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Old 04-25-2006, 02:00 AM
 
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I have been taking Candidase for almost a week and have a few new "symptoms" and am wondering if they are related. The rash (yeasty) on my underarms is worse and I have constant "cotton mouth". Is this things getting worse before getting better? Any suggestions?
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Caedmyn-pascalite clay! It will absorb and transport all the nastiness and clear things out for you. It really minimizes the reaction. I have posted alot about it on this thread (whenever anyone asks about die-off) it's very safe and relatively cheap-about $10 for a pound. It's something else I always have on hand. It's a calcium based (as opposed to sodium based) clay. IT's great for MANY things, but die off, diarrhea and vomitting are the top ones in my book. It's fabulous. Different than bentonite, so google it and find the specific "brand."

unfortunately the one thing you can count on is things getting worse before they get better! Are you doing anything topically for the rash to make yourself more comfortable?
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Well, I was using some topical yeast cream, but I can't really tell if it has helped at all. I also used TTO diluted in distilled water, but it didn't do much either. The general dampness of my underarms makes it worse, so changing shirts often is helpful. Plus I am stinky because it's hot now. Any ideas? I quit using any sort of deoderant.
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I honestly don't work for or profit from them in any way...but pascalite. IT really is a multi tasker. IT will absorb any dampness and smell, and is quite healing to skin. On dd's yeast rashes (when we had them) I sprayed colloidal silver, let it dry and then sprinkled pascalite clay. Works every time! I doscovered this wheh TTO stopped working. IT has never failed us.
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firefaery--do you take baths w/the clay or how do you use it? Also, what type of cultured foods did you eat once you were done with the probiotics? Like NT style stuff, ginger carrots, etc?
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I honestly don't work for or profit from them in any way...but pascalite. IT really is a multi tasker. IT will absorb any dampness and smell, and is quite healing to skin. On dd's yeast rashes (when we had them) I sprayed colloidal silver, let it dry and then sprinkled pascalite clay. Works every time! I doscovered this wheh TTO stopped working. IT has never failed us.
Cool. I have read about it a few times here, but didn't really absorb it because of product and information overload
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Did anyone ever mention what to do for kidney and liver support?
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Hi Everyone! Wow, this is a long thread I'm subbing, though, and hope that maybe I can find a little guidance here...

A little background: I've had eczema all of my life, and have had several allergy tests, and my allergies seem to change over the years...Anyhow, it's really bad right now, and my dermatologist has said that there's really nothing else he can do for me

I'm nursing right now, and he seems to be always stuffy. Like, last night, I had to have him sleep in his carrier so that his head was really elevated. It breaks my heart.

My oldest is a very spirited child, and has a lot of issues with his anger. He will just scream at the very top of his lungs sometimes for no reason. He has a hard time concentrating, and just seems unhappy quite a bit.

My middle child has, since birth, had off and on problems with gas. I mean, awful gas, that smells like rotten eggs. When he is having a gas problem, he'll burp about every 5-10 minutes. He and his older brother also have a problem with occasional diarrhea for no apparent reason, that clears up.

I really feel we have gut issues. I just don't know where to start!! We don't have the $$ to go see a specialist, and the research is great, but a lot of it is hard for me to follow along...

Anyone have advice for where the best place for us to start might be?
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re: pascalite. Depends on what it's for. I've never bathed in it...I have used it as a poultice, or as a deoderant-I brush my teeth with it, use it on insect bites, as a facial mask, as a supplement. Depends what you need. For the underarm thing, I just put a bit in my palm and rub it in as needed

Yup-NT style cultured foods. My favorite is saurkraut, but Jane has posted some yummy recipes on the SCD recipe thread.

There are many things for liver and kidney support-depends on your situation (whether you're nursing or pregnant, on any meds, what the support is for etc.)
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Sorry Caedmyn-that was less than specific. For die off you do it as a supplement. Maybe 3 times a day (if you feel that you need that much) in a bit of water. I never did more than that, never felt I needed to.
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Hey Mamas,

Question? Or 3.

We are doing SCD w/fanatical adherence. I'm doing great, until I had a tincture made w/gluten containing alcohol, sigh. So, looks like I'm back at the beginning again.

My 4 yr old, seems to be making no progress whatsoever. And he is the one I'm most worried about. He nurses and I think that might be a "problem" for the killing of the beasties. He poops once a day, always soft, not diarrhea, perse, but soft. Always comes out like a long snake until the end when it loses even the snake form and just has a lil' pile of it in the toilet. Obviously he streaks the toilet every time. His cheeks are red often (not sure if its the enzymes or not--although we haven't been fanatical about them at all), and he has a big ol' red and painful ring around his anus. We've tried the diet w/no fruit and honey for up to a week w/him, and still, nada w/the cheeks and bum. We've discussed stopping b/fing for a time as well as stopping fruit and honey, and being fanatical about the enzymes----he is very open to this. He wants to stop being so limited. Thoughts?

Should I be using enzymes before I eat yogurt? I always have this picture in my mind of the enzymes eating all the good bacteria---whadda you think?

Any problem w/mixing the 3 houston's together and just giving yourself a scoop of that mixture????

Oh, and I really want to start taking something for my cancer. The problem, the 2 supplements I'm looking at both have illegials, rice bran, maltodextrin and the like. I need some guidance on this one. According to Patient Heal Thyself, Rubin recommends staying away from grains for 6-12 months for those w/celiac disease, so I'm hesitant to try anything w/rice bran in it. And maltodextrin??? I know that is corn based, isn't it sugar??? Here's the 2 supplements I'm looking at:


http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/detail_rm10.shtml#whats Click on the lil' link under the bottle for ingredient info.

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http://www.newchapter.info/product/m...=32895&-search The ingredients include organic alcohol in addition to the brown rice, so that might be grain alcohol and out anyway

or

http://www.newchapter.info/product/m...=32875&-search

Love some thoughts. Oh, and I have found the RM-10 for $60 for 2 bottles of 120 capsules on eBay, so totally affordable. And the New Chapter is much less.

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Oh, someone was talking about selenium. I'm taking a lot of raw organic garlic every day and evidentally that is a GREAT source of selenium.
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So if just taking garlic everyday (I am doing that for yeast) how much is a good enough amount for enough selenium. basically do I need to supplement when eating selenium rich foods. I imagane I still should since I live in Michigan where is is deficient.

Any thoughts?
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http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp

Just a lil' fact sheet. I haven't found real numbers about garlic in my Susun Weed book, and funny enough, garlic wasn't even mentioned in the aforementioned link? All she says is when speaking of garlic, "Unusually rich in anti-tumor elements selenium and germanium, garlic also contains an abundance of antioxidants, isoflavones, and allyl sulfides."

I know that it has to be organic though. Conventional garlic has very low levels of selenium. I'm thinking that this is because selenium is found in the soil and conventional farming rapes the soil of nutrients. I'm thinking that I'd like to take a road trip to Nebraska though and bringing home a truckfull of soil and replacing my Vermont soil w/it. Either there or the Dakotas
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probably depends on where the garlic is grown. the soil where i live has no selenium.

brazil nuts are the best source of selenium that i know of.

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Jane, has your ds's stomach acid been tested? I was just thinking the other day that maybe part of his problem might be low stomach acid. Both B12 and niacin are necessary for stomach acid, but stomach acid is required to absorb them (catch 22). If he doesn't have a yeast problem, you could give him apple cider vinegar to increase his stomach acid (not sure how much with a little one). Oh, and congratulations on your own success, I wish I were there! What brands of CLO are best? I tried the Blue Ice, and ds hated the taste. He likes Nordic Naturals, but it's low in vitamin A and anyway the peach flavor that he likes is probably illegal. Sigh. I also wish I could find a good enzyme that wouldn't make him hyper!

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hi guys. we're still muddling along, and i am hopelessly behind on the thread.

our newest problem--bloody diaper rash. it is horrible! i'm thinking perhaps it is the enzymes i'm taking--they pee it out and it irritates? has this happened to any breastfeeding mamas? so i'm stopping the enzymes (and i've been taking miniscule amounts since they made me feel funny--like i think i've taken 3.5 over 4 or 5 days).

we have been nothing but sick since starting 3 weeks ago, but in the past few days (when i restarted the diet yet again because i had given too much banana and cooked fruit too soon--SOMEONE NEEDS TO REWRITE THIS BOOK FOR CLARITY!)...in the past few days, MAJOR MOOD IMPROVEMENT! the girls have learned how to give real kisses and they are finally relaxing into me like i always thought they should.

but does anyone have thoughts about the rash? the skin is just raw and bleeding. one dd had it much worse==her labia were so swollen i almost took her to the doctor (but i realized i wouldn't give her any meds they suggested so...). man, i can't wait til i have only good news to report! and when i can eat some applesauce.

BTW--i'm reading sugar blues by william dufty right now, and it's making this diet make a lot of sense. i highly recommend it.

also--48 hour yogurt i s so much better than 24--yummers.

hope you all are doing ok!
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Oh mama, my dd has had horrible diaper rashes several times. I have some blasphemy (mdc blasphemy anyhow ) to recommend. Switch to disposables for a few days (if you aren't already), put some of that 48 hour yogurt on it, let them go naked, lots of baths with naked time afterward. those rashes have mama's feeling soooo bad
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Hi mama's. Haven't caught up yet.

I wanted to post. I read an article in The New Yorker about I think it was Crohns and how it is caused by a bacteria found in milk! Some study found that virtually 100% of people with crones had this one particular, very difficult to culture bacteria living in their gut. I thought that it totally validates BTVC. Of course it implicates milk instead of implicating the farming that put the bacteria there.

My parents were visiting for the past 12 days. My mom thinks she has Celiacs and so does her GI Dr but her tests came out neg. She followed scd at our house and now thinks that she may start following it, but she is scared of the work involved. I also got my dad converted to the wonders of raw milk and convinced him that he shouldn't eat any more cereal. He has eaten cereal every morning for many, many years and really, really likes it. I was shocked!

I've been getting something that isn't agreeing with me every single morning. I'm not sure if it is the candidase I try to take when I get up, the coffee we had every day, or possibly eggs are finally getting to me. With my parents gone I won't be having coffee everyday anymore so that hopefully will clear it up.

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I have a question for the SCD guru's onboard. If constipation is the issue and not diarrhea, is it necessary to do the intro diet? I dont know if ds will eat anything on the intro diet, to be honest.

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Yes the intro diet is a good idea for constipation too. It gives you a clean slate to start introducing foods from and will make it really clear what foods you can tolerate and what ones you can't. Have you gone to pecan bread and seen the ideas on how to get a picky eater to eat the foods?

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Did anyone ever mention what to do for kidney and liver support?
I don't know if this is exactly liver support...more liver/kidney/gallbladder healing...but MT in Vaccinations posted this website on a thread and it looks pretty interesting. www.sensiblehealth.com

firefaery--I know you take the vitamineral green...have you ever looked at how the Garden of Life perfect food compares to it? They both sound pretty good, but the GoL one is a bit cheaper and also is available more places so I could get it when I order other supplements and save on shipping.
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It just tastes a wee bit better. I like them both alot though.
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AmyD, I think the best enzyme/yogurt timing is, take the enzymes before a meal, then do the yogurt after the meal, when the stomach PH is lowest and the enzymes have mostly been used up on the food. If you're wanting to take enzymes to kill beasties, though, you'd take them on an empty stomach, and yogurt would not be something you'd combine with them. So, in that case you would take the enzymes like two or three hours after a meal. As far as the supplements, I'm not sure. I know enzymes are supposed to be great for people with cancer, but they take huge doses.

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so--just a warning--it was definitely the enzymes causing the rash. i didn't even give th girls any directly. but i wonder why no,one else had a similiar experience. is anyone else nursing a babe in diapers and taking enzymes? did the enzymes somehow go thru too fast? or have i drawn the wrong conclusion? (and does anyone want to buy some enzymes? )
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Mehera, My nursing dd did not experience this. I'm sorry your babe did! My big dd has had some pretty awful diaper rashes though which I'm thinking were yeast related. I got her some acid mantle and that seemed to help more than anything else.

Wanted to share that I tried the spit test and nothing. Just a few bubbles on top which quickly dissapated. I'm going to try to get my dd1 to try the test too.

Patty, my mom is also here visiting. She could sure use the SCD! Instead though, my house has been filled with Eggo Waffles, Sweet white bread, potatoes and instead of eating my lunches, she's asked me to go through several drive-thrus this week. I'm trying not to be so judgemental but geez, I sure do notice the food choices others make much more than I ever did before. (I even study what people have in their shopping carts when I go to the grocery store.)
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Mehera,
I am nursing my guy in diapers and I have not had a problem with rashes. Sorry to hear that the girls are going through this! Hope you can pinpoint the cause and get them back on track quickly!
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I think I may be reacting to the enzymes.

I have been having a horrible stomach ache every day mid morning. Today it was really, really bad. I thought I was going to throw up. I felt fine after lunch, but lunch was just broth. After dinner it came back. I was thinking that it was coffee but I didn't have coffee today. Then I thought my suppliments but I didn't take any with supper. I didn't eat anything new for supper either. I'm thinking it is the enzymes. I'm going to try tomorrow enzyme free and see what happens. How am I ever going to get rid of this yeast if I can't tolerate those enzymes!!! Oh and dd has yeast all over her vulva today

As of this week it looks like she if officially no longer in diapers except for overnight!!! That should be good for her bottom.

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Ok, so I have waded through this for the past month and also spent a lot of time on the immunology 101 thread. I don't think I have major issues but think I may fit in here. I have mild acne, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, and am gassy/bloated all of the time. I think the anxiety and difficulty concentrating have a lot to do w/ my lack of sleep (poor sleeping 13 mo--maybe it is affecting him too) and lack of excercise. Anyway, I have been reading the various sites and one says that enzymes are a good place to start. However, after reading the past page I am a bit afraid of them! I was thinking I might start w/ enzymes (already doing probiotics and many of the suggested supplements). I loosely follow NT diet. What do you all think? I am pretty intimidated by going full force on the SCD right off due to expense and difficulty. I was thinking I would follow the suggestion of the enzyme stuff website to see if enzymes and probiotics did the trick (while sticking w/ a pretty good diet but not SCD). Thoughts? Suggestions for enzymes? I know I read a discussion on enzymes but couldn't find it.
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I've waited quite awhile before posting here.I've lurked and read for awhile,too-you all have a vast expanse of knowledge on these given topics...it's a little daunting!
I have 6 children;three of which we have adopted.Samuel is 4(5 in Sept.)and we brought him home to us when he was 3 months.he has Down Syndrome(he is one of two of our boys with Down Syndrome)We couldn't bring him home at birth because he was very ill.He had 4 gut surgeries in Boston before he was 3 months.He was born with Hirshprung's Disease.He then had duodenal stenosis AND duodenal atresia.He then had a kink and a loop in his intestine.He then became infected and his sutures wouldn't even hold his wound closed from all the repeat procedures(the first for the Hirshprung's was a pull thru procedure,however,through his bottom)
When they finally released him from Boston Childrens he only weighed 7 lbs at 3 months old.He also had a heart defect found at birth(Tetrology of Fallot)that they were having to watch.We brought him home--- and speed up to present day--succesful heart repair and no more gut surgeries.
Samuel is very independent and vivacious.He is healthy,seemingly,and I'm pretty anal(no pun ) about the kids nutrition.However,there is one ongoing issue that they(docs)are wanting to do surgery for and I just wonder if there's an alternative.Samuel poops constantly.I mean literally,there is ALWAYS poop in his diaper or at least in his bottom.He seems completely oblivious to it.There's no doubt in my mind that for the most part,he has no sensation of needing to poop.It is not loose like diahhrea at all.The texture changes from looser to thicker..but the one constant is it's very pasty,commonly grainy(looks like there's sand in it)and it has the strongest most acidic foul odor of any poop I've ever smelled.After a meal,the poop amount will increase,but there will still always be at least some poop.We have battled diaper rash,no-skin breakdown of burn proportions--since he was an infant.The only thing that works is every diaper change putting a layer of stomahesive powder on his rectum then Desitin over it.His stool seems so strong that if it were left on his bare skin it would burn it.
He is not "sick".Really,we could not do anything about this and he could just stay in diapers.I don't want that for him.I will say we've had one bout odf hospitalization for impactedness(roto rootered)and each time the GI even does a manual rectal he noteds impactedness.They want to do a colonic motility study to determine if there is any nerve life or not.Or I guess to figure out what exactly is the deal.He would be required to go through a grueling 24 hrs.of lying still with stuff up his *** and no sedation(not that I want that,but you know)I can't do it.Regardless of his delays,he's 4 yrs old!
I should add that although I'm careful about his nutrition(no sugar,no juice,no junk)probably his fave things are milk to drink and meat to eat!I've got him down to milk(organic 1%)only in the mornings but he begs for it still all day.He only drinks water besides the milk.
Sorry this is long.If anyone has ANY ideas...please and thank you ahead!
P.S. I should add that when he was repaired for the Hirshprung's,a significantly large portion of his intestine was removed.
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Well DD went 6 days without bloody poops (first time she's gone more than 3 days between them since they started) but then today she had bloody poop again I really hope this diet is going to help as I feel like we are accomplishing absolutely nothing. Her yeast rash is really bad today, too, due to her being in a wet diaper all night and then again during her 3 hour nap.

So...if DD's allergy symptoms are still there, does it mean A) she's allergic to something I'm still eating or B) she/I just haven't healed enough for the symptoms to go away?

And I'm having stomach cramps every couple of days. Does anyone know if they're more likely to be related to die-off or to not tolerating new foods? They don't really seem to coincide with introducing new foods--if they are it takes 18 hours or more to have an effect.
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