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Moonshine, thanks for that link to Jane's post. That is great info!
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Heh, perfect, because I have a die-off question as well. Yes, I read the post :

I've been taking No-Fenol between meals for a few days now. "Coincidentally", DS, my nursling, has been having restless sleep for as many nights, thrashing and flailing about, and the same with naps. Today I noticed his little bottom around his anus is RED, all over. But he hasn't pooped in as many days either (this not pooping in 4-5 days is rather common for him, unfortunately). So...am I taking too much enzyme (just the regular dose, 1/4 tsp between meals which ends up being maybe 2x a day). Or is it die-off? He has such sensitive skin anyway, my thought is too much enzyme, but I want to get a second (third, fourth) opinion, one more seasoned than my own.

Also I am reading Enzymes for Autism - wonderful book! I am seriously thinking of taking Peptizyde as well - should I wait until the No-Fenol is finished? I'm also taking Betaine HCL with meals. And I am thinking Zyme Prime for DH, he has dermatitis or some such rashy thing and we're thinking maybe food allergies, he's never been tested or anything. He's had this for as long as he can remember. I'm currently doing SCD, but the book gives me hope that maybe the enzymes could be enough and I would be able to go back to NT?

Thoughts from the experienced vets? :
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#1 I've heard this is either fungal or vitamin A related.

although aren't those 2 answers the ones I give to everything!! I swear I've read them though.

#2 This is hormonal, melasma. Not sure what effects this other than other hormonal influences in the body.

What about a zinc only sunblock? The mineral sunblocks, zinc and titanium dioxide, are the safest b/c they provide physical, not chemical protection.
Zinc oxide and Titanium dioxide are also carcinogenic, from what I've read.
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I guess I just need to up my CLO.
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Heh, perfect, because I have a die-off question as well. Yes, I read the post :

I've been taking No-Fenol between meals for a few days now. "Coincidentally", DS, my nursling, has been having restless sleep for as many nights, thrashing and flailing about, and the same with naps. Today I noticed his little bottom around his anus is RED, all over. But he hasn't pooped in as many days either (this not pooping in 4-5 days is rather common for him, unfortunately). So...am I taking too much enzyme (just the regular dose, 1/4 tsp between meals which ends up being maybe 2x a day). Or is it die-off? He has such sensitive skin anyway, my thought is too much enzyme, but I want to get a second (third, fourth) opinion, one more seasoned than my own.

Also I am reading Enzymes for Autism - wonderful book! I am seriously thinking of taking Peptizyde as well - should I wait until the No-Fenol is finished? I'm also taking Betaine HCL with meals. And I am thinking Zyme Prime for DH, he has dermatitis or some such rashy thing and we're thinking maybe food allergies, he's never been tested or anything. He's had this for as long as he can remember. I'm currently doing SCD, but the book gives me hope that maybe the enzymes could be enough and I would be able to go back to NT?

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I'm not one, but I'm also curious to hear about it....
I'm also planning to get peptizyde and no-fenol, I'm taking Digest right now which is something like Zyme-Prime, but I'm running out and will switch to Digest Gold because it is stronger and has peptidase like Peptizyde, but not as much. So we'll see... I just don't have money right now to take several kinds.
My bf DD who is turning 1 soon (cake recipes?), still wakes up at least 3 times at night to nurse. It's definitely become worse since the enzymes, but I figured 3 times in not too bad... she also gets those pimple rashes, which is not too bad, only afew. Her torso was covered by them when I was on Candidase. So we definitely have yeast problems.

We're also staying more or less on a modified SCD. Still do yogurt, lots of veggies, meat, eggs, cheese (not me), kefir for me, CO, CLO, enzymes, supplements, also added NT oatmeal every few days because Karen D. says it helps to heal the gut. And with enzymes we seem to tolerate it well. I think the stronger enzymes will also help with eating out/MIL etc.
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I've seen that, but I don't know what to do next, or how alarmed I should be.....

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Heh, perfect, because I have a die-off question as well. Yes, I read the post :

I've been taking No-Fenol between meals for a few days now. "Coincidentally", DS, my nursling, has been having restless sleep for as many nights, thrashing and flailing about, and the same with naps. Today I noticed his little bottom around his anus is RED, all over. But he hasn't pooped in as many days either (this not pooping in 4-5 days is rather common for him, unfortunately). So...am I taking too much enzyme (just the regular dose, 1/4 tsp between meals which ends up being maybe 2x a day). Or is it die-off? He has such sensitive skin anyway, my thought is too much enzyme, but I want to get a second (third, fourth) opinion, one more seasoned than my own.

Also I am reading Enzymes for Autism - wonderful book! I am seriously thinking of taking Peptizyde as well - should I wait until the No-Fenol is finished? I'm also taking Betaine HCL with meals. And I am thinking Zyme Prime for DH, he has dermatitis or some such rashy thing and we're thinking maybe food allergies, he's never been tested or anything. He's had this for as long as he can remember. I'm currently doing SCD, but the book gives me hope that maybe the enzymes could be enough and I would be able to go back to NT?

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Enzymes can definitely cause behavioral and skin issues, although I don't know whether it's the enzymes themselves or die-off. Enzymes caused a mild eczema flare-up in my DD. I started with 1/4 the recommended dose with one meal a day (because the first time I tried enzymes full strength she was cranky and didn't nap for a week until I stopped them), and it took me a week to get up to 1/4 dose per meal, and two more weeks to get up to a full dose per meal. The eczema's just now going away again (2 months later) but it never got very bad or itchy and there were no behavioral issues, so I guess the slow dosing worked.

As far as going back to NT with enzymes, I guess you could try some illegal foods once you are comfortably taking a full dose of all the right enzymes. "Enzymes for Autism" does make it sound like you can eat the SAD and be fine with enzymes, but I'm a bit skeptical, especially since I still didn't digest some SCD legal foods with enzymes.
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I should probably post this in Dental, but maybe someone here can help...what else can I do within the framework of an anti-candida diet (good fats, meat, eggs, non-starch and low-carb veggies...no carrots, peas, or squash) to heal a cavity? I've had a sore tooth off and on for about 18 months and it's getting worse now so I'm pretty certain it's a cavity. But I think it is actually underneath a filling I already have, so I don't know how that will affect trying to remineralize it. I'm doing 2 tsp of high vitamin CLO and have been for a couple of months.
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I've seen that, but I don't know what to do next, or how alarmed I should be.....
Your issue is pale poop right? That is a classic sign of celiacs disease.

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Hmm, that is interesting. He and I did a 100% compliance gluten-free trial for four months (he is still nursing so I did it too). We did not see any changes at all when we took gluten away, and we did not see any reactions at all, either quick or gradual, after we added it back. So I had pretty much concluded that he's not reactive to gluten. He is very reactive to casein, but that hasn't been in our diets for a long time now, 1.5 years. We have never done a soy-free trial and I wonder if I should consider doing one. (I know I am the oddball in this thread, but we are not doing SCD - due to his food allergies, we would have to do it without dairy, eggs, chicken, or nuts, and I think all we could eat would be beans, pork, turkey, fruits, vegetables and water, so I'm trying other approaches.)

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Your issue is pale poop right? That is a classic sign of celiacs disease.

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Quick question mamas

Sorry, I've been absent, been camping w/a bunch of mamas!! One is also on the Maker's diet so it was fun.

We are about to go to a wedding (leaving tomorrow) and I need to make a cake for us. I'm stuck on frosting, any good ones? The other thing, I ruined 6 quarts of yogurt. Lovely. It turned into whey and maybe curds. And then along came this spider.... Anywho, is there anything I can do w/this, like make icing or something???

Thanks
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AmyD, could you do cashews, coconut milk/oil, and bananas blended together?

i just saw a cool recipe for cake icing in "Feeding the Whole Family.." but i left my copy at home. it was based on cashew butter or something...

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Quick question mamas

Sorry, I've been absent, been camping w/a bunch of mamas!! One is also on the Maker's diet so it was fun.

We are about to go to a wedding (leaving tomorrow) and I need to make a cake for us. I'm stuck on frosting, any good ones? The other thing, I ruined 6 quarts of yogurt. Lovely. It turned into whey and maybe curds. And then along came this spider.... Anywho, is there anything I can do w/this, like make icing or something???

Thanks
Can you do dairy?
I made a frosing-type thing that came out yummy. First I whipped some heavy cream with vanilla and stevia (or you could try maple or honey), then I mixed it with macademia nut butter and kept whipping until it reached a creamy thick consistency. You can do it with almond butter. This is probably what I'll use for my cake for DD, but haven't decided on the cake yet. Maybe I'll try the macademia nut pudding from NT. DD won't have any anyway, since she is just starting to eat some solids plus nuts are a no-no at this age. But everybody else could have a healthy cake.

It might work with full-fat coconut milk, but it won't be fluffy like the cream.
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DD's 12 month check-up is coming up. Can anyone point me to the vaccine thread and where to find research that I can show the ped?
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DD's 12 month check-up is coming up. Can anyone point me to the vaccine thread and where to find research that I can show the ped?
Do you mean the vax forum? It's under the Health forums. Honestly I wouldn't bother showing things to your ped as he/she will be unconvinceable anyway...I would just tell them you're not vaxing (or that you're delaying if you're more comfortable with that) and that it's not open for discussion.
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So re: this thread right now. I'll get over it.

How Not to Have an Allergic Child
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Do you mean the vax forum? It's under the Health forums. Honestly I wouldn't bother showing things to your ped as he/she will be unconvinceable anyway...I would just tell them you're not vaxing (or that you're delaying if you're more comfortable with that) and that it's not open for discussion.


You'll never convince the Ped. The most important thing to do is convince yourself and that means reading as much as you can in the Vax Forum and books.

When I finally passed the point where I feared the vaxes much more than the diseases, and I knew that nutrition greatly effects the outcomes and treatments of the diseases, I was comfortable with my decision.

Nutritional examples:

High vitamin C given several times/day knocks down pertussis/whooping cough much better than antibiotics.

Vitamin A prevents and treats measles so effectively there are programs in developing countries for this purpose.

P.S. I'm reading Momtezuma Tuatara's book on vaxes right now and it's incredible. So pay attention to all of her posts, she was one of the main reasons why my DS is not vaxed. (I started reading MDC when pg.) I know it saved us from autism or worse.
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We are about to go to a wedding (leaving tomorrow) and I need to make a cake for us. I'm stuck on frosting, any good ones? The other thing, I ruined 6 quarts of yogurt. Lovely. It turned into whey and maybe curds. And then along came this spider.... Anywho, is there anything I can do w/this, like make icing or something???
The honey frosting in BTVC is great.

Boil 1 cup of honey til soft ball stage (if you have candy therm. this is helpful, otherwise test a small bit in cold water.) It's before it starts to turn very dark, if it does, it's ruined.

Whip one egg white to stiff peaks.

Drizzle in hot honey while whipping constantly.

Add 1 teasp. vanilla.

Stays spreadable for hours. Keep cool, it melts in warmer temps like summertime. Tastes like vanilla marshmallow
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So re: this thread right now. I'll get over it.

How Not to Have an Allergic Child
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=471144
Yeah I saw that thread. I thought about posting but you beat me to it. Funny how it's so much easier to believe allergies are inherited than that there is a lifestyle cause (and cure).
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Amy, re: yogurt.

Did it get too hot? Is it tart? What about draining it to separate the whey. Or you can just try to whip it together.

This actually happened to me recently with raw milk. I had some raw yogurt going and some pastuerized. The raw only separated. It really needs to be kept in the lower range of 100-110, it was 112. So the good guys weren't killed off, they maybe just grew faster. I needed to take my pizza stone out of the oven for summertime (I use the oven method with light on to keep warm for 24h).
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Uh... what if the gut problems aren't diet-related?

I'm so frustrated. My dr. now wonders if part of my intestine may be holding old food hence it starting to rot and create infection after a while. She mentioned possible surgery. But surgery and intesintal issues is what STARTED my life out with all these problems!! ("NEC" at 2 days old and 9 weeks early.) I have an MRI coming up next month and then see a gastro specialist in August.
NEC = necrotizing enterocolitis? This is a bacterial cause of the inflammation. Usually in formula fed preemies b/c formula is harder to digest and allows bad bacteria to flourish.

Physical problems with motility can be a cause, however, IMO there is always a dietary component can can help or hurt the entire process. The key is to figure out what exactly is going wrong and try to aid it.

Like why would your intestine "hold onto old food"? Your intestines are have little villi that secrete enzymes that help digest the food. For ex. in celiac disease, the villi wear away and therefore the food does not get digested properly.

If you have inflammation and colitis, could bacteria again be the cause of your inflammation and maldigestion?

If surgery, what kind and what is it supposed to accomplish?

Have you tried digestive enzymes?
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Amy, re: yogurt.

Did it get too hot? Is it tart? What about draining it to separate the whey. Or you can just try to whip it together.

This actually happened to me recently with raw milk. I had some raw yogurt going and some pastuerized. The raw only separated. It really needs to be kept in the lower range of 100-110, it was 112. So the good guys weren't killed off, they maybe just grew faster. I needed to take my pizza stone out of the oven for summertime (I use the oven method with light on to keep warm for 24h).
I totally think it got too hot. It is very strange, lots of whey and then almost curdles, but not quite. I tried shaking and shaking and shaking, and nothing.

Its hard w/the new season and hot weather, I'm trying to experiment to find a method that works now, vs. 2 months ago.

Going to try that honey recipe And the banana cake I think.
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JaneS--do you know anything about Betaine HCL? Like if I should take it with the Digest Gold, or just the Betaine HCL alone?

Hypothetically speaking, if I can never get my own gut fixed, could I keep DD from having long-term gut problems by only feeding her SCD legal foods until she weans (and maybe for a short time afterward)?
Betaine HCL has hydrochloric acid in addition to pancreatic enzymes. The kind that only work in acidic environment. Very good for protein digesting but doesn't help starches or fiber.

Taking it with the DG is a trial and error process. It depends if you need the stomach acid help. There are also other things you can do to increase your stomach acid such as taking lemon juice with meals, not drinking a lot of liquid with meals.

Yes absolutely re: keeping DD on SCD foods and high probiotics. Avoid everything she cannot digest that is the key. I could have avoided most of this w/ DS if I never started on that stupid cereal as his first food and knew that his yeast diaper rash from hell and full body eczema meant that his intestinal flora was compromised by it.
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"Yes, I'll look "different" in the locker room, GLORIOUSLY different."

Ok Amy, I'm finally asking, what the heck does this mean???
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Hi, I am sorry to participate in this thread so sporadically. I am here once again with a question, and apologize anyone in advance if I gross you out.

Our 3 yo DS has had pale stools his entire life. We have been through lots with him, including food allergies and chelation. We also battle yeast. Lately his stools have been nicely formed, which is a *huge* improvement over where we were a year ago , but still a very pale yellow color.

I have heard that low bile salts is what causes stools to be pale. Are the pale stools or low bile salts in any way related to yeast problems ? Also quite honestly, the idea that he might have a long-term liver problem really scares me. Am I over-reacting ? Or misinformed ? If he has low bile salts, is it maybe not so serious ?

Finally, is there something I can do besides continue battling the yeast ? I'm not giving up until my boy has normal, healthy digestion

Thanks !

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Linda!

I don't know anything about bile salts. I do know there are supplements you can take, ox bile. Might try asking at Karen DeFelice's Yahoo group if it's related to yeast?

How is chelation going? There is a thread in Dental you might want to join "Chelating Mamas" to talk about it.
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Heh, perfect, because I have a die-off question as well. Yes, I read the post :

I've been taking No-Fenol between meals for a few days now. "Coincidentally", DS, my nursling, has been having restless sleep for as many nights, thrashing and flailing about, and the same with naps. Today I noticed his little bottom around his anus is RED, all over. But he hasn't pooped in as many days either (this not pooping in 4-5 days is rather common for him, unfortunately). So...am I taking too much enzyme (just the regular dose, 1/4 tsp between meals which ends up being maybe 2x a day). Or is it die-off? He has such sensitive skin anyway, my thought is too much enzyme, but I want to get a second (third, fourth) opinion, one more seasoned than my own.

Also I am reading Enzymes for Autism - wonderful book! I am seriously thinking of taking Peptizyde as well - should I wait until the No-Fenol is finished? I'm also taking Betaine HCL with meals. And I am thinking Zyme Prime for DH, he has dermatitis or some such rashy thing and we're thinking maybe food allergies, he's never been tested or anything. He's had this for as long as he can remember. I'm currently doing SCD, but the book gives me hope that maybe the enzymes could be enough and I would be able to go back to NT?

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Not pooping for a long time could be bacterial in nature. Yeast tends to cause loose more frequent stools.

Enzymes took some time for me to work up to, and I still have to be careful and not go overboard with grains. It depends on how damaged your gut is to begin with and whether you can right the balance of good intestinal flora.

The point of "E for A" in my mind is the enormous success high proteases have in aiding inflammation and digestion, as her rec is Zyme Prime plus Peptizyde. This has been my personal experience as well. However, high proteases can be hard to get used to.

I wanted to post this link before re: hyperactivity and proteases to discuss here. We've talked about it a bit on the Nut/Imm 101 thread.

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Serotonin and Nutrient Availability
Copyright 2001. A New Idea to Reduce hyperness, anxiety, repetitive behaviors

The Idea

It may be possible that a particular combination of enzymes and foods are depressing the levels of an amino acid called tryptophan. Trytophan an essential amino acid that is not made by the body and so must be acquired by food. It is the precursor that eventually turns into serotonin...a chemical in the brain which promotes calmness. It might be that the increase in protein breakdown by the protease enzymes may be affecting the tryptophan/serotonin levels of certain individuals and this is why the proteases cause hyperness (along with any of the reasons given above).
http://www.enzymestuff.com/serotonin.htm
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Zinc oxide and Titanium dioxide are also carcinogenic, from what I've read.
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"Yes, I'll look "different" in the locker room, GLORIOUSLY different."

Ok Amy, I'm finally asking, what the heck does this mean???
It is in reference to an intact teenager being in the locker room w/his cut friends. But, we all now that intact boys are on the rise and if I wasn't homeschooling, he would be the majority in the locker room
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I totally think it got too hot. It is very strange, lots of whey and then almost curdles, but not quite. I tried shaking and shaking and shaking, and nothing.

Its hard w/the new season and hot weather, I'm trying to experiment to find a method that works now, vs. 2 months ago.

Going to try that honey recipe And the banana cake I think.
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nak- I did the honey frosting on the banana cake. Not the greatest combo imo.

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Patty, what do you recommend? I was thinking of doing Jane's cashew cake, but it calls for like 10 eggs :
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