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JaneS's Avatar JaneS 01:11 PM 04-07-2006
Emma on the Pecanbread Yahoo list went to her last year... McBride's recs are detailed in her posts. Lots of animal fats. Different probiotics though, not SCD... that Emma's 2 kids did not tolerate well.

caedmyn's Avatar caedmyn 01:17 PM 04-07-2006
firefaery--how on earth did you get the zinc down? That stuff is nasty! I tried to put it in a smoothie but it just made the smoothie taste nasty.

I'm confused...a couple of people have mentioned something about there not being any point in eliminating symptom-causing foods when you have a leaky gut because your body just starts reacting to the foods you are eating. So if you (or DD in this case) are reacting to something you just keep eating it and eventually the symptoms will go away as your gut heals? This doesn't make sense so I must be missing something here.

JaneS--I posted a vitamin/mineral question thread in vaccinations for MT and she referred me back to you...here's the link http://www.mothering.com/discussions...te=1&p=4891665
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 01:19 PM 04-07-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by caedmyn
JaneS--thanks for answering my questions. I have a couple more...

Is there anything else (supplements) I should be taking? I'm afraid to try cow yogurt now, so I think I am going to get the Garden of Life probiotics for now, and then try goat's milk yogurt if I can find any. I haven't found any at the two HFS's I've been to, and the only goat's milk they have is ultra-pasturized and I don't want to use it. I do have cod liver oil coming in the mail, too.

Is one capsule of DigestGold per meal/snack the right amount?

If DD has a yeast rash on her butt, would GSE or Candidase or something like that help her (or maybe just the probiotics)? It started as a weird reddish rash and then the yeast bumps popped up. Maybe it was yeast all along, I don't really know. Anyhow, the bumps are gone but the reddish rash, which was mostly gone, is back in full force. Sigh...who knew one little baby could be so complicated!
I would concentrate on you and your breastmilk, rather than giving yeast killers to such a young baby. GSE also kills good probiotics too.

I think coconut oil everyday, work up to it, would be a good choice since it will increase the lauric acid in your milk. I would just use coconut oil, cod liver, unheated olive oil, animal fats, avocados, nuts and nut oil for your fats. NO corn, canola, or soy oil or margarine.

Yes Digest Gold is strong, 1 is plenty. You might want to start with less than that.

Personally I didn't do well at all on the Garden of Life HSO's.
Pookietooth's Avatar Pookietooth 01:22 PM 04-07-2006
caedmyn, I think that a lot of people have found that eliminating foods did just end up leading to more intolerances of the new foods, but in the case of celiac disease, you have to eliminate wheat/gluten and often dairy, because they do cause gut damage for celiacs. There may be other cases too, in which the gut wall is being damaged -- I would think anything that causes chronic diarrhea would cause gut damage, eg. if you get diarrhea when you eat almonds, you shouldn't eat them, etc.
Pookietooth's Avatar Pookietooth 01:37 PM 04-07-2006
Thanks, Jane, for the info about the book, you always are in the know. I haven't been able to do the pecanbread yahoo group because it's so busy, I get bogged down with tons of emails, even with it set to digest.
nicholas_mom's Avatar nicholas_mom 01:47 PM 04-07-2006
What is MSM?

Ds uses a creme on his excema called PURE MSM (10%). Is that the same thing as the powder MSM you are describing?
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 01:53 PM 04-07-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by caedmyn
firefaery--how on earth did you get the zinc down? That stuff is nasty! I tried to put it in a smoothie but it just made the smoothie taste nasty.

I'm confused...a couple of people have mentioned something about there not being any point in eliminating symptom-causing foods when you have a leaky gut because your body just starts reacting to the foods you are eating. So if you (or DD in this case) are reacting to something you just keep eating it and eventually the symptoms will go away as your gut heals? This doesn't make sense so I must be missing something here.

JaneS--I posted a vitamin/mineral question thread in vaccinations for MT and she referred me back to you...here's the link http://www.mothering.com/discussions...te=1&p=4891665
Brainchild liquid zinc doesn't taste nasty to me so perhaps that means I'm deficient and you are not!

Yes, that is generally true about leaky gut if you are not in the process of healing. It greatly depends on the food and what it does to the body. For example, if I continued to eat rice, potatoes, corn, grains, sugar... my gut never would have healed b/c they were fermenting, causing gas, bloating and more damage, exactly as explained by SCD science. I've never had a dairy allergy for example though, been drinking/eating it everyday and I didn't develop one.

Everyone is different and if you feel you are reacting negatively and its impeding your healing, then I would eliminate the food or foods. But it has to be an educated guess ykwim? It is hard!

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Originally Posted by caedmyn
MT you're the only expert I know, so I thought maybe I could ask you a few questions if you're not too busy, and I'm sure I'm not the only one confused by trying to pick out good supplements. I'm trying to heal a possible leaky gut (not sure if you're familiar with this or not) that is affecting my 3 month old DD in the form of apparent food allergies. I'd like to do some vitamin and mineral supplements, preferably natural source ones. These are the ones that seem to be most important as far as I can tell, and what seem to be the best sources:

Vitamin C--I did get some sodium ascorbate but now I'm thinking acerola powder is better...what are you thoughts on this? Is extra vitamin C good for healing in general, or just prevention?

B vitamins--nutritional yeast

Calcium--maybe coral calcium or bone powder (I don't think that's actually what it's called but I can't remember the right name)...I'd like to get all my calcium from food but I don't think I'll get enough that way

A&D--just started doing cod liver oil w/the natural vitamins in it

minerals--not really sure what a good source of minerals is. I was thinking of taking a good quality green food powder but I don't really know what they typically have as far as minerals.

I do eat lots of fresh fruits and veggies, I eat NT style if you're familiar with that (you seem to know everything so you probably are!).

Thank you thank you thank you (in advance)!
I never took a good source of calcium... the stuff I took while dairy free during bf'ing I wouldn't rec now. Now, I eat so much raw dairy I figure I don't need it and just supplement with magnesium. Firefaery's rec of Natural Calm mag is my current favorite, I can totally tell the difference in how well it absorbs.

This calcium suppl. looks interesting: http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/pr.../ct/3/pid/1057

Bone broths are excellent for calcium. I haven't verified this, but the info floating around native nutrition lists is that calcium content one cup of properly prepared bone broth is equivalent to a quart of milk. The minerals are all in easily absorbed electrolyte form with gelatin, also excellent for soothing and healing the gut.

(that reminds me, I need to add this to Cheat Sheet: The Healing Power of Bone Broths
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...23#post3942223)

So to a sister NT'er, bone broths are essential! Some soups or casseroles or sauces made with bone broths or demi glace everyday is a great NT practice to get into.

Amanda (Gale Force) has posted before about her particular kind of supercharged calcium from hooves or something but I cannot remember the name of it.

I personally wouldn't do a greens powder but I think Firefaery has recommended some last month.

I agree with MT, I would not do nutritional yeast at all with gut problems. I know some Bs are in liver. Some are produced by probiotics. I don't know much about supplementing Bs and I probably should.

See that link in Cheat Sheet for the WAPF Primer on Digestion and Nutrients Needed for a good checklist.
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 01:54 PM 04-07-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookietooth
Thanks, Jane, for the info about the book, you always are in the know. I haven't been able to do the pecanbread yahoo group because it's so busy, I get bogged down with tons of emails, even with it set to digest.
No kidding!
I have about 800 digests in my email right now from them and the Enzymes and Autism list.
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 01:59 PM 04-07-2006
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Originally Posted by zanelee
Ok, here's a question for you all. I'm not even sure exactly what to ask, I'm bumfuzzled...
DD has some serious absorption (or lack of) issues. We started her on some Houston's enzymes. They seemed to be working great. (Her face gets a bit flushed some, what was it someone said about that?) Well, we were at family's for dinner and forgot the enzymes. She was not going to let us not feed her, so she ate like she normally would. The next day her poops were fairly normal. (A few undigested stuff, but nowhere near like before) So, I've intentionally left off the enzymes a couple of times and the same thing. Pretty good looking poops. Is it possible to boost up like that? Or is it the probiotics I've been taking passing through to her?
I guess I shouldn't look the proverbial gift horse in the mouth, but COOL!


Yes this means she is on the way to healing! Karen DeFelice mentions this in her book the same way... she forgot and noticed no reactions.

Face flushing can be a yeast reaction or a phenol thing.
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 02:01 PM 04-07-2006
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Originally Posted by zanelee
Ya'll take a look at this...
http://www.terressentials.com/truthaboutgse.html

So what else can I use to help get rid os yeast?
:
Yep! See Anti Fungals link in Cheat Sheet post #51 in this thread. I would start with enzymes: Candidase, Candex or No Fenol/Peptizyde combo given between meals as detailed on www.enzymestuff.com
zanelee's Avatar zanelee 03:35 PM 04-07-2006
Quote:
Yes this means she is on the way to healing! Karen DeFelice mentions this in her book the same way... she forgot and noticed no reactions.
YIPEEEE!!!! I wasn't expecting this yet! WOOHOO!
Jane! Thanks so much! I just don't know what I'd do with out you and your great wealth of knowledge!
Vaquitita's Avatar Vaquitita 04:04 PM 04-07-2006
roll call... and some q's...

been lurking for a few weeks... i'm 27yo mama to 7mo ds. i'm thinking i may have leaky gut problems. i have some of the symptoms, acne and occasional indigestion. though i don't have any of the bacteria or yeast symptoms JaneS mentioned.

here's my history: raised in a very similar to nt way. when i got married at 20 i took birth control pills for 2 years, had one vaginal yeast infection during that time (none since). once i stopped the pills i suddenly had acne problems (even in my teens i had great skin). tried some topical stuff, no success. tried antibiotics for awhile, no success -only gave myself indigestion. took acidophilus and ate lots of yogurt, it went away (the indigestion not the acne). a couple years later, frustrated with the constant acne, tried the antibiotics again. took acidophilus and yogurt alot during and after. helped some while i took it, but the acne came back full force when i stopped.

added: forgot to mention i have no fillings/rootcanals/cavities. just to rule out that as a cause. did have braces as a teen, does that metal do bad things to you like fillings?

got pregnant and stopped antibiotics even though i was on one that was suppposedly 'safe' for pregnancy. i've never been comfortable with long term antibiotic use (even more so now!). during my pregnancy i followed the brewer diet- lots of meat, (pastuerized) yogurt, cheese and cottage cheese (i'm not fond of straight milk) and icecream :-(. also eggs, veggies, fruit, nuts and whole grains (not soaked though, gasp!). had a wonderfully healthy pregnancy, with no problems. i gained 60lb (have lost 50 of it so far). had a great, if long, labor and birth at home. ds was 9lb. 7oz. and very healthy! my eating went downhill fast after birth. i had some extra bleeding at the birth, found i had anemia, and then suddenly had some toxemia symptoms (pitted edema, high blood pressure). i immediately start eating (was so tired from anemia, i didn't feel like eating) and eating lots of protein. immediately felt tons better. ended up on blood pressure med anyway (my white coat hypertension may have had a lot to do with this), which i took for 3 months. i took floradix for 3 mo for the anemia.

oh, my acne has been almost gone since somewhere around 4 mo postpartem. i started taking additional zinc and pantothenic acid.

somewhere around 3-4 months i realized ds has a milk allergy (my husband has one). he would be stuffy, have red bumps on his cheeks, and a red ring on his butt. i eliminated all milk products and it went away. i am now eating yogurt and kefir with no problems, but anytime i eat cheese (haven't tried raw yet though) it comes back.

my ds is now 7mo (almost ebf, grandma gives him a little banana) and still very healthy and strong. he weighed 20lb at 6mo. he can sit himself up and is starting to crawl and pull himself up to stand. he's had one cold, but that's it. also, he is very calm and SO happy. people tell me all that time what a smiley guy he is. when i compare him to the ds of similar age of a friend of mine (who eats SAD, gives formula, vax's), her ds is 2-3 months behind in development.

i started nt 2 weeks ago. for my possible leaky gut i am:
eating yogurt or kefir everyday
clo everyday
started coconut oil
bone broths most days
soaked grains
sprouted bread

is this good enough? i really don't feel like doing the scd diet- it's SO restrictive. i am also working on severly reducing my white flour/sugar intake. which wasn't very much to start with. i'm not yet up to making my own bread so i'm buying Alvarado Niles sprouted bread. i hope that's good enough? they're a local co. thats sold in hfs around here. considering the mildness of our symptoms, compared with the experiences i'm reading here, i'm hoping my current regime is enough. how long will it take to be 'cured'? and how will i know?

R
Vaquitita's Avatar Vaquitita 04:20 PM 04-07-2006
forgot to mention...

i can always tell when grandma gives my ds banana... his poop is full of little squiggly things like in banana bread. does this mean he isn't digesting it properly?
caedmyn's Avatar caedmyn 04:30 PM 04-07-2006
It makes sense that if you are still having problems with a particular food to eliminate it for a while so as not to put additional strain on your body (hopefully I'm interpreting that correctly), and then to try it again later. It would be easier if it were me that was reacting, then it would be fairly easy to judge how I felt on/off a particular food. But since it is my DD that is reacting, and I still haven't cleared up the initial symptoms, it is a lot harder. I guess I will have to wait at least until her symptoms clear up before trying to add any dairy, which I think is the food she has problems with. I really want to try yogurt or kefir since they are so highly recommended, but I would hate for them to cause her more problems. Is commercial goat yogurt any good? I thought I would try goat yogurt first but the only goat milk I can find is ultra pasturized, so I don't know if it would really do any good for me to make my own with it. Maybe there's some way to continue culturing store bought goat yogurt?

I do need to use more bone broth--actually I have a pot of chicken stock going right now..we'll see how fast I can eat that up. I do only use the fats you recommended, and I just got some Blue Ice cod liver oil yesterday--yuck!

I wasn't going to give probiotics or enzymes to DD, I was just looking for something I can take to help her out. I'm trying the Garden of Life probiotics since I feel I really need some probiotics, and since I don't want to do yogurt or kefir, those seem like the next best thing. I pretty much jumped right in to the enzymes, taking one (Digest Gold) with every meal/snack by the 3rd day. I'm not having any symptoms of die off, although I'm not sure if it is affecting DD or not--she's been a bit cranky during the daytime for the past few days, tired but not napping real well (not that she ever really does). Her night time sleep is still great though.

pookietooth--what are the symptoms of celiac?
Vaquitita's Avatar Vaquitita 04:38 PM 04-07-2006
what is MSM??
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 04:39 PM 04-07-2006
Saccharomyces boulardii
http://www.florastor.com/article.asp?id=1139

Quote:
Florastor® is proven effective:
Multiple double blind studies have shown that Florastor® (Saccharomyces boulardii lyo) helps with†:
  • Diarrhea you get while taking antibiotics, called Antibiotic-Associated Diarrhea
  • Acute/chronic diarrhea, this is the type of diarrhea you can get if you eat something bad or get an infection in your bowels (gut) from a bad bug (pathogenic bacterium).
  • Traveler’s diarrhea, you get this while on vacation or traveling for your job if you eat something bad or get an infection in your bowels from a bad bug (pathogenic bacterium).
  • Clostridium difficile associated diarrhea, often called “C. diff” by your healthcare professional. C. diff is a bad bug that causes diarrhea. The bug lives in hospitals and you are only “at risk” if you go into a hospital for surgery.
  • Bloating and gas are sometimes caused by the high number of bad bugs in your bowels or gut. Taking a probiotic like Florastor®, can often help reduce the bloating and gas caused by the pathogenic bacteria (bad bugs).
Kirkman makes an SCD legal version.
http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/...0_Spec240.html
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 05:22 PM 04-07-2006
Poking around some more today finding interesting stuff...

Univ. of Washington Division of Gastroenterology - The Gut Course

http://www.uwgi.org/gut/table_contents.asp

COMMON SYMPTOMS AND SIGNS IN GASTROENTEROLOGY

http://gastroresource.com/gitextbook...r1/Default.htm
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 05:29 PM 04-07-2006
This irritates me about the above mainstream medical information... for example, gas 13.6 times a day is apparently considered normal. Perhaps it is common in this country of poor food choices that are unable to be fully digested, but it's not normal. I never have gas now!!!!

Quote:
9.2 Gas, Wind, Flatus page 16

9.2.1 MECHANISM

Farting is a physiologic excretory process. Normally, the gut contains 100 to 200 mL of gas. An average person on a normal diet emits about 1 L per day. We pass 50 to 500 mL a mean of 13.6 times per day, http://gastroresource.com/gitextbook...apter1/1-9.htm

Panserbjorne's Avatar Panserbjorne 07:23 PM 04-07-2006
MSM is a natural form of sulfur, it aids in the healing of hair, skin and nails. It does wonderful things for a damaged digestive tract.
caedmyn's Avatar caedmyn 08:12 PM 04-07-2006
If enzymes are making my baby cranky, should I back off of them? She's been cranky since Monday which is when I started taking one Digest Gold with each meal/snack.
Pattyla's Avatar Pattyla 11:04 PM 04-07-2006
caedmyn- Try quitting them for a day or two and see if tha fixes it. If it does you can try going slower. Just 1/2 a cap for a couple of meals the first day then 1/2 cap for all meals etc. Or you could get a milder enzyme. One with lower proteases to start and see if that works for her. You should be able to work you way up to the digest gold, it just may take more time. Have you read the low and slow method on enzymestuff.com ?
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 12:42 AM 04-08-2006
Caedmyn,

At least you just get cranky. I tried a sprinkling of Peptizyde in DS's juice this week... not even an 1/8th of a capsule. The teensiest tiniest amount. He basically flipped out about 2 hours later and didn't nap that day. A 2 year old on 8 hours of sleep/night only is so not fun.

Which really makes me want to b/c I'm sure he needs the extra proteases, but I just don't want to have to go through that ever again, nevermind a week or a month or whatever to get him used to it.

I also think this homeopathic remedy is doing nothing at all. We cannot catch a break here.

(Sorry this turned into a "Poor me" session! )
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 12:43 AM 04-08-2006
BTW Digest Gold is approx. equal to 2 of Houston's Zyme Prime, it is pretty strong.
caedmyn's Avatar caedmyn 12:48 AM 04-08-2006
I was going to try the slow method but breaking the capsules in half seemed kind of messy...anyhow I didn't do it. I hope if I stop for a couple of days and then start with a lower dose she can tolerate it--the hfs only has digest and digest gold and I'm not allowed to order anything by mail this month (long story).

JaneS--I'm sure if DD was older I'd have more than cranky...she's normally really happy but the past few days ...well let's just say it's a good thing there's not a well nearby or I'd have been seriously tempted to drop her in!
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 12:52 AM 04-08-2006


Yes stop for a few days. The enzymes do stay circulating in your system for a while too, it will give them a chance to clear out. This helped me when I had a similar hyper reaction from proteases. You can measure out a half onto a bite of food and click the capsule back together pretty easily.
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 12:59 AM 04-08-2006
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Originally Posted by Peri Patetic
A roll call seems like a good time to intro...

I'm considering the SCD and have been lurking along -- I don't have any specific symptoms of digestive trouble, but am pretty sure I have yeast overgrowth and past history would suggest a leaky gut problem. I had a c-section with my oldest and ended up with the dreaded c. difficile, which was a bear to get rid of. First doc did not want me to do vancomycin because she thought it was incompatible with breastfeeding -- second doc said no problem and gave it to me. Solved the c. diff but can't have been good for my flora overall! DS and I had a terrible time with breastfeeding -- long story, but it involved thrush, a bad latch that left me in pain, my trying an elimination diet with no success, and a near total lack of sleep on his part (which of course impacted my sleep). He was a difficult, cranky, non-sleeping baby/child, and now that I'm reading all this about leaky gut I'm guessing that could have been the problem. The funny thing is, I had thrush again with DD, and even did a course of diflucan for it, but she didn't have any problems like DS had. I did eat a much better diet during that PG though!

Anyway, as I said, I don't have digestive issues but I am so, so tired all the time, no matter how much sleep I get or how well I eat. We are easing into NT eating -- I thought maybe the fatigue was from eating too much sugar but having given up sugar, it's still a problem. I'm not eating much in the way of grains or other starches at all, mostly meat, lots of veg and fruit, some nuts, and raw dairy. I'm wondering about adrenal problems, or maybe yeast causing the fatigue. I've been taking Candidase as well as Digest Gold and some sea minerals, plus CLO daily, but no other supps. I'm thinking about ordering some adrenal gland capsules from Dr. Ron's but I hate to spend the money if it's not my adrenals...is there a test for adrenal function? We are spending so much on food lately that I hate to go into testing and seeing a doc if I can figure it out on my own.

Anyway, the SCD kind of scares me (I have enough issues trying to prepare foods that the whole family will like, much less trying to eat a different diet myself) but I'm considering it. I tried to make 24 hour yogurt with raw milk but it flopped.

Any suggestions or questions are welcome! In the meantime, I'll just be reading along!
Welcome

Personally I saw great difference in fatigue/energy when healing started taking place. I think the toxins that yeast/bacteria has something to do with it. And the interference with absorbing nutrients. Also die off can indeed cause enormous fatigue. One thing I think I noticed when vacillating about going on the diet, then not, then on again... was cyclical die off. I just kept increasing the bugs and killing them off again. Not a good feeling.

I don't know much about adrenal issues. I probably should though b/c my DS is obviously running on empty half the time. If you find anything good please post!

How did the yogurt flop? Raw milk yogurt can be strange textured.
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 01:04 AM 04-08-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaquitita
forgot to mention...

i can always tell when grandma gives my ds banana... his poop is full of little squiggly things like in banana bread. does this mean he isn't digesting it properly?
Well yes, these are the fibers from the black middle section of the banana. He is so young and his digestive system is just starting to develop and produce enzymes so unless he is gassy or gets a diaper rash I wouldn't worry about it.
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 01:20 AM 04-08-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaquitita
roll call... and some q's...

been lurking for a few weeks... i'm 27yo mama to 7mo ds. i'm thinking i may have leaky gut problems. i have some of the symptoms, acne and occasional indigestion. though i don't have any of the bacteria or yeast symptoms JaneS mentioned.

here's my history: raised in a very similar to nt way. when i got married at 20 i took birth control pills for 2 years, had one vaginal yeast infection during that time (none since). once i stopped the pills i suddenly had acne problems (even in my teens i had great skin). tried some topical stuff, no success. tried antibiotics for awhile, no success -only gave myself indigestion. took acidophilus and ate lots of yogurt, it went away (the indigestion not the acne). a couple years later, frustrated with the constant acne, tried the antibiotics again. took acidophilus and yogurt alot during and after. helped some while i took it, but the acne came back full force when i stopped.

added: forgot to mention i have no fillings/rootcanals/cavities. just to rule out that as a cause. did have braces as a teen, does that metal do bad things to you like fillings?

got pregnant and stopped antibiotics even though i was on one that was suppposedly 'safe' for pregnancy. i've never been comfortable with long term antibiotic use (even more so now!). during my pregnancy i followed the brewer diet- lots of meat, (pastuerized) yogurt, cheese and cottage cheese (i'm not fond of straight milk) and icecream :-(. also eggs, veggies, fruit, nuts and whole grains (not soaked though, gasp!). had a wonderfully healthy pregnancy, with no problems. i gained 60lb (have lost 50 of it so far). had a great, if long, labor and birth at home. ds was 9lb. 7oz. and very healthy! my eating went downhill fast after birth. i had some extra bleeding at the birth, found i had anemia, and then suddenly had some toxemia symptoms (pitted edema, high blood pressure). i immediately start eating (was so tired from anemia, i didn't feel like eating) and eating lots of protein. immediately felt tons better. ended up on blood pressure med anyway (my white coat hypertension may have had a lot to do with this), which i took for 3 months. i took floradix for 3 mo for the anemia.

oh, my acne has been almost gone since somewhere around 4 mo postpartem. i started taking additional zinc and pantothenic acid.

somewhere around 3-4 months i realized ds has a milk allergy (my husband has one). he would be stuffy, have red bumps on his cheeks, and a red ring on his butt. i eliminated all milk products and it went away. i am now eating yogurt and kefir with no problems, but anytime i eat cheese (haven't tried raw yet though) it comes back.

my ds is now 7mo (almost ebf, grandma gives him a little banana) and still very healthy and strong. he weighed 20lb at 6mo. he can sit himself up and is starting to crawl and pull himself up to stand. he's had one cold, but that's it. also, he is very calm and SO happy. people tell me all that time what a smiley guy he is. when i compare him to the ds of similar age of a friend of mine (who eats SAD, gives formula, vax's), her ds is 2-3 months behind in development.

i started nt 2 weeks ago. for my possible leaky gut i am:
eating yogurt or kefir everyday
clo everyday
started coconut oil
bone broths most days
soaked grains
sprouted bread

is this good enough? i really don't feel like doing the scd diet- it's SO restrictive. i am also working on severly reducing my white flour/sugar intake. which wasn't very much to start with. i'm not yet up to making my own bread so i'm buying Alvarado Niles sprouted bread. i hope that's good enough? they're a local co. thats sold in hfs around here. considering the mildness of our symptoms, compared with the experiences i'm reading here, i'm hoping my current regime is enough. how long will it take to be 'cured'? and how will i know?

R
Hi

Yeah, your intestinal flora has been beaten down by the bcp's and antibx for so long. So therefore, maybe the flora your DS got wasn't so strong and that is why the dairy allergy.

Yogurt and kefir beneficial bacteria predigests the proteins, so that is why you maybe are seeing problems with cheese only, which is not predigested. Raw milk proteins are not packed together like pasteurized so it's possible your system could handle it but it's hard to know ahead of time.

I'm not sure about which bread is good or not. I do know that WAPF has a 2006 shopping guide out that lists all grocery store and mail order products that it recommends, might be worth getting. Or posting in the NT Mamas thread for recs.

Is your diet a good one? Yes.
Will it heal your gut? I don't know! It's so hard to predict with an individual. I'm doing fantastic, my DS is not.

Especially since you have no digestive symptoms to gauge your progress. I think for your DS it would important to try to follow SCD for his gut flora. No grains, none of that horrid baby cereal. Start solids with fruits and veggies, egg yolks and meats. No Tylenol/Advil. Just watch him closely. Calm and happy and developing well pretty much speaks for itself!
Pookietooth's Avatar Pookietooth 11:44 AM 04-08-2006
Jane, the Kirkman probiotic link you sent says not to use it except under the care of a professional. I don't really have one right now. Think it's super strong? It says you might get an allergic reaction to it. What would a medical person be able to do?
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 01:23 PM 04-08-2006
Hey Jen,

I think they are just covering their butts. Honestly I'm so disallusioned with "professionals" right now. (but then again, I am with myself too so take that with a grain of salt!) But I think it's possible to figure out some stuff on your own given enough research that sometimes prof's don't do.

My impression is that S. boulardii is in wide usage in Europe. And here with AIDS patients. At first Elaine G. said that since it was a yeast she didn't recommend it for cross reactivity. Then she did recommend it for bacterial issues citing success with AIDS patients.

But it might be worth it to look around the ASD parents groups for data and experiences. I keep meaning to do this but have other projects on my plate right now. So maybe if you find a little and post I will be reminded...
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