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Old 02-02-2006, 05:38 AM - Thread Starter
 
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Not ready to go to sleep yet, so I thought I'd start Feb.'s thread.

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I have decided I definitely need to change dd's diet. She has a rash on her leg that was spreading with what the dr prescribed, and it didn't look like her regular eczema, either. It is responding quite nicely to a natural antifungal cream.
I've been watching the show, http://www.knowthecause.com/ , by Doug Kaufmann. What he says really makes sense. I think I'm going to try his diet for a while with her. And make coconut milk yogurt. (I experimented enough with my crockpot and I think it's going to work.) His diet is basically give up grains, sugars, fruits (except for green apples, berries, avocados, coconuts, and citrus), dairy (except for yogurt, butter and sour cream), beans, legumes, corn, potatoes, peanuts, pistachios, and things made with vinegar. We already avoid most of those things anyway. The hardest thing to avoid for her will be grains as she is used to eating brown rice waffles.

I wanted to do the scd diet, but it just seems like it would be too hard to do the scd with her. I recently found out she is severely allergic to eggs. She's also anaphylactic to dairy. And she's allergic to almonds, spinach, most beans, peas, corn, and wheat. She loves green beans, but they give her diarrhea and diaper rash. She doesn't digest carrots or raisins, either. And Since she's allergic to two nuts, we're avoiding the other nuts until she's at least three. (And avoiding seafood til then, too.)

I may try to make some of the scd baked good recipes with pumpkin seed flour and flaxseed/water as an egg substitute. Michaela loves meats, so I don't think protein will be an issue. I just need to get her to eat more veggies. She really doesn't eat much fruit, either except she loves frozen blueberries.

Anyone have any kid friendly ideas for veggies?

I was looking into the enzymes recommended on enzymestuff, but it bothers me that they contain fungal derived enzymes. Does anyone have any info on this?

btw, I did the master cleanse for 10 days. I felt great. I did get really bored with drinking the drink, though. I just wanted to chew on something. Since I stopped, I've been eating crap--pizza, pb & j, etc. I can definitely tell a difference. No more garbage food for me.
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So, the Kaufman diet sounds a lot like the paleo diet, only with some dairy in it and limited fruit. What is the reasoning behind the fruit limitations? What are you supposed to eat instead of grains if you don't eat beans? Just nuts? Interesting that beans are not allowed, but seeds are -- wonder what the different reasonings are? I know SCD considers seeds to be very irritating.
As far as veggies, can you sneak some into a smoothie? I would cook them first for digestibility. Also, what about a stir fry? DS seems to like veggies better that way than steamed.

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Anyone done both a total elimination diet and SCD? How did you start? Isn't it usually like rice and chicken or turkey?
Yes, I have and learned about it here from these fine women! I am actually here to update our status.

Dd #2 has had reflux since birth. She has never had any trouble gaining weight but it was affecting her sleep. We tried 3 different medicines and no help. Some made it much worse. We went to a chiropractor etc... Then I found out about food intolerances and sleep patterns.

I eliminated dairy first w/dd - no change. Then tried wheat - no change. Then I just decided to do the total elimination diet and it that made things WORSE! We finally went to a naturopath and allergy specialist. He gave us enzymes and did muscle testing and lo and behold that's what worked!

I know many people are skeptical of kinesiology. (I myself was too and if I did not experience this myself I wouldn't have believed it.) This testing showed dd was *allergic* to rice, broccoli, and other things. Funny, all I was eating on the TED was rice, broccoli and turkey! No wonder!

I know the TED works for many people and I'm not saying don't try it. I'm just grateful we've found something that seems to be working. The enzymes I think are the key. Both dd and I are taking them. JaneS can tell you more about this!

Anyway, check these pics. Here is dd (taken 1/4) when she wasn't sleeping before all of this. And here she is yesterday.
(Last night she only woke TWICE! Oh, and we've been off all meds for weeks now!)
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Wow Annikate! She looks much better!
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I know! I'm so glad I took that picture that day even though it makes me to see it. And this change has taken place in only a month's time!
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So, the Kaufman diet sounds a lot like the paleo diet, only with some dairy in it and limited fruit. What is the reasoning behind the fruit limitations? What are you supposed to eat instead of grains if you don't eat beans? Just nuts? Interesting that beans are not allowed, but seeds are -- wonder what the different reasonings are? I know SCD considers seeds to be very irritating.
As far as veggies, can you sneak some into a smoothie? I would cook them first for digestibility. Also, what about a stir fry? DS seems to like veggies better that way than steamed.
I hadn't thought of it being like the paleo diet, but you're right. I think the reasoning behind the fruit thing is the same as the yeast connection diet. And beans, some grains and fruits are added back in after the initial phase of the diet. The Kaufmann diet appeals to me because I feel much better when I don't eat grains or beans.

I will definitely have to try sneaking veggies in smoothies. I was thinking of pureeing some veggies as a sauce over chicken or whatever. We'll see.
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From last mo.'s thread:

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Anyone done both a total elimination diet and SCD? How did you start? Isn't it usually like rice and chicken or turkey?
I would substitute squashes for the grains to stay SCD and not give the bacteria anything to feed on while you eliminate the top 8 allergens: dairy, peanuts, tree nuts, fish, shellfish, eggs, soy and wheat.

There are a lot of vegetables you can have, even if you want to avoid the nightshades at first too: tomatoes, peppers, eggplant. Fruits: peaches and pears and best to start with, cooked.

Check out the food chart at www.pecanbread.com under Food Prep section for easiest to digest foods too, and all cooked fruits/veggies first.
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Thanks for the TED advice even though I posted my query on the old thread; I will think about it. Squash is yummy to me, ds and dh won't eat it, but I can make other things for them. Cutting out nuts will be hardest, of course, since they're the thing I bake with. But I do have a feeling they aren't agreeing with me, particularly cashews and peanuts. Walnuts have always given me migraines, so I've avoided those for years now. I don't know my insurance will cover kinesiology, and if not, we wouldn't be able to afford it. I looked into blood tests for food intolerance, and they are very expensive and not covered by insurance. Sigh.

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Jen,

Cashews and peanuts are harder to digest. Pecans I think are easiest according to Pecanbread. You may also do better soaking the nuts to remove phytates which hamper digestive enzymes.
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Here's a good reason why it's so hard to change intestinal flora...

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Human beings, like all animals, play host to many types and high numbers of microbes on our skin, in our mouths, in women's vaginal tracts, and all the way through our gastrointestinal tract. In fact, it has been estimated that there are more microbes associated with the human body (about 10 14, or 100,000,000,000,000 bacterial cells) than there are human cells in it (about 10 13). In addition to this very large number of bacteria, there also is a very large diversity of bacteria. It has been estimated that more than 400 different species, or types, of bacteria make their homes on humans.

http://www.usprobiotics.org/basics/
10 14 means 10 to the 14th
10 13 is 10 to the 13th.

Now I can add these fancy facts to my rants about the importace of probiotics!
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BTW, & OT:
Jane I finally clicked on your siggy links & ds is adorable!
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Thank you Annikate, as my mother used to say, in the midst of his colicky periods... well the good lord made him so cute for a reason! He does have cute working for him at least.
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I still have a vaginal yeast infection myself, and ds and I still have dark circles under our eyes after 4 months on the diet. I feel like this diet is not working for us, which is why I thought I'd try an elimination diet, at least for myself, maybe cut out eggs and dairy for ds (but only after he eats all our 24 hour yogurt, lol).

I guess I'm also kind of reeling because I recently found out I have peridontal disease, which according to what I've read can be caused by food intolerances (the immune system reacting to the food in your gums). (I also have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is what triggered my search in the first place, along with ds's symptoms -- see http://www.pcosliving.com/cure_pcos_page3.html# ) I know the food intolerance=inflammation thing is newish, but it totally made sense to me immeditely, even though I couldn't really explain it to anyone, even dh. Sigh.

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Hi all,
I've been watching these threads for a little while (and been overwhelmed by the prospect of reading them!). I was just diagnosed with c.diff infection (diarrhea and cramps for 6 mo.) and JaneS replied to my post about it and suggested SCD. I'm not sure if I can manage it, but anyway I'll be lurking a little trying to pick up some info and tips from you all!
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Hi mamas!

I've been lurking off and on, b/c we haven't started the diet yet : In fact, when we do start the diet, we are going to try the MD first, and if need be, the SCD.

I just wanted to jump in and report that Thai Coconut milk now has soy lecitin added to it : I'm beyond pissed. The cans w/the black top that say "Thai Kitchen" on it are safe, but the new cans have a gold colored top. There is another brand of organic coconut milk (green container), so I'm going to order them from my co-op by the case. And I make the best damn coconut milk yogurt w/my progurt starter

Also, Jane, I remember reading somewhere that you wanted some chicken pox for your lil' guy. I'm in VT, and we have them now. I thought you were in MA.

Okay, carry on
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Amy, if you don't mind, would you please tell me how you make your coconut milk yogurt? I've been trying to figure it out. I actually made some Thursday, but it didn't set at all. I probably did it wrong.
Here's what I did, and please anyone feel free to give constructive criticism.
I heated 1 can of thai coconut milk and 1 tsp honey in a double boiler. I never could get it to heat to 180, though--only got it up to about 160. I cooled it to around 110 and added 16 capsules of probiotics. I then incubated it in the crockpot, turning it on low for about 10 min every 45 min. I know I got it too hot at least twice. I finally gave up after 9 hours and put it in the fridge. It doesn't taste bad, but it's very runny. I am planning to use it as a partial milk replacement when I make waffles later today.
The crockpot method was a huge pita for me. Of course, it didn't help that I started in the evening. I have since bought a yogurt maker to try the next time.
Do you think a yogurt starter would be better than probiotics? I used the NOW brand. I wanted something dairy-free. I just did a search for progurt and see that it's dairy free so I could try that.
Please give me any advice you can.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi everyone,

I am back after a long hiatus. For those that don't know me, my exclusively bfed dd had ezcema at age 5 mo which I cured by going on an elimination diet (with Jane S's help). She seemed to react to dairy and chocolate in my diet. Anyway, slowly I have added those back into my diet and she no longer develops ezcema, even though now at 18 mo she still bf's a lot.

I've had a lot of bloating for a long time. I was on antibiotics for about a month total not long after she was born for first a breast infection and then retained placenta. At one point in trying to get the good bacteria in my system, I ate some bad homemade "cultured vegetables" and had gut pain and diarhea for 2 days, after which the bloating got worse.

Not being completely sold on the SCD, I went to a nutritionist who is also supposed to be a medical intuitive, and he told me that by looking at me (then he "proved" it using muscle testing) that I didn't have yeast but that I wasn't digesting my foods properly because I wasn't making enough hydrocholic acid. He gave me that to take-one pill w/ each meal and some "plant enzymes" he developed to take at each meal. He also told me to take "greens First," a powdered green drink you mix w/ water. He also told me I didn't have to change my diet.

Well, that didn't seem to help, and the green drink seemed to be bloating me. I went to a naturopath who referred me for a "Live Blood Analysis." This is where a drop of your blood is taken and placed under a microscope, and the image is projected onto a video screen so you can see it. The person who did it is a nutritionist and she has years of experience w/ the live blood analysis. Anyway, she saw the yeast/fungus right away. She also spotted other nutritional deficiencies that are likely causing my body to not produce enough digestive enzymes or HCL. Then, we were almost done with our consultation when she spotted a fluke/tapeworm like thing swimming along! Oh my God, I have parasites too! That was a wake up. So much for the psychic nutritionist. Now I had proof of what was happening!

I'm on a candida diet, and am taking enzymes, molybdenum (trace mineral), a homeopathic yeast/fungal remedy, oregano pills (for the parasites) and magnesium-helps with chocolate cravings, sleep, and I'm likely deficient in it. A week later, I got DD's blood tested, which looks good except for yeast, and she says that travels through the breastmilk. She said it should clear up if I give her enzymes and probiotics-and, of course, if I stop reinfecting her. DH got his blood tested too, and he has yeast and gall bladder issues-something which she figured out that the regular doctors couldn't-they thought it was his liver.

Anyway, I'm happy I found her. I have to stay on the diet a month, then get my blood retested. It has been a bit of a challenge so far. When I'm upset or emotionally triggered I run for the chocolate. So, I've been going to Overeaters Anonymous-which is for anyone who compulsively eats.

Has anyone else had a live blood anaylsis done? How's everyone else doing? I hope well!
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Hi all,
How do you know if you have yeast issues? I mean do they always have to be apparent & obvious? I don't think dd or I do but after reading about Sarah's experience, I wonder.

BTW Sarah, I would LOVE to have that blood testing done for myself and dd! And boy, can I relate to the chocolate craving. Ice cream too.

mavery - you reminded me: I had c.diff about 10 years ago. I remember that yucky feeling! I've actually had intestinal issues since surgery at birth. No wonder this is all starting to make perfect sense to me!

Jane - I tried acidophilous (only once) because it made me so bloated. Is it supposed to do that?
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I still have a vaginal yeast infection myself, and ds and I still have dark circles under our eyes after 4 months on the diet. I feel like this diet is not working for us, which is why I thought I'd try an elimination diet, at least for myself, maybe cut out eggs and dairy for ds (but only after he eats all our 24 hour yogurt, lol).

I guess I'm also kind of reeling because I recently found out I have peridontal disease, which according to what I've read can be caused by food intolerances (the immune system reacting to the food in your gums). (I also have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is what triggered my search in the first place, along with ds's symptoms -- see http://www.pcosliving.com/cure_pcos_page3.html# ) I know the food intolerance=inflammation thing is newish, but it totally made sense to me immeditely, even though I couldn't really explain it to anyone, even dh. Sigh.
UGH....

This says to me that you need some minerals. I would look to adding things rather than taking more out unless you do a challenge. DS's circles disappeared on a multi mineral supplement (one for kids, from BrainChild).

Not sure I buy the allergy theory in total ... my reading tells me it is nutritionally based. But then again, if you have an allergy it does reduce the amount of nutrients you can absorb by damaging the gut! Are you taking cod liver oil? That is excellent for inflammation.

It's possible that the PD could be taxing your immune system so much that you cannot recover?

I also wonder that if your pancreas is stressed from overproducing insulin, that it effects the production of digestive enzymes? just speculating here.

How is DS otherwise?
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I've been watching these threads for a little while (and been overwhelmed by the prospect of reading them!). I was just diagnosed with c.diff infection (diarrhea and cramps for 6 mo.) and JaneS replied to my post about it and suggested SCD. I'm not sure if I can manage it, but anyway I'll be lurking a little trying to pick up some info and tips from you all!
try to read as much as you can, we were talking vegetarian SCD a while back, you can do a search too.
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I just wanted to jump in and report that Thai Coconut milk now has soy lecitin added to it : I'm beyond pissed. The cans w/the black top that say "Thai Kitchen" on it are safe, but the new cans have a gold colored top. There is another brand of organic coconut milk (green container), so I'm going to order them from my co-op by the case. And I make the best damn coconut milk yogurt w/my progurt starter

Also, Jane, I remember reading somewhere that you wanted some chicken pox for your lil' guy. I'm in VT, and we have them now. I thought you were in MA.

Okay, carry on
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Oh you are so nice to remember us! Except I'm scared though!! Just now while DS seems to be doing okay and gradually improving bit by bit, I so don't want to mess anything up. ARGH. There was I thread in Vacc. I think about the optimum age, gonna go check that out...

How's the CP going?

There are instuctions to make coconut milk on www.Pecanbread.com but I imagine coconuts are not easy to come by in VT
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I just wanted to jump in and report that Thai Coconut milk now has soy lecitin added to it : I'm beyond pissed. The cans w/the black top that say "Thai Kitchen" on it are safe, but the new cans have a gold colored top. There is another brand of organic coconut milk (green container), so I'm going to order them from my co-op by the case. And I make the best damn coconut milk yogurt w/my progurt starter

Also, Jane, I remember reading somewhere that you wanted some chicken pox for your lil' guy. I'm in VT, and we have them now. I thought you were in MA.

Okay, carry on
Amy
Oh you are so nice to remember us! Except I'm scared though!! Just now while DS seems to be doing okay and gradually improving bit by bit, I so don't want to mess anything up. ARGH. There was I thread in Vacc. I think about the optimum age, gonna go check that out...

How's the CP going?

There are instuctions to make coconut milk on www.Pecanbread.com from shredded coconut I think?
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Hi mamas!

I've been lurking off and on, b/c we haven't started the diet yet : In fact, when we do start the diet, we are going to try the MD first, and if need be, the SCD.

I just wanted to jump in and report that Thai Coconut milk now has soy lecitin added to it : I'm beyond pissed. The cans w/the black top that say "Thai Kitchen" on it are safe, but the new cans have a gold colored top. There is another brand of organic coconut milk (green container), so I'm going to order them from my co-op by the case. And I make the best damn coconut milk yogurt w/my progurt starter

Also, Jane, I remember reading somewhere that you wanted some chicken pox for your lil' guy. I'm in VT, and we have them now. I thought you were in MA.

Okay, carry on

Amy
did you know you can buy Organic Coconut cream concentrate and make your own fresh coconut milk? I buy Organic cocoun oil from this company and I also have the cream concentrate - it's yammy!!! You can make LOTS of coconut milk from one quart of concentrate. I use it as a base for soups or into stir frys as well.
http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/co...oncentrate.htm
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Do you think a yogurt starter would be better than probiotics? I used the NOW brand. I wanted something dairy-free. I just did a search for progurt and see that it's dairy free so I could try that.
We have Progurt from www.GIProHealth.com and it's a really nice starter...and dairy free. The yogurt is not very tart like acidophilus yogurt (it is L. casei instead).

The maker will probably help, although the oven method is all I use now.
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The person who did it is a nutritionist and she has years of experience w/ the live blood analysis. Anyway, she saw the yeast/fungus right away. She also spotted other nutritional deficiencies that are likely causing my body to not produce enough digestive enzymes or HCL. Then, we were almost done with our consultation when she spotted a fluke/tapeworm like thing swimming along! Oh my God, I have parasites too! That was a wake up. So much for the psychic nutritionist. Now I had proof of what was happening!

I'm on a candida diet, and am taking enzymes, molybdenum (trace mineral), a homeopathic yeast/fungal remedy, oregano pills (for the parasites) and magnesium-helps with chocolate cravings, sleep, and I'm likely deficient in it. A week later, I got DD's blood tested, which looks good except for yeast, and she says that travels through the breastmilk. She said it should clear up if I give her enzymes and probiotics-and, of course, if I stop reinfecting her. DH got his blood tested too, and he has yeast and gall bladder issues-something which she figured out that the regular doctors couldn't-they thought it was his liver.
OMG!!!

It's lovely to "see" you but yikes, you poor thing, I'm all creepy crawly reading this!

I once visited CureZone and got scared out of my wits with the possibilities of parasites and all sorts of stuff. Shudder.

What kind of diet are you on? Is it working?

I think "yeast" is kind of a catch all term... not that it's not a widespread issue, it is, but you and Mavery are showing that there could be other things going on in addition.

Why just molybdenum and not other minerals? Did you do any kind of testing? I'm just giving DS a complete mineral supplement rather than go thru testing, it seems to be okay, but of course all this sometimes is such a shot in the dark.
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How do you know if you have yeast issues? I mean do they always have to be apparent & obvious? I don't think dd or I do but after reading about Sarah's experience, I wonder.

BTW Sarah, I would LOVE to have that blood testing done for myself and dd! And boy, can I relate to the chocolate craving. Ice cream too.

mavery - you reminded me: I had c.diff about 10 years ago. I remember that yucky feeling! I've actually had intestinal issues since surgery at birth. No wonder this is all starting to make perfect sense to me!

Jane - I tried acidophilous (only once) because it made me so bloated. Is it supposed to do that?
Well I obviously had yeast issues for a long time causing the gas and bloating but didnt' know it b/c I never had vaginal or skin y.i. or anything. But got thrush when bf'ing several times when I ate a lot of sugar.

If you had c. diff before it's very likely to come back again. How did you know you had it and how did you get rid of it before?

(I'm simply blown away by the fact that there's now 2 of us here with c. diff histories!!)

The bloating when taking acidophilus is probably because of die off.... when the bad critters get run out by the good guys, they die and release a lot of toxins. It's called the Herxheimer reaction.
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It's possible that the PD could be taxing your immune system so much that you cannot recover?
Or the other way around the PD developed b/c of a suppressed immune system and not enough mineral absorption.

Have you seen my post "Curing Cavities with Nutrition" in Dental, have I said that yet? (Please forgive me if I'm a broken record, I forget who I tell what to! )

Also I don't know much about periodontal disease, but gargling with sodium ascorbate solution several times/day including right before bed really helped a few pockets of gingavitis I developed from skipping a few back teeth that were tough to floss.
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MT's thread over in Vaccinations is a must read:

Nutrition/Immunology 101.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=406983

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The "nutrition" that I'm interested in, is what is the important nutrition in terms of the immune system.

That can translate back to vaccines too, because if you chose to vaccinate, there are certain things you should know, one of which is that there are different immune responses to vaccines, depending on the food your baby gets.

The babies who seroconvert worst to vaccines are babies fed soy formula.

Next worst is casein based formula.

Best is breast-milk.

I want this stickied so that it can be easily found, and also so that its always in front of people's eyes, because its a fundamental.

Here are the basics foundational statements, and whatever else I put up will stem from there.

1) A baby's developing immune system depends on what a mother puts into her mouth. The fetus can only use what is left over after your body has removed what it needs for you.

2) Your immune system depends on what you put in your mouth. And if you don't get that right, then you can't expect to have a healthy baby.

3) Contrary to common cloned mindsets, the basis of immunity isn't antibodies. That's the end point, and in the grand scheme of things the least important of the lot.

4) The foundation of the immune system is the instestinal tract composing, hopefully, of the right gut flora which is important because it is your first defence system for anything either eaten or breathed in.

It is also responsible for absorbing minerals, and making and processing certain B vitamins.

Without a properly "stocked" gut flora you are behind the eight-ball before you even start.

And for babies this is crucial.
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Oh you are so nice to remember us! Except I'm scared though!! Just now while DS seems to be doing okay and gradually improving bit by bit, I so don't want to mess anything up. ARGH. There was I thread in Vacc. I think about the optimum age, gonna go check that out...

How's the CP going?

There are instuctions to make coconut milk on www.Pecanbread.com from shredded coconut I think?
Jane, it is purely for selfish reasons, I assure you. To pick your brain for a full 3-4 hrs would be, easily, the highlight of my year.

So far pox are puny My older son has teeny lil' spots on him and the baby has one spot on him that I found a couple of hrs ago. I'm really thinking my children are a lot healthier than I gave them credit for. Not discounting the yeast problem....ooopps, did I say that, I'm in denial presently

And I don't know what you are talking about, I have 3 coconut trees in my back yard

Pavlina, I am so all over that concentrate thing. My friend is a manager at my co-op and she is going to see if she can get it for me there, otherwise I'll buy it online. It will probably save me tons of $. THANK YOU!! (I am still pissed at Thai Kitchen though )

And my coconut yogurt recipe, mlleoiseau. Very simple. But, I also think that I do not have high hopes, b/c I expect it to be a lil' runny. But if you were to purchase the concentrate stuff that Pavlina recommended, I'm sure you could make it thicker.

I use 3 cans of coconut milk. Feel free to use 4-5 cans of just the fatty stuff, and a teeny amt of the water. But that gets expensive, so I make do. Heat 3 cans to boiling. Cool to 120. Add my 1/8 tsp of the progurt starter (no dairy, no soy, no nothing), pour into my lil' containers for my yogurt maker---which one is is, I think I got the one Jane had, Euro--something. I prop the lid on two sides about 2 inches. This gives me yogurt at about 100 degrees. I end up leaving it for at least 24, sometimes 36 hrs. It is tart. But, I still find it really My son will not eat it though (will in a smoothie).

Is Moneca still around?

And, please be honest w/me if this has been discussed and you want me to actually search for it, I am very drawn towards the maker's diet as opposed to the SCD. The MD just makes more sense *to me* in my head. Why has the SCD become the standard? Just curious.

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