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I think the glich with chlorella is that it isn't SCD legal. Firefaery said that she took it anyway with enzymes. I have taken it in the past, but didn't notice much from it.
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Anyone here know about Amines?

For the past month I have been eating SCD legal but allowing myself to eat any veggies I want. And those have been tomatoes, tons of fermented carrots and cabbage, broccoli, red peppers, tons of spinach, avocado, eggplant, tons of other green leafy stuff, and have been using lots of spices. DS's eczema has been getting worse and worse. I found a list of amines and it is basically what I have been eating NOt to mention the list includes many of my migraine triggers. It could explain DS's itchiness after I ate fish and reactions to eggs. But then again it could all be coincidence.

This idea just complicates things further, but also explains why DS improved when I restarted SCD (it was far lower in amines than what I am eating now.)
Am I grabbing at straws here? Is it worth it to try eliminating Amines?

Here is a good list if you desire to see it:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergyd...fi/amines.html

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amines, salicylates, etc are all compounds found in various foods. another good link for salicylates and amines in particular: http://www.zipworld.com.au/~ataraxy/Amines_list.html (indirectly found from http://enzymestuff.com)

i've recently heard about a diet called "FAILSAFE" for food intolerances to additives and various chemicals contained therein (both chemical additives in addition to naturally occurring ones like amines).

has anyone else heard about this? there's a yahoo group for straight FAILSAFE, and another one NT-FAILSAFE (or something like that), incorporating NT principles on top of the FAILSAFE principles.

so....Nolansmom, it might be worthwhile for you to reduce your amine intake and log all responses, then do a small challenge - that would give you an answer.

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I think the glich with chlorella is that it isn't SCD legal. Firefaery said that she took it anyway with enzymes. I have taken it in the past, but didn't notice much from it.
i'm thinking one needs to take a lot to notice anything. kefir makes me detox in some way, i think (stinky pits here). when i take 3 capsules of chorella-spirulina-greens mix after/with my kefir, i'm not so stinky.

on another note - the ND was dead on with the Lumbar 3 connection for ds. (Actually, it is lumbar 1, but close enough i guess) we had totally normal poops this weekend. yay. haven't tried the cina remedy yet because it hasn't come in to the store (silly lady only ordered it today - coulda gotten it sooner had i ordered it online - but no... i had to decide to support local business with this purchase).

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amines, salicylates, etc are all compounds found in various foods. another good link for salicylates and amines in particular: http://www.zipworld.com.au/~ataraxy/Amines_list.html (indirectly found from http://enzymestuff.com)

i've recently heard about a diet called "FAILSAFE" for food intolerances to additives and various chemicals contained therein (both chemical additives in addition to naturally occurring ones like amines).

has anyone else heard about this? there's a yahoo group for straight FAILSAFE, and another one NT-FAILSAFE (or something like that), incorporating NT principles on top of the FAILSAFE principles.

so....Nolansmom, it might be worthwhile for you to reduce your amine intake and log all responses, then do a small challenge - that would give you an answer.
Thanks, I may check out the NT-Failsafe group. Going to get the book tomorrow. More reading, more research...

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Anyone here know about Amines?

For the past month I have been eating SCD legal but allowing myself to eat any veggies I want. And those have been tomatoes, tons of fermented carrots and cabbage, broccoli, red peppers, tons of spinach, avocado, eggplant, tons of other green leafy stuff, and have been using lots of spices. DS's eczema has been getting worse and worse. I found a list of amines and it is basically what I have been eating NOt to mention the list includes many of my migraine triggers. It could explain DS's itchiness after I ate fish and reactions to eggs. But then again it could all be coincidence.

This idea just complicates things further, but also explains why DS improved when I restarted SCD (it was far lower in amines than what I am eating now.)
Am I grabbing at straws here? Is it worth it to try eliminating Amines?

Here is a good list if you desire to see it:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergyd...fi/amines.html
So, would someone be "allergic" to amines? What makes a person sensitive? Is it something to do with digestion or foreign proteins in the bloodstream or what?

It's crazy because my dd has problems with soooo many of the fruits on that list, minus bananas and avocados. Her face gets really red when she eats them, and then, her diaper area and eczema spots (behind one knee and under both arms) turn red. Today, I gave her blackberries (which I thought were "safe") and she had the same reaction. I wonder sometimes if the problem is acidity (they weren't very sweet). I have read that those with dairy allergies are sensitive to tomatoes, oranges, and other citrusy-acidy things *until* they get their allergy under control (after a long period of abstinence??) but I don't understand the mechanism at all.

Bluets: The list you posted (that includes salicylates) is strange because it lists a lot of those same fruits as low in amines. Am I not understanding it correctly?
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So my chiro today (subbing for my reglar chiro who is out on maternity leave) said that she studied of a kind of energy work that somehow stops the mercury from doing damage w/o trying to get it out of the body. She is going to look up the details and we'll talk on Thursday.

I came across This site earlier. It has some interesting info (I've just skimmed it for now.)

Also has anyone heard of NMT?

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Hi mama! I remember all of your help and support when I was just learning that dd had GERD and related issues.

I'm sorry I don't have enough knowledge about that particular blood test to offer advice but wanted to give you a (We had the RAST test done for dd.)
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So, would someone be "allergic" to amines? What makes a person sensitive? Is it something to do with digestion or foreign proteins in the bloodstream or what?

It's crazy because my dd has problems with soooo many of the fruits on that list, minus bananas and avocados. Her face gets really red when she eats them, and then, her diaper area and eczema spots (behind one knee and under both arms) turn red. Today, I gave her blackberries (which I thought were "safe") and she had the same reaction. I wonder sometimes if the problem is acidity (they weren't very sweet). I have read that those with dairy allergies are sensitive to tomatoes, oranges, and other citrusy-acidy things *until* they get their allergy under control (after a long period of abstinence??) but I don't understand the mechanism at all.

Bluets: The list you posted (that includes salicylates) is strange because it lists a lot of those same fruits as low in amines. Am I not understanding it correctly?
Salicylates are phenols, amines are in a different category, they are amino acids. As I understand it one wouldn't be allergic to amines, but rather sensitive to them. However, there is a big crossover of foods high in amines and salicylates. I feel like my whole world has been turned upside down : There is quite a bit of info if you poke around the website I posted.

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Salicylates are phenols, amines are in a different category, they are amino acids. As I understand it one wouldn't be allergic to amines, but rather sensitive to them. However, there is a big crossover of foods high in amines and salicylates. I feel like my whole world has been turned upside down : There is quite a bit of info if you poke around the website I posted.
Thanks. I sometimes wish I didn't care about researching all of this. If I just filled the prescriptions and applied the steroids like a good little patient. Sigh. I guess ignorance really is bliss. I'll start reading up on this tomorrow because my brain is mush tonight.
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Coconut yogurt makers! I have a question:

How will I know if my probiotics are really multiplying? Will the yogurt taste sour? In some ways, making yogurt will be the test to see if my probiotics are actually alive (the company says they are, despite the fact that they arrived to me in an unrefrigerated package, so they were room temp for a few days). Thanks!
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Another question with the chorella thing... what can you use instead of it? I can find Spirulina here, but have never seen chorella. And just by coming back to China and eating proper veggies again I have lost a bunch of weight and have been worried that I am dumping some serious toxins in the bm. And dd's eczema has also gotten WAY worse in this time. Now I am on this elimination diet and pouring oil on everything because I am always hungry (and I eat a lot, a lot of veggies and seeds), but I still am not sure that my weight has stabilised. I would really like to be able to take something to help with the toxins.
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Hi! I'm new here ... I was referred to this thread from the NT forum. Here's what's happening with my 28 m/o dd:

DD has been prone to ear infections, sniffles, colds for the last year or so. I tried to treat them homeopathically the best I knew how, but a couple of times she ended up on antibiotics for very high fevers (over 104) associated with the ear infections. (In my ped's defense -- they DON'T like to give antibiotics and ALWAYS recommend that you give probiotics at the same time and for a month afterwards, to help restore the balance.) She has also had what I thought were night terrors for about the same amount of time ... maybe longer. She would, from a deep sleep, start screaming hysterically. We couldn't rouse her and she didn't know who we were. Everything I read about night terrors said there was nothing to do for them except keep your child from hurting themselves during the episodes.

In October, things seemed to escalate: constant sniffles, terrible cough, ear infections, waking several times a night screaming. She also developed dark, dark circles under her eyes. We attributed them to lack of sleep .... I never connected the issues until I posted on the Nighttime Parenting forum about the night waking a couple of weeks ago (at that point, dd was waking up screaming every hour, taking 20-30 minutes to settle, then waking again the next hour .... all night long). A wonderful mama who I will always be indebted to suggested that a food issue might be causing *everything*.

Did I mention that dd was/is completely dairy-obsessed? At the worst point, she would barely eat anything but cheese/yogurt or drink anything but cow's milk.

So, she's been dairy-free (with 2 notable exceptions*) for about 10 days and her improvement is remarkable: waking once/night and going back to sleep easily with a little snuggling; sniffles & cough all but gone; her diet is back to a more normal variety and her appetite has returned.
* One night 3 days into the elimination, I gave her some Sun Chips with dinner. That's all she would eat from her plate and she went right back that night to waking every hour screaming. I checked the bag the next day and saw they had cheese in them.
* Two nights ago we had veggie stirfry with smoked sausage. She ate more sausage than anybody at the table and had a terrible night, and her sniffles/cough returned. I checked the label the next day and found that the sausage was made with hydrolized whey protein. Who puts milk in SAUSAGE?!? I read EVERY SINGLE LABEL before she gets ANYTHING now ... I have learnt my lesson.

The day I decided to start a dairy elimination diet with her, her allergy test came back. It said that she's not allergic to any of the 18 things they tested her for (milk, wheat, soy among them). So, I don't know if she's allergic or not, but clearly milk makes her sick, so she's done with milk, for at least a little while.

I'm going to post in the allergy threads, too, but it was suggested in the NT forum that, if her gut is healed properly, she may be able to grow out of this and tolerate dairy again. They also suggested that it may be the pasturization process that's the problem, and raw milk may be fine for her. I'm scared to try it right now.

So ... all that to say, I'm here to learn what I can do to help my sweet girl get well. I know I've made some bad decisions that have contributed to the problem, but when you know better, you do better.

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heathenmom, i'm not surprised that they didn't find anything through allergy testing. we didn't either. the traditional allergy scratch tests only look at IgE (the anaphylactic reaction). your dd is probably demonstrating and IgG reaction - which means that undigested large proteins are getting into her system through the gut lining.

the good news is that you can help her

the bad news is that it is often trial and error, and there is lots of work to be done on your part, AND nothing ever works the same from one person to another.

i'm casein-free now (and probably shoulda been casein-free for a long time)... it does take a lot of creativity to find dairy substitutes that you know are casein-free. all is not lost - even though i don't drink milk, i can tolerate home-grown kefir (and probably yogurt) quite well. i keep my ds casein-free too - last fall he was much like your dd - ear infections (though i think we only had 1 real ear infection); congestion; blah blah blah. this fall - we're going through the first bad cold even though he is in fulltime daycare. woohoo. (have i mentioned here that Olbas syrup kicks butt?)

read the sticky that JaneS created about healing the gut. but feel free to ask as many questions as you have

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Another question with the chorella thing... what can you use instead of it? I can find Spirulina here, but have never seen chorella. And just by coming back to China and eating proper veggies again I have lost a bunch of weight and have been worried that I am dumping some serious toxins in the bm. And dd's eczema has also gotten WAY worse in this time. Now I am on this elimination diet and pouring oil on everything because I am always hungry (and I eat a lot, a lot of veggies and seeds), but I still am not sure that my weight has stabilised. I would really like to be able to take something to help with the toxins.
Large doses of vitamin C (sodium acorbate) help eliminate toxins...liquid chlorophyll is supposed to help, too. I would think spirulina would be okay instead of chlorella but I don't really know. Oh, and pascalite clay is supposed to absorb toxins.
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Coconut yogurt makers! I have a question:

How will I know if my probiotics are really multiplying? Will the yogurt taste sour? In some ways, making yogurt will be the test to see if my probiotics are actually alive (the company says they are, despite the fact that they arrived to me in an unrefrigerated package, so they were room temp for a few days). Thanks!
Your yogurt should get at least a little sour and the smell will change, although it may not necessarily smell like yogurt (the type of probiotic influences the smell). My really pricey probiotics were shipped unrefrigerated, too--from what I've read a few days at room temperature isn't going to significantly influence the probiotic counts.
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Sorry to change the topic but I have one question for the ones on a candida diet. Is homemade sourdough bread ok to have since it soaked (fermented) overnight.

Unless you have absolutely no digestive issues it's probably best avoided--grains (even properly prepared ones) tend to be hard to digest, and wheat is one of the hardest to digest. Generally candida diets only allow the easiest to digest grains like rice, buckwheat, aramanth, quinoa, and/or millet.
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I think I need to start focusing more on leaky gut and less on yeast for myself as my yeast symptoms are pretty much gone but I obviously still have a very leaky gut, considering DD now seems to be reacting to everything I eat that's not on the candida diet. Who was it that posted about the supplement (MSM? L-gutamine?) they were taking that helped with their leaky gut--Bluets? Will you post that information again?
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Anyone here know about Amines?

For the past month I have been eating SCD legal but allowing myself to eat any veggies I want. And those have been tomatoes, tons of fermented carrots and cabbage, broccoli, red peppers, tons of spinach, avocado, eggplant, tons of other green leafy stuff, and have been using lots of spices. DS's eczema has been getting worse and worse. I found a list of amines and it is basically what I have been eating NOt to mention the list includes many of my migraine triggers. It could explain DS's itchiness after I ate fish and reactions to eggs. But then again it could all be coincidence.

This idea just complicates things further, but also explains why DS improved when I restarted SCD (it was far lower in amines than what I am eating now.)
Am I grabbing at straws here? Is it worth it to try eliminating Amines?

Here is a good list if you desire to see it:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergyd...fi/amines.html
I was looking at that site again and I'm so overwhelmed! I really don't want to eliminate one more thing, but I really think we're sensitive to amines, too. I'm trying to find out the mechanism behind it, but I can't seem to. That site said that lots of people are sensitive to amines but no one knows why. I wonder if it can be helped by gut healing. I REALLY hope so.
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More on amines:
http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuf...roduction.aspx

This explains the 'FAILSAFE' diet which eliminates salicylates, amines and glutamates.

The more i read about amine/salicylate sensitivity the more I think it is our problem, along with leaky gut. But perhaps my problem with amines caused me to get leaky gut which opened up the door for yeast. This is why I believe amines are my problem: have always been sensitive to any scents (natural or synthetic, high in S's and A's), I crave strongly flavored foods(coffee, dark chocolate, aged cheese, very high in A's), the list of high amine foods is filled with my migraine triggers, DS got a bit better during SCD intro which is lower in amines/salicylates and got worse the more foods I added (like saurkraut, very high in A's), the list could go on and on. But as I read about it I keep thinking 'ah-ha'.

Still in the very early stages of reading and I will make some changes now but the issues are complex (like finding a fresh meat source, like they kill it and I'm eating it 3 days later.)

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More on amines:
http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuf...roduction.aspx

This explains the 'FAILSAFE' diet which eliminates salicylates, amines and glutamates.

The more i read about amine/salicylate sensitivity the more I think it is our problem, along with leaky gut. But perhaps my problem with amines caused me to get leaky gut which opened up the door for yeast. This is why I believe amines are my problem: have always been sensitive to any scents (natural or synthetic, high in S's and A's), I crave strongly flavored foods(coffee, dark chocolate, aged cheese, very high in A's), the list of high amine foods is filled with my migraine triggers, DS got a bit better during SCD intro which is lower in amines/salicylates and got worse the more foods I added (like saurkraut, very high in A's), the list could go on and on. But as I read about it I keep thinking 'ah-ha'.

Still in the very early stages of reading and I will make some changes now but the issues are complex (like finding a fresh meat source, like they kill it and I'm eating it 3 days later.)
That link is very interesting! So, presumably, enzymes would help amine-sensitivity, too?

I'm going to look around the Failsafe forum later today when I have time. I noticed just now after glancing through it that the parents over there are challenging it after a period of time, just like an allergy challenge. So, I guess there is hope to overcome it.

BTW, I've started getting hive-like bumps on my torso when I eat the high amine fruits (pineapple and blackberries most noteably). I've never had that problem until after the antibiotics I had when dd was born. So, it seems like it's all part of gut-healing.
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I think I need to start focusing more on leaky gut and less on yeast for myself as my yeast symptoms are pretty much gone but I obviously still have a very leaky gut, considering DD now seems to be reacting to everything I eat that's not on the candida diet. Who was it that posted about the supplement (MSM? L-gutamine?) they were taking that helped with their leaky gut--Bluets? Will you post that information again?
okie dokie...

i started out for a month on RenewLife's "IntestiNew" product and MSM. during that time, I cut out 99% of grains and sugar - was pretty much eating meat (no grassfed but mostly lamb, chicken, pork sausages), veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, carrots coz that's all that ds likes), fruit (apples, sometimes strawberries but mostly apples which are high in pectin - also good in gut healing), nuts (almonds, cashews occasionally, walnuts, pecans). started 1300mg x 4 of EPO.

then I added homemade sauerkraut, pickles, kefir and applied NT principles to beans and rice but had beans/brown rice only once a week.

then i switched to Metagenics' Glutagenics and their UltraFlora Plus DF probiotic. ND told me to use Beano for foods when I was having troubles digesting stuff, but particularly beans. started KAL UltraOmega 3 6 9 (4 capsules per day) plus 4 x 1300mg EPO. did this all for 3 months. at some point in there, i added in sourdough bread (French Meadow brand).

so i started this in April and by September I felt I could expand to different foods (that's when I started getting creative beyond meat and steamed veggies - like fancier recipes from NT or Cathe's "Vegetarian Mother's Cookbook" and so on. i think it was some time in November when my gut got weird - too many rice flour products (unsoaked), too many fancy sauces, too many beans, etc. and something happened to my kefir but now that's all better AND we're doing slightly simpler meals (much much less stressful) and i'm feeling better again.

a little off-topic:
the Metagenics products are pricey but very well studied and subjected to lots of quality control. ND says that he used to shop around for supplements but having gone through some vendor-led training sessions (he works at the HFS in the supplements section), he prefers the bigger name companies like the parent company for KAL, Standard Process and Metagenics because they have the money to do rigorous quality control studies on their products. yes, they are nutriceutical companies but at least they aren't pharmaceutical companies. with some of the legislation being pushed through, i bet it will be these nutriceutical companies that will remain once the little guys can't afford the paperwork and testing as required by the incoming laws. (i'd cite legislation numbers but i'd have to do some serious hunting, but you might watch the video on google about Codex Alimentarius)

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More on amines:
http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuf...roduction.aspx

This explains the 'FAILSAFE' diet which eliminates salicylates, amines and glutamates.

The more i read about amine/salicylate sensitivity the more I think it is our problem, along with leaky gut. But perhaps my problem with amines caused me to get leaky gut which opened up the door for yeast. This is why I believe amines are my problem: have always been sensitive to any scents (natural or synthetic, high in S's and A's), I crave strongly flavored foods(coffee, dark chocolate, aged cheese, very high in A's), the list of high amine foods is filled with my migraine triggers, DS got a bit better during SCD intro which is lower in amines/salicylates and got worse the more foods I added (like saurkraut, very high in A's), the list could go on and on. But as I read about it I keep thinking 'ah-ha'.

Still in the very early stages of reading and I will make some changes now but the issues are complex (like finding a fresh meat source, like they kill it and I'm eating it 3 days later.)

if you read the list of forbidden foods, you'll notice that bone broths are out on the FAILSAFE diet.

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I'm doing scd. No dairy. I added red meat into my diet probably 6-8 months ago. At that point my iron was 28. I got blood work from my Dr today saying that it is now 20. I used to see a different Dr in the practice and she was concerned about my level being 28. She has left the practice and the Dr I am now seeing isn't concerned (but possibly didn't realize that this was a drop for me). I try to get liver. I probably get it about 1x a month but that is way better than I used to. I also eat red meat 2-4x a week if not more and I wasn't eating any before earlier this year.
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This is just an idea based on some reading I've been doing. You're doing the meat, so that's good. Iron is more easily absorbed from meat. Your digestion isn't all that it could be. Why not try fermenting a vegetable juice with vegetables high in iron? Spinach is the big one. Add something sweet to make it palatable. Find a good recipe from raw foodists, but then ferment it with water kefir grains. I can send you some if you need them. The problem with these vegetables usually is that they are high in oxalates which bind iron, but I just found a very interesting study about fermented carrot juice and the increased solubility of iron (I have been looking for this for months). Carrots aren't particularly high in iron but they are high in oxalates and the fermentation took care of that. Such a juice would give you beneficial bacteria as well which could help your gut.

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More on amines:
http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuf...roduction.aspx

This explains the 'FAILSAFE' diet which eliminates salicylates, amines and glutamates.

The more i read about amine/salicylate sensitivity the more I think it is our problem, along with leaky gut. But perhaps my problem with amines caused me to get leaky gut which opened up the door for yeast. This is why I believe amines are my problem: have always been sensitive to any scents (natural or synthetic, high in S's and A's), I crave strongly flavored foods(coffee, dark chocolate, aged cheese, very high in A's), the list of high amine foods is filled with my migraine triggers, DS got a bit better during SCD intro which is lower in amines/salicylates and got worse the more foods I added (like saurkraut, very high in A's), the list could go on and on. But as I read about it I keep thinking 'ah-ha'.

Still in the very early stages of reading and I will make some changes now but the issues are complex (like finding a fresh meat source, like they kill it and I'm eating it 3 days later.)
You know, looking at the lists again (particularly that color-coded one) I would have to say that our problem is much more salicylates than amines. The berries and melons are problematic for us, but they do not contain amines. The tropical fruits are a problem, too, but they contain both salicylates and amines. I wish the list broke them down to see the amounts for both. http://www.users.bigpond.com/mywebho...hor-Frui-36300

Also, I react when I eat too much the food (like the huge container of blackberries I ate yesterday: ). A few don't bother me, but too many do. I woke up with hivey things on my side and tummy today and dd's face got red after eating them (and though it was clear by this morning, she cried all night because her tummy was hurting so bad She felt great once she have a bm. Sorry for the tmi.

This is all so hard to figure out. :
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Patty,

This is just an idea based on some reading I've been doing. You're doing the meat, so that's good. Iron is more easily absorbed from meat. Your digestion isn't all that it could be. Why not try fermenting a vegetable juice with vegetables high in iron? Spinach is the big one. Add something sweet to make it palatable. Find a good recipe from raw foodists, but then ferment it with water kefir grains. I can send you some if you need them. The problem with these vegetables usually is that they are high in oxalates which bind iron, but I just found a very interesting study about fermented carrot juice and the increased solubility of iron (I have been looking for this for months). Carrots aren't particularly high in iron but they are high in oxalates and the fermentation took care of that. Such a juice would give you beneficial bacteria as well which could help your gut.

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if you read the list of forbidden foods, you'll notice that bone broths are out on the FAILSAFE diet.
yeah . Gelatine is out, All well/overcooked meats are out. And guess what I have been eating lately: crockpot meals with meats that have been cooking slowly for hours. Im going to have to figure out how to have a healthy diet, eat less amines and heal my gut. GFCF sounds so easy now I don't see this as an all or nothing thing for us (yet), perhaps if I lessen the total load of amines there will be things that we can tolerate in moderation.

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Good point. Yes.
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Oh, ladies. Our sagas keep continuing, don't they. Mine is. And I am wondering if any of you have any thoughts because I am a bit : about all of it.

I had my third and most sever face rash, which started Thursday a week ago. It keeps getting better every day, but is still not completely gone. I would say I had my first one in the last 2-3 months. The middle one was mild, but only two weeks after I healed from the first one. This one was worse and is lasting longer. And I almost feel that it is starting up again -- feeling very itching on my neck and cheeks at times, and my eyelids are red, which is how it always starts. I think that my doc is a bit concerned about anaphalytic shock and perscribed me an epipen, among other things.

He also did some allergy testing (blood). The results are very inconculsive. He tested most things that I eat with regularity: carrot, corn, apple, avocado, banana, almond, cashews, cinnamon, coconut, gluten, walnut, chick pea, coffee. The results for ALL of them is .35 kU/L. Below .35 is "absent/undectable" and then the next range is .35-.70, considered low level. My take from this is that I do not have a full-blown allergy to anything, but seem to be reacting a bit to everything???

He gave me a referral to a GI guy and a dermotologist. I am not sure how much the derm can help me, but he thought I should get an endoscopy done, and I suggested being tested for the hyliobactor pylori (sp?), since I seem to have gastritis.

I have been taking a Nexum a day, which I know I need to cut out. I just got the book that saskiasmom recommended, Stop Heartburn Naturally in 30 Days. I haven't gotten very far, but looks promising.

Part of my problem is that I have no idea what I react to. There seems not to be any direct corelation between what I eat and how my body responds. My stomach pain/nausea is hugely better since I cut out coffee and even caffienated black tea, but that is about it.

I was debating starting SCD again. I don't feel that it helped me hugely, but maybe a little? I think there is a anti-candida diet recommendation in the Heartburn book, so might check that out too.

I have an appointment with the GI guy tomorrow. I am tempted to cancel and go after the holidays, but I am also curious as to what he might say. But will it be anything I want to hear?!?!
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couldn't it be done just be doing kimchi style concoctions? i'm thinking about the kimchi recipe in wild fermentation or the gingered carrots in NT. you could either stuff all the veggies into the jar, fill with water and then stuff in some grains and let it ferment OR you could run the veggies through a food processor or blender, then squish it into a jar, top with water if needed and drop in the grains. perhaps put the grains in a nutmilk bag first.

not that i've tried this

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