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#31 of 522 Old 04-03-2006, 09:42 PM
 
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Rollcall: I am am 29 and have been suffering from systemic candida since i was 16 after being on antibiotics and being on a high carbohydrate vegetarian/vegan diet. That is 13 years(almost 14)! I have 2 dd's (3.5 and 1.5 years old). This year they the eldest has had chronic ear infections (5 over the winter) and dd#2 has had one ear infection. Both of them had one course each of antibiotics. We are seeing a chiropractic doctor for help with this.
Lately i have noticed that after each meal I get bloated and get stomache pains. Is this Leaky Gut? I have the dr. Mercola book and the NT book. I started fermenting - raw milk yogurt-12hr(turned out very bitter), sourkraut (wich tastes good but makes my teeth super sensitive after I eat it-very painful). The kraut is going on its 2nd week. I also made a beet kvass out of NT and it tastes awful. The digestion has improved when i eat and drink these things. I just need to eat them on a regular basis. I don't know if I could finish eating the kraut because of the teeth sensitivities - has anyone had this happen to them?

I have tried elimination diets but fail miserably. I just have no willpower over bread and sugar. My kids have a hard time too. They get offered it at school and from family who know that they are not supposed to have wheat and sugar.:

How does everyone else handle social situations/birthdays/holidays? Cravings? Dh's resistance and bringing junk food in the house? temptation? I have failed so many times, felt miserable and now believe that I will live with this all my life. Is there an AA type program for this? Candidiases Anonymous? A 12 step program would realy be helpful. I realy don't want my girls to struggle like I am.

My kids are also very small. When dd#1 was 1.5y.o. she was classified as failure to thrive. She was 19lbs. My dd#2 got weighed last month at the hospital when she went in for breathing problems and ear infection and was 18lbs. They did not classify her as failure to thrive because she was sick. But it sure freaked me out! Both of them eat yogurt and clo, they did not seem to have any allergies as long as they ate the yogurt and i just figured that since both girls are small that it must be just as they are. Now I am a bit worried. Amanda do you have more info on the zinc study?

Also, what is DCCC?

Thank you for all great information and support!
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Hello to all the new people here!

I am 39 and mom to 2 dds: a 2.5 year old and 1 year old on April 10th!

I found out about healing the gut through searching for a reason why dd2 would NOT sleep. I refused to believe that it was "just her nature" as so many people suggested. : I mean really, how many *healthy* newborns sleep for only 5 hours (total - not consecutive) in a 24 hour period?

Dd also would get dark circles under her eyes, red swollen eyes, and little red bumps underneath them. I KNEW it was related to food. I tried eliminating dairy, tried the total elimination diet, tried chiropractors, applied kinesiology, mainstream drugs (for dds reflux), I tried, tried, tried.

It wasn't until our chiro/naturpath suggested enzymes for dds *allergies* and said both dds stomach and mine were weak that I began to delve more into this. JaneS posted once to a thread of mine not to think of it as food allergies, but to think of it as not being able to absorb/digest.

Well, all of a sudden it clicked. I'd had GI issues actually since birth when I had a rare type of intestinal thing (duodenal atresia) and had surgery for it. Since then I'd been diagnosed w/diverticulitis, IBS . . . but never really thought much of it. 'Til now.

BTW, dd2 really does have a *real* allergy to wheat/gluten so thank goodness we started the SCD about 3 weeks before we went to see her allergist. The improvements in her are nothing short of amazing. And despite having little sleep and even less excersice, I feel great. On the days I feel like my butt's dragging, I can look back and pinpoint it to something I ate but was not ready for yet.

I've got dh and dd1 doing this with me too. (Well, dh's diet is a bit modified. )
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Caedmyn: correct. Anytime food is heated above the 118 degree mark enzymes begin to die. Grains that you buy preground are never living food, whole grains can be made "live" by soaking and sprouting them. Cooking them, however, will destroy those enzymes. This is the traditional reason for consuming things like salads or fermented foods before a meal-gets enzymes going putting less of a stress on the body. Live foods take a major load off the pancreas and help with out of control insulin levels. Eating raw food before eating cooked food will help.
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OK, sorry if this sounds completly stupid, but how do you know if you have a systemic yeast problem, leaky gut, etc? Please someone point me in the right direction. My 1y/o DS has a reoccuring yeast rash and maybe this is the problem.
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Don't have much time tonight, back tom... work and IL's bogging me down.

but reading the roll call has been AMAZING! How many common themes we all have. Great idea Mehera

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OK, sorry if this sounds completly stupid, but how do you know if you have a systemic yeast problem, leaky gut, etc? Please someone point me in the right direction. My 1y/o DS has a reoccuring yeast rash and maybe this is the problem.
Not all all stupid question!!
Mostly digestive issues but also many other, see here:

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Symptoms of leaky gut syndrome may include:

• aggression • anxiety • asthma • atypical sensory reactions • bed-wetting • bladder infections • bloating or gas • chronic joint, muscle, or abdominal pain • confusion • diarrhea or constipation • fatigue • fevers of unknown origin • fuzzy thinking or ‘brain fog’ • indigestion • memory problems • migraines • mood swings • nervousness • poor exercise tolerance • poor immunity • skin rashes
http://www.enzymestuff.com/conditionleakygut.htm
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Bad bacteria appears to be much easier to get rid of than yeast overgrowth. Bacteria is characterized by:

aggression, moodiness, irritability, 'anger' for no apparent reason
sleep problems but not with the inappropriate giggling or laughter
really foul smelling stools or body odor (we are talking incredible STENCH); bad breath; stinky sweat
ammonia odor
frequently occurs with constipation (infrequent painful stools, streaking/smearing in underwear, etc); see encopresis/chronic constipation...

With yeast, common indicators are:

yeast rashes somewhere else in the body: thrush on the tongue, athlete's food, vaginal irritation in girls/women
intense carbohydrate cravings
inappropriate uncontrollable sudden giggling or laughter (yeast by-products include alcohol so you get 'drunk-like' behavior particularly after eating carbs or sweets)
poor sleep, sleep waking at night
moodiness, emotionalism you don't have a reason for
odd behavior about 30 minutes after eating
http://www.enzymestuff.com/conditionbacteria.htm
Elaine Gottschall believes many people with gut issues have both yeast and bacterial problems and hence uses the term "microbes" a lot to encompass them all.

I think "yeast" can be a catch all term. Bacterial problems are not as well known as yeast b/c yeast has had the author Crook to popularize it, The Yeast Connection, etc.
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Jane-be very careful with zinc. Too much can be quite toxic. For a kiddo his age I don't think I'd be personally comfprtable with more than 10 mg a day.
Thanks, this is what he's getting in the Brainchild multi minerals so I'll just lay off the extra for now.

I swear NOTHING works with this child!!
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Another Jennifer, with thrush and yeast problems for years, amalgam fillings, PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome), depression which is seasonally affected, migraines, asthma (which is better off wheat), tinnitis. One precious ds, who turned three in Feb, who has thrush (white coating on tongue -- he had it almost constantly his first six months or so of life), along with attention problems and sensory integration problems and some autistic traits.

We've been doing SCD since October of last year. We saw some improvement right away (ds became more social, less fearful, potty trained himself - daytime only). Then the improvement slowed, and lately I've been really feeling like we need to do something more.

DS feasts on fruit, which I try to discourage but get nowhere. I hate to deny him stuff that is technically scd legal, but I feel like he's not getting enough nutrients eating mostly fruits. Sigh. For myself, I think that I need to cut out cow's milk of all kinds, as it seems to activate my asthma and gives me migraines. But it's so scary to think of how I would get my calcium, phosphorus, etc.

Jane, I have a feeling that Paradise Herbs Amla stuff would give me a migraine -- I think it's the tannins in walnuts and wine that give me migraines. Oh, bother!

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JaneS--I DON'T know your story--just what i've pieced together! but you can omit your age if you must.

a homepathy question--it is within the realm of "fanatical adherance" to use? nico's getting a molar so i'm liberal with the teething tabs. i'm taking ignatia and argentum to help combat the anxiety i am feeling with the diet.

patty--that's so awesome she likes fish oil! but she clearly wants fats, huh? i've given my nico butter straight! she eats it. her sister needs it more and will not eat it. when we can incorporate it, i'll be given them those frozen almond/coconut oil/honey conefctions i found a recipe for on the scd page. they love them! me too!

re: wondering if you've "got it"--in my developing opinion, i think a host of the complaints mamas have about their babes can be cured thru nutrition. there. i said it! (and it can't hurt to try! my girls got amazingly "better" after just taking bread from their diet!)
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Can I ask someone in the know some TMI questions about stool? I'd rather PM...
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Sorry I haven't been around. We've been following the SCD w/fanatical adhearence (was going to go w/MD, but being that I might have cancer, I just wanted to go straight to the SCD), and I've noticed, really, no change whatsoever

In the beginning, I had intense itchiness, but now, nothing. And w/the itchiness, I was off of sugars and grains, but not 100%, yk? We're doing Houston enzymes, yadda yadda. I'm supplementing w/CLO, flax seed oil, probiotics, doing 30hr raw goat yogurt, EV Coconut oil, all of it My 4 yr old, who is such the trooper and used to not being allowed to eat certain things for his life () is taking the enzymes no problem (:Puke) and has started eating meat w/the rest of us born-again vegans!! The only thing he has is that he has a huge huge red ring around his anus. And his cheeks are a lil' red. Oh, and he has been trying to kill the cats again (which usually happens when he eats something that he reacts to), so maybe it is working well for him. Any thoughts on this?

Oh, quick roll call:

Me, age 30, been healthy and organic for some time. Looking at a possible cancer diagnosis (consult is on the 11th of April) and surgery. Been taking a huge break away from the computer as I realized that I have spent more time living on this screen than w/my family Luckily, they still want me back. I cannot tolerate cow milk in any form or gluten. Hoping and thinking this is leaky gut. Planning to be away from all grains for 6-12 months.

Hubby, pretty damn healthy despite really poor eating habits as a kid (me too), including being fed evaporated milk w/corn syrup since birth. Never sick. On the diet too for poops and giggles.

DS1, age 4, lots of "allergy" problems, yet doesn't test positive for any allergy. Cannot tolerate cow dairy or gluten in any form. My pregnancy was very unhealthy (mainstream, vegetarian, lots of pastuerized dairy and oreos'). Lots of mainstream medical stuff. Antibiotics for my GBS, morphine during labor, transferred to NICU, tons of antibiotics and "elemental formula" or something. Basically corn syrup and crap in an NG tube. Nothing wrong w/him (morphine depressed his system in the first place). ONE vax at 5 months. Exclusively bf until 8-10 months. Eczema, hyperactivity, destuctive, abusive, loving and empathetic too All that and a bag of chips.

DS2, 16 months. Doesn't sleep due to some nasal allergy (still fighting insurance to get it paid, see the allopathic dr tomorrow). Has constant sleep apnea and mouth breathes. Right now he has some rash on his bum after I tried some cow cheese a couple weeks ago (hoping it is not the goat stuff, sigh). Pretty healthy though. Oh, forgot, totally different pregnancy, much healthier (vegan + fish + eggs), but too many grains.

Hoping against hope that I will be able to have another baby and hoping that I do not have cancer which would definately delay or deny this. Sigh.

Actually, my children are very healthy compared to most and compared to most on here I'm very very very lucky. It must be my hubby's good stock
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Hoping against hope that I will be able to have another baby and hoping that I do not have cancer which would definately delay or deny this. Sigh.

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, Amy. Glad to see you, sounds like you're keeping your spirits up, you're in my thoughts.

Okay, roll call: Well, I'm not a mama yet I am working on getting healthy before I TTC, so hopefully I can , first of all, hang onto a pregnancy, and second of all, have a lot of very healthy babies! I am 25, and just delving into the healing the gut thing. I've had terrible acne since early teens, hormonal imbalances, liver weakness, chronic diarrhea, chronic tummy aches, gas and bloating. As a kid I had severe eczema and various allergies, probably from cow milk. My sensitivity to cow milk has not been bad at all for the past few years, but lately seems to be acting up. I ate some (very tasty) homemade whipped cream with DH's (grain free) bday cake the other night, and now have eczema all over my fingers! I am now FOR REAL only eating 24 hour yogurt! I do hope I will be able to go back to eating my raw cheese and drinking a cup or two of raw milk every now and then, too.... I have been off all grains for 2+weeks, and that part has not been that hard. I am fighting serious sugar cravings (even though I eliminated white sugar/processed crap over a year ago). BTVC says honey is okay, but I think I need to cut that out completley for a little while, too, b/c I feel like I am addicted to it, and I can't resist my cravings for sweet things, even if those sweet things are *healthy*, like frozen cherries, or spoonfuls of raw honey. Is this an indicator of candida? I've never had a yeast infection in my life, so I've never really considered that.
I'm so glad I found this place!!! I am learning A LOT, and feeling confident that I will be able to change my health and get my gut issues under control. Hopefully SOON!! It is hard to put babymaking on hold for so long!
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What about brown rice?? Is that a total no-no? I seam to be tolerating it well.
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What about brown rice?? Is that a total no-no? I seam to be tolerating it well.
It really depends on the individual or what diet you are following.
It can be made easier to digest by soaking for 7 hours first according to Nourishing Traditions.
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Roll Call

This is our story (probably not updated though)
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=260393
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I'm a lurker here :
For all of you who are trying to heal the gut, do you soak your grains? I've just been learning about this over at Nourishing Traditions thread, and thought someone over here might be able to give me the whys and hows. I'm not sure I'm ready for sprouting, but I'll take opinions on that too
Firefaery, don't panic, I'm still on elimination But I have every intention of being able to eat gluten again. But at the very least, this could be good for the non-gluten grains I'm eating.....
Thanks so much in advance for any help - this is a fast-moving thread, and I feel lost in the info if I don't ask directly.
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Nobody knows the answer to my questions (post 29)? Maybe I'm asking too many at once.

I am at my wits end knowing what to do for my DD (3 months). I know the leaky gut will take time to heal if that is indeed the problem, but she keeps having blood in her poop and I don't know what to do. Should I take her to the doctor? Should I keep trying the diet and hope it works (I've only been doing it for 4 days)? When should the bloody poop disappear by if the diet is going to help? The only foods that are common allergens that I'm eating are almonds and eggs. She hasn't had any behavoral changes, she's still happy and mellow.
Ahhhh! I just don't know what to do.

I called the nurse at the pediatrician's last Friday and she said I should take her to the ER where they would do abdominal X-rays and all sorts of other tests...which I don't want. I mean if there is something wrong I want it figured out but I don't want all these invasive probably un-necessary tests. Then today she had bloody poop again so I called an Ask-a-nurse number and she was trying to make me feel like a horrible mother for not taking her in to see a doctor right away. I just have no faith in doctors at all and I am so upset and I don't know what to do. Maybe I should try to get her in to see a naturopathic doctor...maybe that Jordon Rubin does phone consultations...I don't know what to do.
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Jordan Rubin used to do phone consults...it's worth a phone call to find out.
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My next post will be the long awaited CHEAT SHEET.

You didn't expect it to be short did you?

Please critique and think of things I may have missed and I will edit to include. Obviously I'm a bit biased so please feel free to add anything else without fear of reprisal.

Mehera,
Could you please edit your first post in the thread with...

Link to CHEAT SHEET:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...3&postcount=51

...so newbies see it first thing?
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CHEAT SHEET

Please see most current version stickied at the top of this forum:
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Jane, you are awesome!
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OK, now for my questions...
1) I bought the Enzymedica Digest Gold enzymes...the Houston ones are quite a bit cheaper but don't have nearly as many enzymes in them. Are they just as good or would I need to take more or more than one type with the Houston ones?

2) How long do the enzymes last? It often takes me an hour to finish a meal between tending to my DD...are the enzymes still good? And sometimes I snack constantly throughout the day...do I need to take enzymes with everything I eat, or if I am snacking on raw foods and only eating a little can I skip the enzymes?

3) The Maker's Diet recommends adding yogurt or kefir after the first 2 weeks, and others have recommended them for probiotics...should I add them in a couple of weeks or wait, since it seems that my daughter may have a problem with dairy? I do have raw milk so it would be raw milk yogurt or kefir.

4) Any suggestions on combating low blood sugar while I'm doing this? The diet is so restricted the first couple of weeks it seems like I'm not getting enough to eat and have low blood sugar feelings constantly. I'm eat a fair amount of protein and fat (lots of eggs and almonds) so I'm not sure what else to do.

5) I read that only raw food has enzymes...is this correct? If it is it would explain why I had so many problems with low blood sugar after eating grains...I usually ate them by themselves and they were always cooked! So should I eat something raw each time I eat?
I'm sorry I've been so swamped!

Yes, the Digest Gold is very strong all around. But Houston's have benefits of be able to take higher amounts of cellulases (No Fenol) and proteases (Peptizyde) between meals for benefits other than digesting food. Comparable Enzymedica products are Candidase and Virastop for between meal use.

I don't know what to tell you about the dairy and your DD! You gotta just try but maybe you should get squared away with enzymes first so if you have a reaction, you aren't wondering which thing it is.

Karen DeFelice suggests if you are a snacker/grazer, keep some enzymes in an iced or refrigerated drink to sip throughout day. As long as enzymes are kept very cold they are not activated. Once activated, they last about 90 minutes in the stomach.

I think low blood sugar feelings are related to die off, they were for me.

Raw foods will not help grains unless you eat raw foods with carb digesting enzymes. I don't know of any ex. raw honey and fruit I guess, but even then capsules will be much better, more intensive for grains if you have a real problems digesting them.
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2) How long do the enzymes last? It often takes me an hour to finish a meal between tending to my DD...are the enzymes still good? And sometimes I snack constantly throughout the day...do I need to take enzymes with everything I eat, or if I am snacking on raw foods and only eating a little can I skip the enzymes?
I don't know about your other questions but I've read that if you snack all day long you can mix your enzymes in a beverage and sip on it throughout the day before you eat.

Maybe you can find some answers here:
http://www.enzymestuff.com
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Caedmyn,

PM username "moneca" and see if she has any suggestions.
Her DD has had every single test under the sun.
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Amy,

I've been thinking about you a lot.

Aggression and red ring usually means yeast. But I swear I've seen these related to die off in DS too. It's so hard to know. Is he eating a lot more fruit? raw fruit that he's not digesting? what is stool quality like?
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Patty,

This article was interesting about the role of fat in recovery from chronic disease: http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndi...icdisease.html

I do not at all believe that fat is the enemy... indeed I just reread a passage saying beneficial fats are necessary for increasing probiotics in the gut! It's great for inflammation too. I think you should give her a lot of fat if she wants it. Do you use coconut oil too?
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a homepathy question--it is within the realm of "fanatical adherance" to use? nico's getting a molar so i'm liberal with the teething tabs. i'm taking ignatia and argentum to help combat the anxiety i am feeling with the diet.
I think so... be careful with the sugar tablets. We are using very diluted amounts than regular lactose pill stuff. I know Elaine spoke about it but I cannot find right now. Pecanbread Yahoo group might have a thread on it.
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we are in the midst of die-off. so i'm going, "yay! it's real! it's real!" and "omg, my poor poor babies; i'm so so sorry."

to you all--we are all going thru so much! and i know most are going thru more than we are...

jane, i will update my post (i need to add more details anyway) as soon as i can. maybe tonight if the girls continue sleeping.

tomorrow i'm taking them to their pedi. i want him to order tests. i feel they've been malnourished since birth (or, malabsorbing nourishment), and there's the lead and mercury fears. so i'm going to bring in print outs about these two tests: http://www.gsdl.com/home/assessments/cdsa/ and http://www.directlabs.com/HairElements.php
anything else i should ask for (it can't hurt to ask, right?)?
(he cured his schizophrenia with nutrition, but has since decided it was all genetic, which i didn't know when i decided we'd see him--blah. still, i'm hoping he already knows about btvc. i'll be bringing the book!)
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OMG this is like six degrees of separation b/c the IL's passed thru NY on their way here last week and saw K.V.!

Those are 2 good tests to start with

Amanda also recommends a blood test which is buried to me right now, maybe she can pop in with it.

BTVC has interesting things to say about schizophrenia and diet. It could be genetic in the way autism is... requires a trigger probably to immune system... but with autism, biomedical and nutritional approaches absolutely work.
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