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Hi, my son is 34 months old and for the past two months occasionally he has been all of a sudden coming up to me or dh and acting weird. Nothing happens prior to these *episodes*. He comes up to us and looks as if he has done something wrong(you know that look they give you when theyve been getting into say, the flour or something) and then he does not speak. he will mouth words, not whisper them, just mouth them, he wants his paci and teddies and then he goes and lies down very quietly. He appears sad. He does not cry or anything. We try everything to get him out of it, offer ice cream and treats, piggy back rides, stuff he loves, nothing budges him. He does smile some while this is occuring. It lasts about 10/20 minutes. I must say he is a SIDS child, also speech delayed some. Is this anything to be concerned about? IS he just being silly? It is kinda scary!

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It doesn't really sound like this from your post, but could it be a vaccine reaction? Do you know exactly when you started noticing the episodes?

I don't know a lot about food allergies, but the little I do know makes me think your ds would be hyper, not docile, if he were having food allergies (a friend of mine found a huge difference in her aggressive toddler when she cut out all artificial coloring, flavoring, store-bought dairy, etc. - but your little guy isn't being aggressive...).

Just thought I would throw those out as something to look at. Probably not much help!

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Hi thanks for your reply. No, he hasnt had a vaccination since 15 months old, not recently. He also does not appear to have any allergies to food.He is normally a docile child, most of the time anyway. he doesnt eat dairy, or wheat, so I could rule that out to begin with. Thanks for the great ideas!

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I don't have any advice, but if he were my kid and I was getting a weird vibe I'd probably go ahead and make a call to the doctor. But, that's my tendency. How often does it happen?

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Could it be mild seizures? I'd talk to your ped to see if that was a possibility.

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Sounds like it could be a very mild form of epilepsy. I had childhood epilepsy and would often have siezures where I just wouldn't talk, or do much of anything, I'd go to my parents to be held, but just seemed to disconnect with the world.
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Hi thanks for replies. It happens about two times a week that we see/notice.


Piercedboy, if you read this thread again, can you tell me what kind of treatment you had a child with this type of seizure and if you are better now??
I am going to make an appointment tomorrow definitely.

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Childhood epilepsy ususally disapears on its own by around 5 years old. I got diagnosed by a couple catscans and a few hours of electrodes strapped to me. The only treatment my parents were given was a special diet, which they didn't follow, I don't still have the information on it, but I googled it, and it is called a "ketogenic diet" but it is really bad for the heart because its pretty high in fats.

I'd probably go to a doctor and see whether they can classify it as Childhood epilepsy or early onset epilepsy.
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Oooh, and I haven't had a siezure since I was 5.
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Thanks for the response. Glad to hear you are ok now! Thats relieving!

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I'm also wondering about seizures.

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I was thinking seizures, too, or maybe some sort of food allergy. Wheat and dairy can both cause some odd behavior if they're not digested properly. Does your ds have any other odd things, like a stuffy nose, or stiff muscles, or nightwaking?

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Does your ds have any other odd things, like a stuffy nose, or stiff muscles, or nightwaking?


No, none. He sleeps solidly through the night, and also does not eat any wheat and the occasional yougurt(SIDS child, very picky eater anyway)

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sounds like petit mal (absence) seizures. The often start around that age. You might want to get an eeg done just to rule out any more serious seizure disorder. ((hugs)))
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my ds has absence seizures. he just "leaves" for a few seconds, tends to look up and to the left, slight shaking of the head. often when a seizure ends he is exhausted. sometimes they come in clusters and he has one then a small break then another then a break and another. these leave him wiped out, most of the time.

he was diagnosed w/ an EEG. and while it was not very comfortable, the test was almost pain free.

big hugs to you mama.

edited to add.... he is now on medication and doing great. feel free to pm me if you would like more info.
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thank you mama. I am taking him for an eeg as soon as i can get it approved through his insurance.@#$@#!

anyway, will let you know what happens, thanks.

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how are things going?

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Hi, thanks for asking. We are going for the EEG on the 27th. He has not had any more *episodes* in a couple of weeks. I spoke to a specialist who says he has about a 50/50 chance of having petit mal seizures, so we will see what the EEG says. Hopefully nothing will turn up.Thanks mama, Ill let you know next week what went down.

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Hi, how did everything go?

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Wow, so sweet of you to remember us!
I didnt go.:

I chickened out because they told me I would have to sleep deprive ds and then sedate him, and I really didnt want to do either. He has not had any of these episodes since I last posted on this thread though.

I went back to the neurologist, and he says it is most likely it was behavior related though.He has PDD/Sids.

If they come back, he says I can do a 24 hour EEG without sleep deprivation/sedation though.

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I chickened out because they told me I would have to sleep deprive ds and then sedate him, and I really didnt want to do either. He has not had any of these episodes since I last posted on this thread though.
ing for going with mother's instincts.

When I read that he was not having it now, I thought I hope ...

Anyway, I am glad to read that you decided against it.
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That would be pretty tough for everyone. I'm so glad that this seems to be a past tense issue. And now you've got better options if you have to have the EEG. Cool beans. Thanks for updating

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my ds has absence seizures. he just "leaves" for a few seconds, tends to look up and to the left, slight shaking of the head. often when a seizure ends he is exhausted. sometimes they come in clusters and he has one then a small break then another then a break and another. these leave him wiped out, most of the time.

he was diagnosed w/ an EEG. and while it was not very comfortable, the test was almost pain free.
Hi... I know this is a little old, but I was wondering how old your ds is/was when he was diagnosed? My son is 20 months and I am pretty sure he is having absence seizures (he had a very distinct episode a couple evenings ago, and in retrospect his teachers and I think he may have been having them for months). We have a Neurologist appointment in two weeks, but everything I read makes it sound like these almost never happen in little boys under the age of 5 or so... is it just that parents don't notice them? Do you by any chance have any resources you could point me at for toddlers?

Our pediatrician said that an EEG would definitively tell us whether he was having them or not. Do you know if that's so, or if the EEG can miss it? I guess I'm worried about being told I'm a paranoid mom when I KNOW something weird is going on with my baby...

Thanks.
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oh mama, its so incredibly stressful to think something may be wrong with your child.

i'm headed out the door right now, to take ds2 to tae kwon do, but when i return, i'll PM you some details.

are you in the pacific NW?
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I went back to the neurologist, and he says it is most likely it was behavior related though.He has PDD/Sids.
Owen (autism and probably SID) has had episodes that sound like this. His ST actually brought it to my attention, because I had not really given it much thought, just thought it was one of his quirks. Apparently at school he would be doing something then just space out then go back to whatever he was doing. She noticed that a lot of times it happened when they were walking to the gym. He would be walking in the line (which impresses me that he does that ) then just stop all of a sudden and stare off into space. After a few seconds (up to 30 seconds, I'm told) he'll just start walking again.

I took him to his neurologist who said it was probably just a "staring spell", which is apparently not uncommon with children with autism. I've gotten conflicting opinions about whether a "staring spell" is really a seizure or not. I opted not to do an EEG and the neurologist told me things to look for, including eyes going to one side, teeth chattering or grinding during these episodes, and loss of consieousness (sp?). None of those have happened and the episodes have gotten less lately.

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Our pediatrician said that an EEG would definitively tell us whether he was having them or not. Do you know if that's so, or if the EEG can miss it? I guess I'm worried about being told I'm a paranoid mom when I KNOW something weird is going on with my baby...
I'm no expert but I believe an EEG can miss them if the child doesn't have an episode while on the EEG. That was the main reason I wasn't going to have an EEG done on Owen. He didn't have the episodes everyday, so it was a very real possibility of him having a 24 hour EEG (which would have been TORTURE on him) and we still might not have caught anything.

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I opted not to do an EEG and the neurologist told me things to look for, including eyes going to one side, teeth chattering or grinding during these episodes, and loss of consieousness (sp?). None of those have happened and the episodes have gotten less lately.

Exactly the same for my ds. Which is why I also opted not to do the EEG. He did not do any of these things. Also, he hasnt had an epi in months.

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I used to have petit mal seizures when I was a kid. I would blank out and stare into the distance. No blinking, no moving, even if I wanted to. My parents called it "zoning out". (It was not the same thing as absent-mindedly zoning out)
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Owen (autism and probably SID) has had episodes that sound like this. His ST actually brought it to my attention, because I had not really given it much thought, just thought it was one of his quirks. Apparently at school he would be doing something then just space out then go back to whatever he was doing. She noticed that a lot of times it happened when they were walking to the gym. He would be walking in the line (which impresses me that he does that ) then just stop all of a sudden and stare off into space. After a few seconds (up to 30 seconds, I'm told) he'll just start walking again.

I took him to his neurologist who said it was probably just a "staring spell", which is apparently not uncommon with children with autism. I've gotten conflicting opinions about whether a "staring spell" is really a seizure or not. I opted not to do an EEG and the neurologist told me things to look for, including eyes going to one side, teeth chattering or grinding during these episodes, and loss of consieousness (sp?). None of those have happened and the episodes have gotten less lately.
My 7 yo aspie has always done this. It never phased me b/c I "zone out" myself fairly often. Especially if I'm tired, whether physically, mentally, or emotionally.

The talking/whispering thing is different, though.
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I used to have petit mal seizures when I was a kid. I would blank out and stare into the distance. No blinking, no moving, even if I wanted to. My parents called it "zoning out". (It was not the same thing as absent-mindedly zoning out)
my ds suffers from this. its really tiring for him.

did you treat it with medication?

did it go away?
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