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#1 of 13 Old 10-01-2005, 12:45 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I was visiting my doctor for a slight pain in my abdomen...
He diagnosed me with a irritated bowl. I went on to tell him how I was looking into making more vegetarian meals along with some raw food dishes to add to my familys' diet. I had also said I had been eating organic for the past 2-3 years. I never said I didn't eat sugar and spice....or dairy and meat for that matter.
His reply was "if food was to make a difference, than why do you still have the problem?" He proceeded to hand me an antacid, which I am having a hard time convincing myself to take. Doesn't antacid affect the absorption of nutrients/food?
I was trying to explain to him about the nutritious enzymes in raw foods and the fact that they provide a more alkaline enviorment, which is also good to help prevent an enviorment for cancer.
He looked at me like a confused puppy.
I have yet to met a doctor that knows anything than medicating everything with pharmaceuticals. Not one docotor I know of ....agrees with organic and or vegan diets. But then again ....if everyone at healthy and practiced nutritional healing, they wouldn't make much money because there would be alot less cancer and heart disease, and gastrointestenal disorders among a long line of other disorders that could be prevented and maybe even cured by nutritional healing.
Of course there are times when modern medicine does come into play but I feel very sad that everytime I walk into my doctors office ........I am treated like I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Most medical doctors don't believe nutrition has anything to do with our health. You might want to talk to a naturopath or accupunturist. They'll treat you more holistically. I agree that there's times when modern medicine is effective - but you're right - it would be nice to have someone educated in both.

By the way - I'm moving the to the health forum as I think it will fit there better.

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So why did you go see a Dr. if you already had a plan?

not beiong snarky but your right. Most Dr. won't recommend a diet change for people with high blood presure, high cholesterol, gout, obesity etc. . . .especially not one that falls outside of basic food pyramid recommendations.

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Have you considered seeing an Osteopath or a Nurse Practicioner? It *can* be a totally different experience. They may even recommend that you seek alternative practicioners like accupuncturists when they can't help.
I see a PA, and she always seeks non pharmaceutical ways to address health issues, and is big on prevention (like diet, excercise). She's helped me get through phases of frequent migraines without ever prescribing anything, and actually advised against it when I brought it up a few years ago.
My kids see a pretty mainstream pediatric practice. DD1 sees the NP. The dr's and NP that we've seen could hardly be described as pill pushers, though. They'll have you try several behavior and life adjustments like change in diet, taking stock of living conditions (ie mold, mites in the house) before handing over a prescription. They're out there. If this guy wants to medicate you without offering a first resort, go with your gut--especially with irritable bowel. I have a very senstive GI system with similar symptoms to IBS. I know what my body can and can't tolerate. High fiber, good carbs, low fat, fermented foods, smaller portions, lots of leafy greens and fluids seem to work best. When I was pg my mw's suggested papaya enzymes over antacids for heartburn. Chronic antacid use can increase the pH in your stomach and (I think IIRC from nursing school) thus inhibit absorption of certain vitamins.

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Doctors don't study nutrition for more than a day or two! Pill Pusher is the right name for them. That is all my experience with MD's have been, and to the detriment of my health. NO more.

It's really sad. Our nation eats food almost completely devoid of essential nutrients. No wonder there is more heart diease, cancer, diabetes, etc. than any other time in our history. Doesn't take a diploma on the wall to connect "McDonald's billions and billions served" with disease.

The three most amazing books which changed my views on food and healing and really my entire outlook on eating for health for the rest of our lives:

"Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Weston Price
"Nourishing Traditions" by Sally Fallon
"Breaking the Vicious Cycle" by Elaine Gottschall
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I don't have much new to add, but I've had the same experience with physicians. I decided to go see an ND and the difference is night and day. I had an hour long appointment and was treated like a friend. The ND talked to me and listened to me.

Another idea is to see an herbalist. Most of the herbalists I have seen are very in to helping people with making dietary changes as well.
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I view M.D.s as “licensed drug-dealers” because that is where the money is. Most, exception to the few knows nothing about nutrition for healing. If I have to go to hospital or see an M.D., I always think “what would they do, or tell me?” before I go. Mostly I go there for their opinion, and won’t fill the prescription (also because I use homeopathy, and you can’t use both.) If you are still concerned about your pain, I would ask for an ultra sound, or some other test that you can see and measure. If you are already practicing a particular diet, you may want to try variation. I used to avoid red meat, (but never a vegetarian) but now avoid sugar and carbohydrates, and feel wonderful. I still eat a lot of veggies and fruit, and always loved vegan foods. I think many people have prejudice about “meat eater,” yet some vegetarian food doesn’t really appear to be “Healthy” because they still allow processed food, a lot of dairy and sugar.

I hope you will feel better, soon.
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I must adress some comments about finding a natural doctor.
I would love to but most of them aren't very near, I live in Jackson, N.J..
I have seen listings for NYC but that's a place I like to avoid. I used to live there, and i don't want to walk around the city. It scares me. I used to get off the train at the world trade center everyday.
My main concern is finding a hollistic pediatrician....i have been looking for what seems like forever. There was one i found but he's 'a specialist in cardiology, and only practices homeopathy for chronic conditions that haven't responded well to medical treatment.'
Other than that I'm still trying to get the hang of identifying alot of these natural practices for what my needs are, which is family health, pediatrics.
I'm somewhat new to all this...only the past 2 years i have been really organic and homeopathic, and leaning towards vegetarian.
I intend to make good use of these forums...there are obviously alot of good people here. I guess I'll eventually find my way..

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The problem is you must definitively prove the effectiveness of a new drug and drug companies pay billions of dollars toward research.

No one has proven nutrition or herbal/homeopathic medicine works but nobody is going to fund that research because no one is going to *profit* from any potential findings.

Even if nutrition could not be proven doesn't mean there isn't any justification for using natural remedes.

In addition, there is overwhelming evidence that diet does affect health. I was doing a Statistics unit in my basic Biology lab and we had to scatter plot daily fat intake and cancer deaths (per 100,000 in the population) there was an almost perfect +1 corelation between fat intake and cancer deaths.

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don't know if you've been here or they have what you are looking for.....

www.naturopathic.org

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I was doing a Statistics unit in my basic Biology lab and we had to scatter plot daily fat intake and cancer deaths (per 100,000 in the population) there was an almost perfect +1 corelation between fat intake and cancer deaths.
Yes, and it's important that the type of fat is studied, not just saying all fats are bad. Because canola, corn oil and other very unhealthy polyunsaturated fats and especially hydrogenated fat are a huge part of modern diets. Saturated fat is shown through research on native diets to be beneficial...cancer and heart disease was non existent.

Lot of info here from one of the foremost lipid researchers, Dr. Mary Enig.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

The current diet recommendations are wrong, wrong, wrong.

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Just thought of this...you could search for graduates of Bastyr

http://www.bastyr.edu/alumni/findgrad.asp
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I love the Weston A. Price Assn. for learning about nutrition! Acutally, one of my herbalists told me about it and I've learned so much about nutrition from reading their magazine and web site... not to mention the cookbook Nurishing Traditions.

My ND graduated from Bastyr!
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