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#61 of 302 Old 08-25-2005, 08:41 PM
 
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Wow. Again. Ya'll sound just nuts. The blood test was for STD's, not cervical cancer.

Maybe instead of getting upset, just ask for clarification.

Now I'm confused. I thought the issue was more with cervical exams. I thought STD tests generally aere blood tests. When I was tested for a bunch of them in my first pregnancy, they were blood tests. Besides, I don't annually get tested for STDs. I do have an annual pap though.
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STD tests - blood and urine samples can be used. They are more accurate than the more common use of swabs and smears.
Pap smears - commonly, they scrape the cervix and remove cells and put them on a slide. Scraping causes the cervix to be open to infection. Also, it is quite painful for most women.
There are alternative methods for testing for cervical cancer that do not cause damage to the cervix and are not painful. ie-the PolarProbe, and maybe someday in the future, a blood test similar to the one used for men, for testing prostate cancer.

Self breast exams are less invasive. If a woman does a self breast exam every time she showers or bathes or just every day and gets to know how her breast changes, she will know if something is wrong and be able to go in and have further testing done.

Same with the vagina, vulva, and labia and rectum, etc. If a woman knows how her body feels, she will be able to detect any growths or abnormality before a once a year exam would.
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A person who has never felt your breast before is not going to know if it has changed.
Ugh.

OK, if I walk up to you with a swollen toe, you are going to be able to look at my toe and tell me if it is swollen or not. Right? Even though you may have never seen *my* toes before. No? You would be able to tell my toe is swollen because you have seen enough toes in your lifetime to know what toes look like in their normal state.

So it goes for health care providers. They have felt, palpated and touched enough normal and abnormal anatomy, that they are able to discern what is of concern and what isn't.

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I just don't buy the assertion that regular health care is an indicator of self-shame and powerlessness. In some cases they exist together, in some cases they don't.
Yes.

And about pap smears, please tell me what an examination of your own cervix could tell you in terms of cancer or abnormal cells?

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Ugh.

OK, if I walk up to you with a swollen toe, you are going to be able to look at my toe and tell me if it is swollen or not. Right? Even though you may have never seen *my* toes before. No? You would be able to tell my toe is swollen because you have seen enough toes in your lifetime to know what toes look like in their normal state.
I am saying that a woman who does self exams will detect an abnormality way before a yearly exam would. You are talking about having an abnormality, while I am discussing the healthy body and how to know it, so that if an abnormality occured, a person would seek medical attention, before their yearly exam.
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And about pap smears, please tell me what an examination of your own cervix could tell you in terms of cancer or abnormal cells?
Nothing. I was referring to when you are pregnant and they want to check it if it is dilated or in what position, etc. It has nothing to do with cancer.
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no where did i say that...maybe you should actually read what i wrote.
I have read what you said, very carefully. Like your question-

"Why is everyone so bent on having "solid data"?"

Because in the absence of solid data, some people make really foolish and harmful assumptions about the way the world is. You oughta know.
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you cannot have solid data on something that does not exist or is still being tested.
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Because in the absence of solid data, some people make really foolish and harmful assumptions about the way the world is. You oughta know.
So, if something is not known and then is known, you are saying i should keep my mouth shut and still act as if i don't know?

Do you honestly believe the medical industry cannot change for the better?
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I, like a huge number of the mamas here, have an extremely critical eye on the mainstream medical industry. That is completely beside the point. I'm not talking about the medical industry. I'm talking about you and your condescending assumptions about a lot of MDC mamas.

I'm pointing out how silly it is to ask something like "Why is everyone so bent on having "solid data"?" when you, in the absence of "solid data" couldn't figure out through common sense or intuition or "traditional knowledge" that smoking while pregnant could harm a baby.
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I'm pointing out how silly it is to ask something like "Why is everyone so bent on having "solid data"?" when you, in the absence of "solid data" couldn't figure out through common sense or intuition or "traditional knowledge" that smoking while pregnant could harm a baby.
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no where in this thread did I say I smoked.
As for having solid data, read my pp.

Rather than point out my fallacies, why don't you stay OT?
Provide solid data disproving what I have written.
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This thread is interesting.

While I agree that women and men can detect an early problem in some cases through self-examination, I'll still be having a yearly pelvic exam.

Here's why:

I have no idea what a cervix feels like, other than my own. I have nothing to compare it to. If I examine my own cervix and detect no difference from the last time, I have no idea if what I felt during the first exam was "right". For all I know, there could have been something wrong the first time I felt and I just didn't know. So if nothing felt different the next time, I'd still have a problem and not be aware of it.

I've never felt anyone else's cervix, and I know that my doctor has.
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This thread is interesting.

While I agree that women and men can detect an early problem in some cases through self-examination, I'll still be having a yearly pelvic exam.

Here's why:

I have no idea what a cervix feels like, other than my own. I have nothing to compare it to. If I examine my own cervix and detect no difference from the last time, I have no idea if what I felt during the first exam was "right". For all I know, there could have been something wrong the first time I felt and I just didn't know. So if nothing felt different the next time, I'd still have a problem and not be aware of it.

I've never felt anyone else's cervix, and I know that my doctor has.
Everyone's cervix is different. That is like saying you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between feelings of your finger and expecting a doctor, who has felt many fingers, to automatically know if something is wrong with your finger.
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no where did i say that...maybe you should actually read what i wrote.
Well, in everyone's defense, it's a little hard to understand what exactly it is you are trying to say.

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I see what you mean, but my point is that if something *were* wrong with my cervix, I might not recognize it as such and therefore not get it treated.

For example, (and this is hypothetical) if there were a bump or a lesion or something that shouldn't be there, it's possible that I would just think that it's a normal thing and not recognize it as a potential issue, hence delaying treatment.
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Same with the vagina, vulva, and labia and rectum, etc. If a woman knows how her body feels, she will be able to detect any growths or abnormality before a once a year exam would.
I don't think you're actually implying this, but I don't think that women who choose to have annual exams don't know what their bodies feel like. It's not like those of us who do yearlies don't know what our bodies feel like.
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"no where in this thread did I say I smoked."

I never said it was in this thread.

"As for having solid data, read my pp.
Rather than point out my fallacies, why don't you stay OT?
Provide solid data disproving what I have written."

Why are you so bent on having solid data?

(Yes, it's official. I now have no idea what the hell you are talking about.)
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Well, in everyone's defense, it's a little hard to understand what exactly it is you are trying to say.
The medical industry as it percieves and treats women, needs to change. That change can come about if women are educated and informed about their bodies. A lot of MDC ppl here already know that, but there are many who don't.
How many mothers teach their daughters how to do a self exam or how to listen to their bodies and what changes it is going through and how to detect a problem?
How many mother's teach their daughter's that they are born with all the 'eggs' that will become their children one day and how to protect/preserve them?
How many women here know how to check their own cervix, pelvis, vagina, labia, etc.?
It is okay for men to feel themselves but is frowned upon when women do so.
How many of you have said, "NO." to a doctor?

Many MDC moms will do everything in their power to have a natural birth, not vax, and raise healthy children, but don't see the difference when it comes to their own bodies and health.

As long as women let the medical industry make money off of our ignorance and trust, we will never get them to let us have the births we want, kwim?

If women are taught not to trust their bodies, then the doctor's will not trust your body either.

Does that make more sense, or did I make it worse?
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oh, i've been confused for a while...i think there's a valid point buried in there somewhere, however it's just too radical and vaguely justified for me. i don't trust extremes, the truth is usually somewhere in between.
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"The medical industry as it percieves and treats women, needs to change. That change can come about if women are educated and informed about their bodies. A lot of MDC ppl here already know that, but there are many who don't.
How many mothers teach their daughters how to do a self exam or how to listen to their bodies and what changes it is going through and how to detect a problem?
How many mother's teach their daughter's that they are born with all the 'eggs' that will become their children one day and how to protect/preserve them?
How many women here know how to check their own cervix, pelvis, vagina, labia, etc.?
It is okay for men to feel themselves but is frowned upon when women do so.
How many of you have said, "NO." to a doctor?

Many MDC moms will do everything in their power to have a natural birth, not vax, and raise healthy children, but don't see the difference when it comes to their own bodies and health.

As long as women let the medical industry make money off of our ignorance and trust, we will never get them to let us have the births we want, kwim?

If women are taught not to trust their bodies, then the doctor's will not trust your body either."


That's how I see it too.
A well-informed powerful woman in charge of her own health is *also* going to know how to get the most out of what good there is to be had in modern medicine when it suits her needs, and may roll her eyes when someone suggests it means she is giving up her power.

It's not an either/or proposition.
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Hmmm, seems like the woman who did the only definitive research on the effects of alcohol and conception would be aware of the risks of smoking and know a little bit more about cervical cancer.
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okay, i'm trying to follow along. i will agree that in general, the medical system is not set up to empower women. i also believe that there is room for improvement to empower women in their annual exam. i also believe that intuition and inner healing are valid and that also Native Americans do have some amazing healers who can cure diseases without allopathic means. i also know that health is more complicated also than just a healthy diet and exercise (my dad has prostate cancer despite eating a vegetarian, no sugar diet for 30 years and exercises regularly and also had an obese, smoking, non-exercising grandma die at 80).

however, pap smears and annual exams are cool with me - uncomfortable and ackward - yeah (we have no female doctors) but after one abnormal pap indicative of HPV i realized for myself that the exam is worth it. it's not like i had even 5 different partners so i find it of value to myself to have the exam done. i'm not sure about the side effects that the OP is discussing, in my readings i haven't come across her concerns, although they are valid if equipment is being re-used without sterilization. as much as i am into alternative medicine and pretty much have no use for western medicine i do recognize that there is a time and place for it in my life and my children's too.

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The medical community is not just abusing and ignoring females. We could go on about how the medical community ignores and male treats various groups but at the same time we have to admit that "modern" medicine has its purpose.

My father got Viagra for prostate cancer. Why?? Because his questions were ignored. My poor husband got his pain ignored after his first hernia surgery. I wasn't thinking and didn't ask what different they would persribe a c-section mama. Then maybe dh would have gotten relief. We were told he was being a "male" aka a big baby. When he had the other side done pain relief was much better. The medical community does not promote male self exams like female exams. Testical cancer is more deadly than breast or cervical cancer.

I could spend hours on the neglect and miscare of elderly and children that I have seen.

Yes, I won't argue the medical community needs a change in attitude towards the humans they are treating.

BUT!! To understand the need for Papsmears you need to read up on the most common STD the HPV (human Papilliomavirus). It is almost synonomus with having sex but you can also get it from your mother (at least one article/study I read showed a corrilation). You can be effected and never know about it. It can also take 20 years to show cervical changes do to the HPV (there is about 100 strands of this). HPV is not just genital warts.

There are many things you can and should say no to in the doctor's office. There are things you can do less often than recommended. Empowerment comes when you educate yourself. Empowerment comes from understanding why you are doing something this doesn't mean you won't feel it violating, agravating, or annoying.

I do not feel it violating to get a pelvic exam because my mother was smart enough to teach me why I need one. She also made me feel that my private parts were not dirty and shouldn't be touched. I know that many women do not have this education or have had things happen to them that cause them to feel differently about their bodies. I might be odd but I feel more uncomfortable hugging some people than I do getting a pap smear from a stranger.

I would not trust my eyes to look at my waste line and assume my cholestrol was ok. I will admit I am over weight but I have lower cholestrol that my underweight relatives.

I could feel something wrong in my knees but I had to go the doctor to figure out what exactly was wrong and the best way of treating it was. Just staying off and letting it rest would not have cure/relieve the issues.

Also, you can get a pap done buy any doctor or nurse practitioner you feel comfortable with.
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I have read this thread twice now, and still don't fully understand. So I'll address some confusing points.

You are saying that yearly exams are unnecessary? Okay. The docs around here have moved to doing pap smears every three years, as long as all previous smears were normal. Mostly, I suspect, to save money.

I would like to see some sort of evidence that performing a pap "weakens" the cervix. Having pushed a couple of babies through there, I'd say that the cervix is a pretty tough piece of meat. A Q-tip isn't going to somehow puncture the thing.

Evidence is important because there are limits to our intuitions. "Everybody doesn't know" that smoking and caffiene are harmful during pregnancy because we lack the ability to intuit this information.

And men DO have their genitals examined. This is shame-inducing for neither men nor for women. Although I get a yearly checkup, I still am not in any way shamed for touching my body however I see fit.

Hell, I could be checking my cervix as we speak!
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Hell, I could be checking my cervix as we speak!

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I admire all the women in this thread who have spoken out and provided good solid evidence. I do Pap smears all day long as well as STD testing and many other things. I believe in what I'm doing and I have made a difference in many women's lives.

One thing that comes to mind, and my mind is reeling, is the apparent faith that the OP has in tumor markers as reliable tools for diagnosis. These are notoriously poor indicators of disease mainly because they are very highly sensitive but not very specific (good example is PSA). Tumor markers are used to monitor treatment and should never be used as a sole indicator of the presence or absence of disease.

Oh, and we use only metal speculums in our clinic. I can't fathom the idea of using plastic and throwing them away! We make enough medical waste as it is. The metal ones are autoclaved and are far superior tools to the plastic.

Really, I'm just so gosh-darned glad that more than a few people mentioned HPV. As I read the OP my heart began to sink thinking that the information on HPV has got to be more widely disseminated to the public.

Argh, in many ways this was an extremely frustrating thread to read.

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Yes. I have read all about HPV. Know all about it.

I just think it is insane that so many mothers will do anything for a natural birth, but then let doctors have so much power over their genitals and breasts without even questioning it.
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I just think it is insane that so many mothers will do anything for a natural birth, but then let doctors have so much power over their genitals and breasts without even questioning it.
How does getting a checkup constitute a ceding of power to a doctor? That doc performs a service for you; I feel no more abused by the doctor's services than by the pizza delivery guy's.
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I faithfully have had my pap every year since I was 18yrs old. Because I don't buy that you only get cervical cancer from HPV crap. My mother and two of her four sisters had precancer cells, or cervical cancer in their mid 20's to early thirties. 4 of my 13 female cousins have had it show up, as well as my older sister. Most between the ages of 23 and 28. I find it a bit hard to believe that 8 close family members all had abnormal paps, and/or cervical cancer all around the same age and it's not genetically linked. The odds just don't add up. So I will faithfully get my pap every year.
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A well-informed powerful woman in charge of her own health is *also* going to know how to get the most out of what good there is to be had in modern medicine when it suits her needs, and may roll her eyes when someone suggests it means she is giving up her power..
But sometimes getting screened for something you probably don't have is really not in your own best interest.

Let's say a hypothetical test for cancer is 99% accurate, and let's assume that 1 out of every 1000 people has that kind of cancer. That means if you screen 1000 random people you find one cancer and make 9 mistakes (either telling someone they have caner and they don't or else missing a cancer and not treating it). In other words, any abnormal result is proabably wrong, AND the screening might not even find the disease if you have it.

From a medical standpoint, that's OK-- It was worth the 9 mistakes to "save" one person. From MY standpoint, though, I'm more likely to get a wrong diagnosis than to get "saved".

I believe that's why there is currently an argument about breast cancer screening. Pro-screening doctors act as if everyone treated would have died from cancer, but that is simply not true. If you get screened, it becomes much more likely that you'll have a mastectomy or radiation treatment, but it really doesn't change how likely you are to die from breat cancer.

Screening is probably good for public health in general, but sometimes not so good for individuals. Personally, I try not to get screened for anything unless there is some convincing reason to think I'm in a high-risk population.

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I just think it is insane that so many mothers will do anything for a natural birth, but then let doctors have so much power over their genitals and breasts without even questioning it.
Dr. Mendelsohn told the story about a wife of one of his collegues who went in for a routine PAP, and got a suspicious report back...indicating further investigation.

She went in for the cervical biopsy cryosurgery to be sure.

Her cervix was fine. NO CANCER!

However during the procedure, she began to hemorrhage uncontrolably; this complication necessitated an emergency hysterectomy.

But she is just fine now!

If this is preventative medicine, I will take my chances with disease, thank you very much.

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I am saying that a woman who does self exams will detect an abnormality way before a yearly exam would. You are talking about having an abnormality, while I am discussing the healthy body and how to know it, so that if an abnormality occured, a person would seek medical attention, before their yearly exam.
Not necessarily. You can be healthy and aware and still get cancer. I watched my 46 year old aunt die of cancer last year. She thought she had a cat scratch that got infected.......8 months later I was sitting there next to her dead body in my grandmother's living room. I think it is very naive to think that eating healthy alone will prevent this.......we can only do so much. Our environment is full of toxic crap......you can do 100% of things healthy and still get cancer. Cancer is nothing to mess around with.

That said, IF I get cancer, I would try Hoxsey (alternative medicine) before chemo and radiation BUT I still want to know if/when I have it which is what a simple pap smear can tell me. I havent had one in a couple of years, I dont do them every single year but every couple of years I do.

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