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I'm not familiar with *********, but I seem to have gotten the impression 'round here that it's not very credible. Does anyone else have an opinion on that?
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This website does not pussyfoot around,says it like it is..............verry bold,most really dont want to know what's going on with the pharmaceutical companies.Some have slandered this site ,To hear the truth is Not a pleasant thing...................agreed.

Most vaccine/drug websites seem credible because the AMA,CDC,FDA has their stamp on site. Manipulation of facts via rhetoric and colorfull adds,ad a makebelief of onsite informative articles. Yet are these "credible"............?

Do you really think the FDA protects the sick? With their slick websites.........
Some seem to think so.
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Here's the main page for WhaleTo and some quotes. Judge for yourself....

On allopathy, which it sees as a form of fascism:....Allopathic Medicine is mostly based around patentable drugs (pharmaceutical medicine), with radiation and surgery. Administered by the 'Medical Profession' who are all medical doctors. These medical doctors who only use the drug company products are called Allopaths, as opposed to the ones who use alternative medicine (non-Allopathic), such as nutrients. It is run by the Medical Mafia. One of the best kept secrets is the Allopathic medical monopoly. The merger of State with Corporate power is called Fascism, so this is medical Fascism.... Suppressed or ignored dozens of disease cures in cancer, AIDS, Alzheimer's, arthritis, heart disease etc, as this Tyrant runs on Power & money fuelled by fear of disease, propaganda & it's covert monopoly. Ego denial helps keep her in power. This Empress when naked is Satanic (vaccination: 666) & run by psychopaths. One of the main money sources for the Elite, hence its power. Just like most soldiers have no idea about the real reasons for wars like Iraq, most medical workers have no idea Allopathy is run purely for profit, and is out to harm and kill. To see its true nature exposed see one of its main rackets--Cancer.]...

On the "real" reason for vaccinations: ....Vaccination is used for covert-genocide, either to take out your own troops with gulf war syndrome or the "useless eaters" in Africa...

It thinks vaccines are used as part of a worldwide "depopulation" plan: The covert-depopulation programme is done through wars, vaccination, and weather control leading to famine, in the main.

It's a big believer in mind control: ....Mind control is the matrix of the covert-Fascist state, a creation of Psychopathic Ego/Self Importance programming, consisting mostly of information control--- enforced ignorance so propaganda (lies) can flourish which includes suppression of the truth, such as non-cartel medicine and disease causes, and assassination of truth speakers or competition. Other tools can be seen here, which includes electronic & chemical. Truth kills mind control, and therefore Fascism.. [aka: Big Brother,The Naked Emperor, The Secret or Shadow government, Illuminati, Anunnaki. Big Brother is a fourth veil belief. This is FASCISM. He works through various Cartels/Monopolies to enslave and rob the population (know as Corporatism & Globalisation) in league with the fascist pseudo-democratic government & intelligence cartels, hence his power. The main control ploy is Mind control (ranging from simple information control, ego stimulating, to total mind control (Monarch).) It is quite an experience to wake up and find you are living in Orwell's "1984" world and the Dept of Homeland Security--with, in the UK, cameras on every street corner, every car tracked (by satellite & road cameras) & internal passports! ] ...

...And demons, which it believes are the following: These are Inner Space tyrants either attached through Monarch mind control or able to attach to aura due to alcoloholism or other long term drug abuse.

It's all pretty paranoid: The Cartels all work together under "Big Brother's" control. The government's are all Fascist pseudo-democracies, run by Big Brother/Illuminati, with the Corporations being the bandits, robbing the poor to pay the rich, with the Intelligence community acting as their Secret Police, while the Politicians dance on strings to keep the public mesmerised. Run by psychopaths.

But don't recommend counseling as this is what it thinks about psychiatry: Psychiatry is a medical (Allopathic) specialty dealing with mental illness. Psychiatrists have been, and are, at the heart of the Mind Control programme (which tells a story), see: Programmers, and Cameron, West, Estabrooks, Sargant, Adey. No Psychiatric drugs has ever cured anyone, they get them on the market by fraud and control of the FDA, media and government, and they just create a victim for milking over a lifetime, while enslaving any thinking or spiritual ability. With just the Benzodiazepines we have 1.3 million addicts in the UK alone (10 million worldwide?), with the next generation of drugs doing the same thing with Prozac, and Ritalin----millions of children are now being set up for addiction (3.6 million USA children on ADHD drugs). Not forgetting the millions who have been lured into taking drugs for no reason purely to make money, and damaged as a result, e.g. by the antipsychotics, and even in the womb with the Benzodiazepines.

In case you are concerned, it does provide information to avoid "mind control":
Waves below 6 cycles per second caused the subjects to become very emotionally upset and disrupted bodily functions. At 8.2 cycles they felt very high... at 11 to 11.3 cycles induced waves of depressed agitation leading to riotous behavior." [I’ll spell it out for the reader, but we must remain calm, a fear-based response only makes things worse.] Yes, it is true that the NSA can remotely track people if they know the specific EMF waves (evoked potentials from EEGs in the 30-50 Hz, 5 milliwatt range) of a person’s bioelectric field. Each person’s emissions are unique, just like their fingerprint, palmprint, and their voiceprint. This means that the NSA can remotely track anyone in public. And yes, it is true that the NSA’s RNM system can remotely send EMF Brain stimulation signals which create visual images, subliminal audios, what appear to be audible sounds, and thoughts into people’s minds. Yes, it is true that body suits of implants are used to control people’s minds and bodies, as well as track them. Yes, it is true they have voice prints of hundreds of thousands of Americans and can identify & track via their computers all electronic communications in this nation. Most phone calls go through about 30 computers before they reach their destination. The phone companies computers, according to someone who worked for AT&T and witnessed it, record ALL phone calls using computers.

Do not, however, turn on tv for reports of all this mind control/satanism/fascism as your tv is against you: What about the subliminal programming that happens with television? The FCC "ruled" years ago that it was illegal, but it never stopped. You find it more common on cable tv. There are using subliminal conditioning on all cable networks. They use it to emphasize different elements of what you are seeing around you. People end up being brainwashed and stay ignorant. What are some of the capabilities they have? The government has vans that drive around that are capable of complete mind disruption. They have used it before to kill a man in his house in fifteen minutes. All it takes is four helicopters flying in tandem to completely mentally wreck a city if they have those pods on them. The pods are an outgrowth of the Phoenix project. They, can produce heavy mood control over a city. They are going into areas beyond the electromagnetic. They are trying to increase the,stress level in the population. It is no secret that Bechtel was laying cables under major metropolitan areas several years-ago,claiming that it was being laid for others" whom they wouldn't reveal. It had nothing to do with electric, telephone or cable TV

And has lots on assination plots, including how Columbine was a government-lead plan to ban handguns: ....These killings are not random acts of teenage violence. These school killings are a planned, methodical attack on the American Constitution and the freedom which is enjoyed but taken for granted by citizens of the United States of America. The method of the attack is designed to inflame anger and hysteria in the American public. The media whips up the anger and hysteria and keeps it fresh in America’s mind, with continual graphic, around the clock, "overkill" coverage and commentary of the dead and wounded victims, the pain and suffering of the families, and the traumatic scars left on America’s children. The President uses the hysteria of the moment to blame guns for the problems in Americas schools and with America’s children.

Those are unedited quotations from that site. Decide for yourself whether the the site is a reliable source of information that, in Tyler's words, "does not pussyfoot around, says it like it is...verry bold". All I can say is
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Thanks for the comments and summaries, Chrisstiana. I'd never have been able to make myself read all that!
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Crisstiana, I'm really glad you posted those quotes! I looked at the original links and rolled my eyes but didn't check out the rest of the site.
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I always get disappointed when I see a mother (or any person) looking past the article and go so blatantly at destroying the source.


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I always get disappointed when I see a mother (or any person) looking past the article and go so blatantly at destroying the source.
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I do not understand how posting unedited quotes from a site is "destroying" it. I did not take anything out of context or manipulate what was written. How is it destroyed? Let say you examine what's written on that site and find some of it baseless, or paranoid, or nonsensical, or bizarre. Did you "destroy" it by analyzing its credibility and finding it lacking? Part of what makes MDC a vibrant community is the members's ability to think and investigate for themselves. The only way to do that fully is to examine the sources of information and their credibility to the best of our ability. To call that "destroying" a source is to disparage independent thought. As Bluebottle wrote, sources matter. If they didn't, no one would bother linking to them in the first place. As a result, it is up to the individual to decide if the source is credible. I just provided more information for people to make that decision themselves. WhaleTo destroys itself.
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I always, always, always question the source. And I hope to teach my children the same for a million different reasons. If they don't, I will be very worried for their safety, health, and moral value systems. I especially hope that0 they will question me, heaven knows I am questionable.

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I agree. And if someone happens to agree with the <ahem> unsavory details of this site, then it wouldn't be destruction at all, it would be dissemination of information.

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Dear Gitti
Great Link............Thank you! Ditto..............

a great quote by epictetus " it is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows............." Ladies?
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http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/04/02/29.php

The NYC testing of HIV drugs on orphans.

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BUT they are still using children as lab rats -


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"We were told that if they were vomiting, if they lost their ability to walk, if they were having diarrhoea, if they were dying, then all of this was because of their HIV infection."

In fact it was the drugs that were making the children ill and the children had been enrolled on the secret trials without their relatives' or guardians' knowledge.
Is the information more alarming when it is posted on a different site?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ld/4038375.stm

http://www.hope4kidz.org/kids_cry/guineapigsNY.html
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Those last links made me sick to my stomach
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Thank you Ladies once again for the well informed links!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To add to this subject; "Death in the Air" by Leonard Horowitz Great book! has a chapter on exper. on kids without consent from parents.

This was done in the 1990's in California at the famous "Kaiser Permanente hospital" Northern calif.
A new toxic vaccine was tried on ethnic groups of babies,without the parents knowing (not done on white babies) only latino/blacks were used for this experm.
This is in violation of the World wide "Nurenberg code of ethics" the USA was in violation and nothing happened as punishment, for most of the children died as a result. (page 360 in the book) The original document is posted.


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On the "real" reason for vaccinations: ....Vaccination is used for covert-genocide, either to take out your own troops with gulf war syndrome or the "useless eaters" in Africa...

It thinks vaccines are used as part of a worldwide "depopulation" plan: The covert-depopulation programme is done through wars, vaccination, and weather control leading to famine, in the main.
Nice.

There are a lot of "dog whistle" terms in there. This is meant to catch the attention of folks that are all paranoid about the "New World Order."
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This is in violation of the World wide "Nurenberg code of ethics" the USA was in violation and nothing happened as punishment, for most of the children died as a result. (page 360 in the book) The original document is posted.
There's a "Nuremberg" document is where "useless eaters" is supposed to come from, right? Or was it a Truman ordered study? I forget.

Eventually, all that ends up with "THIS IS WHY WE KILLED PEOPLE IN EL SALVADOR" and "ChemTrails take out old people" and "The U.N. is going to destroy democracy and makes us all into slaves for Baal, then Jesus will return, and boy won't you all be sorry!!"
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I think my question of the site in the first place stems from frustration that there is a line (albeit somewhat blurry sometimes) b/w outright illogical paranoia and conspiracy theory that is worthy of investigation. I'm absolutely convinced that there are many things about my govn't, big Pharma, big Oil etc. that would horrify me if I knew. There are too many examples from history to not be aware that 'the greater good' mentality is employed much more than is really good for anyone, imho.

So my irritation with whaleto is that if I'm trying to educate myself and others, it regresses my credibility to use it. I'm not saying all the articles on it are false. But if there is no criterion for being too 'crazy' to be included, I don't know what to believe of any of it.
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So my irritation with whaleto is that if I'm trying to educate myself and others, it regresses my credibility to use it. I'm not saying all the articles on it are false. But if there is no criterion for being too 'crazy' to be included, I don't know what to believe of any of it.
I completely agree, GM.
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I don't know who Baal is or why Jesus would want to come anywhere near here. But here's a bit on El Salvador:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/06/1443253


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ROBERT PARRY: Right. They often were called terrorists. People forget that the war on terror was also being applied in Central America, even though it was often the security forces of the governments of El Salvador and Guatemala that were conducting the terror. The 75,000 people killed in El Salvador that Mr. Cheney mentioned, the vast majority, the vast, vast majority were killed by Salvadoran security forces and not in battle but taken out and executed, often tortured and raped first. This was a bloody mess, and the United States, under then President Reagan and Vice President Bush, supported it, and they advocated it, and they tried to cover up the facts of the matter. It was -- what we saw in El Salvador and Central America in the 1980's in parallel in some ways. There was a concept that was being brought to bear at the time called perception management. It really emanates from the C.I.A. It was a concept that they had which was then increasingly applied to the American people. The idea is that if you can control how a population perceives events, you can then dictate the policies responding to false facts. And in Central America, the idea was to create a myth about what was occurring there, and creating a great deal of fear among Americans about the Soviet Union somehow establishing a beachhead and then attacking through Texas.
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Thanks Treereach
For your link!
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I don't know who Baal is or why Jesus would want to come anywhere near here. But here's a bit on El Salvador:
The conspiracy theory on El Salvador is that we went down there because they refused our help in lowering their birth rates.

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/wo...population.htm

Like I said, "dog whistle" terms. If you're "in the club" you hear a whole different story.

"Useless eaters" is a phrase used when talking about population control and nefarious government plans to reject God's plan that humankind be fruitful and multiply, using war, "chemtrails," vaccines, AIDS, selective famine, etc. It's related to a secret society (The Club of Rome and something called "The Committee of 300," in this case, I do believe, but for some reason it always comes back to Jewish Bankers and/or the Illuminati, ya know?) controlling mankind for their own evil, and usually anti-Christian, agenda.

More: http://www.geocities.com/newageinter...pulation1.html
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The conspiracy theory on El Salvador is that we went down there because they refused our help in lowering their birth rates.

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/wo...population.htm

Like I said, "dog whistle" terms. If you're "in the club" you hear a whole different story.

"Useless eaters" is a phrase used when talking about population control and nefarious government plans to reject God's plan that humankind be fruitful and multiply, using war, "chemtrails," vaccines, AIDS, selective famine, etc. It's related to a secret society (The Club of Rome and something called "The Committee of 300," in this case, I do believe, but for some reason it always comes back to Jewish Bankers and/or the Illuminati, ya know?) controlling mankind for their own evil, and usually anti-Christian, agenda.

More: http://www.geocities.com/newageinter...pulation1.html
Wow...interesting in a didn't-know-it-exists-and-find-it-fascinating-while-completely-rejecting-it sort of way. Not knowing much about conspiracies, I completely missed the references. Thanks for the info, Glendora!
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But what if it's true? : (not the illuminati part) I hear all the time about our birth rates dropping. What if they're trying to, 'bring everyone up to speed', industrially speaking, so we can maintain dominance?
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But what if it's true? : (not the illuminati part) I hear all the time about our birth rates dropping. What if they're trying to, 'bring everyone up to speed', industrially speaking, so we can maintain dominance?
My general opinion on conspiracy theories of that kind of magnitude--the goofy secret societies, the hidden occult agendas, all that--is that anyone that sincerely believes it's a secret that rich dudes control the world's resources just wants to feel like they are special with Super Secret Squirrel Knowledge the rest of us plebes can't HANDLE!!!

I mean... look at Congress, look at the tops of the Fortune 1000, look at the publicly stated goals of permanent hegemony in US foreign policy. There's no conspiracy. Rich people control the world in a pretty open fashion. They always have. It doesn't take a brain washing, or hidden alien bases, or secret handshakes.

That said, the "population control" theory simply doesn't make any sense, unless you add a heavy dose of pretty ridiculous mysticism.

Let's say you're Evil Industrialist. Which is better? Large, desperate populations are perfect populations to take advantage of in an industrial sense--they're work for less, in crappier conditions, for longer hours, at more dangerous jobs. What good is a healthy, "up-to-speed" third world population to corporate multinationals? The "resource distribution" explanation doesn't hold water. The west will let you starve. We've got absolutely no problem with it, collectively. The only way to make the "population control" concept feasible is to invent a group with an overarching pathological commitment to science ("Secular Humanism"), and paint it in vaguely religious tones. And, really... that just doesn't make any sense.
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http://www.mercola.com/2007/mar/24/i...ssian-kids.htm

GlaxoSmithKline vaccines
denied claims of neurological illnesses?


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GlaxoSmithKline vaccines
denied claims of neurological illnesses?


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Isn't this Mercola guy a quack?

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He is only the messenger,the Original articles are posted via the link.As he ALWAYS DOES. None of the posted articles are by Mercola himself,the direct links are always enclosed. in this case
Direct links to:
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But, you didn't link to the articles. You linked to Mercola's opinion of the articles. Why should I listen to Mercola trying to sell me things over some other salesman trying to sell me things?
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Listen ............your well and abel to link on the original articles all by yourself arent you?
And the point here is?
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MOSCOW, March 2 (Reuters) - Russian prosecutors are investigating a local hospital on suspicions it illegally tested vaccines made by GlaxoSmithKline Plc (GSK.L: Quote, Profile , Research) on toddlers, making them ill and hampering their development.

Europe's biggest drugmaker denied the claims and said there was no evidence of adverse events or misconduct in the way the study had been carried out.

Glaxo vaccines were tested on more than 100 children between one and two years of age at the hospital in Volgograd after Russian health authorities approved the trials in 2005.

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But prosecutors claim parents were not properly informed and they thought these were routine vaccinations.

According to the prosecutors, Glaxo paid the clinic in southwestern Russia $50,000 to conduct the trials, which made some children ill.

"According to the contract, only healthy children can take part in this experiment," said a spokeswoman for the Volgograd region prosecutors, Lydia Sergeyeva.

"In this case all children were sent for trials, healthy or unhealthy
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