming from??

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I think you need someone to interpret the results. My understanding is that hair tests indicate what is being excreted, not the total body burden. She's probably using all the zinc to make metallothionen and get the lead out of her body! As for the antimony etc., it is a toxic world. They put that crap in the fire retardants they put on kids pjs! I don't think that chelation is advised for pre-verbal children. Your child needs to be able to report symptoms to you, like headaches and stomach aches- both side effects of chelation. I think that the cellular defense, and other such things, can be really harsh (kids vomiting and being miserable). Make sure her calcium and iron intakes are high, so that she doesn't re-absorb stuff she's trying to detox. Have you looked into yeast issues or gluten intolerance? They are common among autistic kids, and though the etiology of their issues and ours are not the same, many of the symptoms are similar. Yeast can cause cradle cap and bumpy skin (also a sign of needing vitamin a or efas), and gluten or other food sensitivities the other symptoms. Momster we would love those links. . .
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I have a question.....
My naturopath said the hair test was good for my DD but for me she wanted to run a urine test, have me take a little chealator to stimulate anything, then retest. But I would have to wait on mine till I'm done nursing.
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Could you do a urine test now to get a baseline? I have read that chelation "challenge" tests are very controversial. I would definitely wait on that till I did more research.

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Just a quick response about lower lead levels (forgive me if this was addressed earlier). There are effects at lead levels less than 10 (the "safe" level). Recent research has shown an IQ drop of 5 points by a lead level of 4 in children. This is the largest interval drop, after that it is about 2 points of IQ drop per 10 points of lead increase I think.
A link would be great (I bolded what I'm especially curious about). I haven't read anything that specific and conclusive, although I agree with your overall point that research shows significant harm occurs under the official safety level of 10.

This is the relevant study I'm aware of:

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Environ Health Perspect. 2006 Feb;114(2):A85-6; author reply A86-7.

Low-level environmental lead exposure and children's intellectual function: an international pooled analysis.
Lanphear BP, Hornung R, Khoury J, Yolton K, Baghurst P, Bellinger DC, Canfield RL, Dietrich KN, Bornschein R, Greene T, Rothenberg SJ, Needleman HL, Schnaas L, Wasserman G, Graziano J, Roberts R.

Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, Cincinnati, Ohio 45229-3039, USA. bruce.lamphear@cchmc.org

Lead is a confirmed neurotoxin, but questions remain about lead-associated intellectual deficits at blood lead levels < 10 microg/dL and whether lower exposures are, for a given change in exposure, associated with greater deficits. The objective of this study was to examine the association of intelligence test scores and blood lead concentration, especially for children who had maximal measured blood lead levels < 10 microg/dL. We examined data collected from 1,333 children who participated in seven international population-based longitudinal cohort studies, followed from birth or infancy until 5-10 years of age. The full-scale IQ score was the primary outcome measure. The geometric mean blood lead concentration of the children peaked at 17.8 microg/dL and declined to 9.4 microg/dL by 5-7 years of age; 244 (18%) children had a maximal blood lead concentration < 10 microg/dL, and 103 (8%) had a maximal blood lead concentration < 7.5 microg/dL. After adjustment for covariates, we found an inverse relationship between blood lead concentration and IQ score. Using a log-linear model, we found a 6.9 IQ point decrement [95% confidence interval (CI), 4.2-9.4] associated with an increase in concurrent blood lead levels from 2.4 to 30 microg/dL. The estimated IQ point decrements associated with an increase in blood lead from 2.4 to 10 microg/dL, 10 to 20 microg/dL, and 20 to 30 microg/dL were 3.9 (95% CI, 2.4-5.3), 1.9 (95% CI, 1.2-2.6), and 1.1 (95% CI, 0.7-1.5), respectively. For a given increase in blood lead, the lead-associated intellectual decrement for children with a maximal blood lead level < 7.5 microg/dL was significantly greater than that observed for those with a maximal blood lead level > or = 7.5 microg/dL (p = 0.015). We conclude that environmental lead exposure in children who have maximal blood lead levels < 7.5 microg/dL is associated with intellectual deficits.
Apologies if this has already been posted - I've never made it through every page of this thread.

Another thing that remains unclear is that once the lead level starts dropping, how much difference it makes how much time your child spent at the higher lead levels.

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Sorry for my ignornnace -- so the study concludes it is levels greater than 7.5 that are problematic?
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Sorry for my ignornnace -- so the study concludes it is levels greater than 7.5 that are problematic?
No, the opposite, actually. They found that the greatest rate of IQ loss happens between 2.4 and 10. Cognitive deficits continue to increase above 10, but at a slower rate. Their main conclusion is that levels under 7.5 do cause intellectual deficits.
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Oh it's so good to connect with some mamas who are as concerned about this as I am! Most mamas I meet just act like I am an overly scientific freak!

DS picked up Lead in Upstate NY where many of the homes have lead. I think his came from my IL's house and we just haven't been able to address it with them. They CANNOT afford to replace the windows in question. I think it goes like this, they have a 10 year old carpet, so while they don't open & close their lead windows too much, the rug has been absorbing & storing lead dust from the windows and from the highway they live on for a long time! We hope to someday get them to replace the rug with laminite or something that won't absorb the lead dust.

We've moved, so it's not so much an issue, but it really freaks me out when we go back to visit.



It really made me so mad, because I really tried to be aware of this issue. I can't tell you how many apts I looked at, etc trying to find one that was lead free only to have lead exposure anyway.

Has anyone else heard that lead exposure can come from keys?
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I also haven't made it through the whole thread though I'll be coming back. As the mama of an older child I would urge all mamas to take any lead levels in the body very seriously- certainly anything above a 1 or 2! No lead in the body is normal. I became aware of this issues when we bought our first home and my oldest was 2 and I was pregnant with my second. We bought a house built in 1931. It was beautiful and we loved it. Prior to moving into this house my DS tested at a level 4 (we had to specifically request the results because under 10 is considered negative and you don't get notified). We did our own lead cleanup with TSP wet washing of walls and everything, got the house spot tested and retested and the lead levels went down to acceptable levels. We always used a hepa vac and TSP, wet wiped windows regularly, and washed hands a lot. We got kids retested and tests always came back negative. I think we checked the numbers again and it hovered around a 4. I knew no lead in the body is normal, but I figured we were doing the best we could and lots of kids had levels of 4. I comforted myself with the justification that newer houses probably have potent yet to be discovered toxins.

Fast forward- My oldest DS is verbally gifted but also has a learning disability and behavioral attention and impulse control problems. There is definitely a neurological basis. There's no way to know how much the lead had to do with it, but I often have trouble dealing with the fact that we knowingly bought and stayed in a house with lead basically because we loved it. We took lots of precautions, but in hindsight I'm really not sure it was worth the risk.

I am taking him to a doc who may want to do chelation treatment (we're awaiting current test results). I'm scared of the decisions I may be facing! I would be really interested in any links that really go into the pros and cons of chelation therapy under the supervision of a doctor. I would love to get this crap out of his body, but... is it worth yet another risk?
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the dept of health came in last friday and told us our whole house is full of lead. we have to move, no resources to do so, trying to find help from every agency/organization i can get on the phone, no luck yet. our area is full of houses that are poisoning kids and there is not one agency set up to help families in this situation. will type more later if this one posts, as i have typed a longer post twice only to be told i am not logged in, and i am.
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I'm here to join in too - DD's pedi just called and her results were 15 {normal is .9 or under}. DD is 13mo.

I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out where is could be coming from. Anything china just went out the door {she had had some of the recalled toys} but other than that - house build in 1978 & new coat of paint 3yrs ago before we moved in. We haven't done any remodeling other than pulling up carpets.

How do you test the water???? Our city water sucks and tastes horrible.
The retest results are in - 17 with a vein draw. :

DD's pedi isn't doing anything about it either "we'll just watch it" - she is convinced that it was toys from china.

So - what can I do myself to help it go down?
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hey mamas - quick question:

I just got a letter from the local health dept, informing me of DD's levels {but not her retest levels}. They want me to call for "nurse consultation & education"

What happens if I don't call? I'm a single mama FYI.

I don't really want them involved {coming to home to test, us having to go to Health Dept, etc} because I don't feel there is any need for it {we are fairly certain her high levels came from her toys}.
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Sandygirl - please accept the help from the health department. They may be able to identify a source of lead you aren't aware of. You simply can't be certain the problem is entirely due to toys. You do not want to miss out on an opportunity to eliminate an exposure source. Please also accept their offer of counseling and education. It's great that you are coming here for tips, but again, why turn your back on another information source? You may also learn information about lead exposures and your legal rights that are specific to your area.

Harmonymama - it sounds like you don't have a current lead level for your DS. Even if his current lead level continued to be 4, chelation is not warranted at that level. No legitimate doctor is going to prescribe DMSA for a 4. Not worth the risk.

Dinahx - Yes, household keys are definitely a source of lead exposure. No one should let their children play with their keys, and if you can, wash your hands immediately after handling keys when you come into the house.
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Sandygirl - please accept the help from the health department. They may be able to identify a source of lead you aren't aware of. You simply can't be certain the problem is entirely due to toys. You do not want to miss out on an opportunity to eliminate an exposure source. Please also accept their offer of counseling and education. It's great that you are coming here for tips, but again, why turn your back on another information source? You may also learn information about lead exposures and your legal rights that are specific to your area.
I swhould have clarified - my HD doesn't come out and do testing unless the level is over 20 - but I would be required to go to "Classes" since DD's is 18. The classes are a farce from what I've been told.
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Has anyone else heard that lead exposure can come from keys?
Yes, I've heard that. From the metal fragments, I guess.
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The retest results are in - 17 with a vein draw. :

DD's pedi isn't doing anything about it either "we'll just watch it" - she is convinced that it was toys from china.

So - what can I do myself to help it go down?
Make sure she gets lots of calcium, iron and vitamin C in her diet. Also I believe good fats (like cod liver oil) are essential.

Harmonymama, Is your doc a DAN! dr?

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ugh - my HD is giving me issues because of DD's lead levels -

what are my rights here?

They are telling me that DD has to move out, that I have to stop nursing her, we need to demolish our home, etc. They even have the year our home was built wrong! They have not come in to test or anything - and with their scaremongering I'm not inclined to let them!

I'm hoping someone here can tell me my rights in reguards to this.
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Sandygirl, I don't know your legal rights here, I'm sorry, although I'm sure they can't make you wean. I've never heard of a house getting demolished in these circumstances - rather, lead abatement is performed: repainting, replacing windows, adding topsoil to lawns, etc. Much of this may well be paid for by the HD, if you let them in the door, of course. I actually agree with the suggestion to move out - not necessarily permanently, but if you have a nearby relative that you and your daughter could stay with while the lead source gets determined, that is ideal.

I think you should focus on protecting your daughter and less on a wrangle with the HD. I know you feel disrespected and jerked around, but that's not really as important as your daughter's developing brain. Let them in for an inspection - at least then you have some data to go on and there will be fewer wild suggestions being tossed around. If you can afford it and you really don't trust the HD, then get your own inspection done so you have two sets of data. You can find a list of certified inspectors at the EPA website.
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hearing your stories, i feel thankful, but still concerned, about my dd 12mo lead test result of 6. i'd like to see it below 3, as would our wonderful dr. i'm going to try this cilantro pesto idea. also, anyone know solutions for lead in the water? we are filtering now, and i've heard it's good to let it run for a while, but that seems such a waste... ugh. does anyone know what the laws are in ma for landlords dealing with the lead? it would be great if we could get a household filter system, but i know that can be expensive, so i'm hoping it would be the landlord's expense. best of luck to all of you getting the lead out of your babies. it makes me crazy that we should even have to worry about this for our children.
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Yes, my son's doc is a DAN! doc. I don't know if she would recommend chelation for a level of 4 or not, but she seemed to be preparing me for the idea, and said 4 is high. We sent a urine sample to France that she said is the definitive lead test. But my son also had a vaccine reaction, so I think she is trying to look at his total heavy metal exposure over the course of his lifetime not just right now (b/c blood lead levels only show what had entered body in past 30 days). Anyway I'm not sure about any of this, but trying to educate myself more before our next appointment. Anyone have experience with DAN! doctors or these types of tests/treatments? Advice?
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Hannahmama - yes, let the water run for a couple of minutes in the morning. I know it seems wasteful but your kid's health takes priority, yk? Check your local HD to ask about water testing. In NY you can send your water away to get tested for free - see if there's a similar program in MA. Your landlord is not required to do anything about lead in the water unless there's a confirmed hazardous level. So check the water and then work from there.

Harmonymama - I think you are wrong about blood lead levels only showing the last 30 days of exposure. I can't search out links right now, but if you only have that information from your DAN doctor, I'd find another source to double-check.

Blood tests are "definitive" in the sense that all the information we have about the negative cognitive impacts of lead exposure is based on studying blood lead levels. Those are the metrics that researchers are looking at. You might try asking your DAN doc for further information about her supposedly "definitive" test, such as peer-reviewed studies establishing its significance, and why it is that the only lab capable of performing it is overseas, and whether this lab does business with anyone other than the alternative medical community. You might also ask her for any peer-reviewed studies showing the positive impact of chelation on children with a lead level of 4 (this is a trick question; there are none). Please get a second opinion before starting on some dangerous and expensive course of therapy such as chelation and consider that DAN docs can have an agenda of their own.
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Yes, my son's doc is a DAN! doc. I don't know if she would recommend chelation for a level of 4 or not, but she seemed to be preparing me for the idea, and said 4 is high. We sent a urine sample to France that she said is the definitive lead test. But my son also had a vaccine reaction, so I think she is trying to look at his total heavy metal exposure over the course of his lifetime not just right now (b/c blood lead levels only show what had entered body in past 30 days). Anyway I'm not sure about any of this, but trying to educate myself more before our next appointment. Anyone have experience with DAN! doctors or these types of tests/treatments? Advice?
My holistic practitioner said she just got back from a conference where they spoke of urine testing as the definitive test for metals. I also thought it was pretty well known that blood lead levels are only indicative of recent metal exposure, not lifetime build-up. Although, it is true that all the research I have seen does refer to BLL on symptoms and effects of lead. So, I don't have any answers for you, but just wanted to back up some of the info you're getting from the DAN.

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My holistic practitioner said she just got back from a conference where they spoke of urine testing as the definitive test for metals. I also thought it was pretty well known that blood lead levels are only indicative of recent metal exposure, not lifetime build-up.
Yes, that is well known. But indicative of the past few months of exposure, not the past 30 days, which is what harmonymama's doctor told her.

As for urine testing: this is not the definitive test for how much lead is present in the body. Rather, this shows how much lead is being excreted. Lead is tested in urine during a course of chelation, to determine how much lead is being excreted as a result of the therapy. So if a doctor is recommending urine testing, that doctor is planning to recommend chelation. I would bet that your holistic practitioner heard urine testing discussed in the context of chelation.
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I have the hair test to do on my DD, but I was wondering how much it generally takes. She really doesn't have much hair and I wasd wondering if I should wait till after Thanksgiving to cut off the sample.
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She also recommend that I load up on cilantro, so that DD would get it through breastmilk. I told her about the concerns I have read about here and on the Autism-Mercury board but she didn't think there was any reason it would be dangerous to chelate with cilantro.

She also wants to administer homeopathic doses of lead, cadmium and the other metals that she is toxic from. Has anyone ever heard of this?

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Leila, by all means give your LO cilantro; the danger posed by chelation comes from pharmaceutical chelating agents not a diet high in greens (BTW I am certainly not against chelation in all cases of lead poisoning, but it is only warranted in cases of particularly high BLL). However, think of the cilantro as something you are trying in addition to rather than instead of the proven dietary methods of limiting lead absorption - i.e. feeding high-iron and high-calcium foods or providing supplements.

Homeopathic doses of anything aren't likely to do harm, but there is certainly no benefit to taking in even tiny doses of lead.
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