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Help...my baby girl is really having a hard time. first let me say that i have asthma so i am concerned about her breathing. she is wheezing for the third day in a row (I had a soy smoothie on wednesday night and she started shortly thereafter--I already know she is allergic/sensitive to milk, like me, and there is a 75% "cross-over" allergy with dairy and soy--if you are allergic to one, chance are you are allergic to both).

she's miserable and what scares me is that she seems so much less energetic. sort of limp in my arms, when usually she is trying to stand up, pulling my hair, etc. she is very cough-y. it seems like it is hurting her to cough...her chest is very rattly and she is occasionally puking (from the mucos i think ; my son was the same way). her breathing is very fast and labored and when you look at her torso from the front her sides are kind of pulling in with each shallow breath.

measures we have tried--eucalyptus in lotion rubbed on chest, eucalyptus soaked on cloth near her while she slept, baths with the johnson's breathing bath stuff, vaporizer in our room. i have herbs of kids brand respiratory and lung support and it gives directions for babies one year (up to 24 lbs...) and my baby is 20 lbs (4 mos). The thing is it has orange peel in it and i consider citrus to be an at least "one- year" food...esp. w/ family history of food allergies. homeoptahic remedies bryonia, antimonium tart, aconitum napellus.

i am desperate...dh thinks we should take her to er but we have no insurance, no vaccines, unassisted birth, etc. i have an older son and have learned the hard way about four hour waits and then being treated badly to boot. no telling what germs are floating around that place anyway.

our main fear is pnuemonia.

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Go to some of these webpages and read thru the list of remedies and description of the person...........find the one remedy that sounds most like your baby after you have read them all - your child won't have all the symptoms they list nor will the remedy have all of your child's symptoms, but you probably will find one that sounds like your child

Especially note the emotional state of your child, general things about them and specifics that are unique to your child - how fast things came on, how their eyes, skin is, etc.

http://www.simillimum.com/FirstAid/T...in/Coughs.html
http://www.simillimum.com/FirstAid/...din/Coughs.html
http://www.gnc.com/wellness/natpharm/Homeo/Cough_hm.htm
http://www.gnc.com/wellness/natpharm/Homeo/Cough_hm.htm
Coughs

http://www.simillimum.com/FirstAid/T...uteCoryza.html
http://www.simillimum.com/FirstAid/...cuteCoryza.html
http://www.homeopathic.com/ailments/new/Cold.htm
http://www.homeopathic.com/ailments/new/Cold.htm
COLDS AND ACUTE CORYZA (runny nose)

http://www.simillimum.com/FirstAid/T...in/Fevers.html
http://www.simillimum.com/FirstAid/...din/Fevers.html
http://www.saber.net/~bidarius/homeo/html/fever.html
http://www.saber.net/~bidarius/homeo/html/fever.html
Fevers

DON'T USE EUCALYPTUS OIL WHILE USING HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES - CAN ANTIDOTE THEIR EFFECT

FIND ONE REMEDY
If you have 6x, 12, or 30C, give one and wait for about 10 minutes, if no improvement give another - just put in mouth under tongue.......

Repeat frequently for hour or so if no improvement. If after that, no improvement, look again for a different remedy.

Try cool air
Try hot moist air - shower........
Every child is different
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I think you need to take your baby to the ER, asap. She's struggling for breath, you say, seems limp and is having sternal retractions (the sinking in of her chest as she tries to breathe). I wouldn't mess around with this. Young babies and children can deteriorate so quickly to the point of no return. I'm not trying to alarm you, really, but your post gave me a bad feeling. It seems like you've tried a good number of natural remedies, and it isn't enough. And about the wait, if your baby is truly as bad as you describe, I don't think you'll have to wait long.

Please keep us updated.

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Lucky one, thank you for your concern. I wrote the post last night just after trying the steamy bathroom for half an hour and giving the homeopathic remedies I listed. Half an hour later she was smiling a little, still seemed tired and not as energetic as I'm used to, but breathing better and more slowly. I felt this was a really good sign.

Dr. Mendohlsen (a doctor/write whose books I use alot--he treated over 30,000 kids in his city-doctor career, mostly using non-medical, time-tested approaches) says that if there is the inward movement of the chest with a metallic, harsh. wheezing. it is probably "croup". He says only if the symptoms don't respond to the steamy bathroom, should you consider taking her to the ER (as bacterial pneumonia won't respond). He says look for "extreme" difficulty breathing, a temp of 102 and "bluish" skin in this case.

I feel like she is really sick and is having a hard time. And we have to be pretty much on duty with her to keep her comfortable. Luckily we can drop everything as dh is off tomorrow. She is crying some but is in general now just tired and sad looking, which I think is pretty normal for being sick. But I think for now we can keep her home. Thank goodness.

Sherri, thanks so much for the links. We had not considered arsenicum album, but are going to once she wakes up (she is sleeping well now with pretty ok breathing, though I am staying right next to her here at the computer). you posted what I felt too frantic to take the time to look up, and it was both helpful AND reassuring (as some of the symptoms described were actually WORSE than rowan's).

Thanks for your concern. I'll update if things get worse.

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Oh, thank goodness!!!!

I just took a shower and thought about your post the entire time. I was just coming down to write an addendum, but saw your update instead.

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I agred with you Lucky One and should have said so

Doesn't help if you lose the child while waiting to find the right remedy

Please find a homeopath who you can work with for little $$$ so you have a back up to help you

Glad she is better...........keep a close eye on her
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sherri, how i wish that finding a homeopath here was possible! we live in NW Arkansas and there aren't i know of, period, much less one with sliding-scale/barter practices! do you know of a resource to find one here--none in phone book, even in nearest larger city.

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Thank you, Sheri. I'm always afraid how much to say here. I only know Western medicine and I admit I often am too cautious. But as an RN myself, it sounded as if she was describing resp. distress, which you as well as I know is a true emergency. I couldn't quit thinking about her baby. I'm so relieved she seems to be doing better.

Yes, I agree with Sheri, joyberryjoy, keep a close eye on her. Things can change from minute to minute.

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Its a fine balance for those of us who are nurses..........but it will get easier for you.........and for me I have to constantly remind myself that all can't get a remedy quickly either. And someone I missed the babies age.......was thinking was older.

and joyberryjoy - Oh dear NW AR - bad news.
Sounds like you have some ability yourself..........read as much as you can.........go to my webpage for more help
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

email me privately and I can share the name of someone who does phone help - and I think will try to give you a discount if she can for an emergency

Hope she is continuing to do better.
Be sure you lookat each and every symptom before you give her the next remedy to be sure what she looks like now.........
and don't be afraid to repeat it if you see some results and she relapses a little or if you don't see results in the first few doses.
Sometimes has to be given every 20-30 minutes for a few hours.

I know it is hard with one that young
Go by emotional state too that is different than her normal state
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Joy, So happy to hear she is doing better. May I suggest, when her condition is stabilized, to consult a chiropractor? Chiropractic often gets great results with the symptoms you described. Of course if the condition is serious, extreme trouble breathing, blue lips, etc. the ER is the best place to be.

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