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Ever since I've started doing the Power Shake, which is noted in Tired of Being Tired, I've felt a difference, even more than I did when I first started supplements. It also seems to be doing my immune system some good. I chose the apple cinnamon one, since the others seemed to be a little complicated. I throw in some coconut juice, raspberries and some vanilla-flavored stevia for good measure....the energy is amazing...I'm still tired but not life before. The probiotics in the green food have really helped, since my husband and son have been fighting some intestinal bug for two weeks but I have yet to get it and I think it's the probiotics.

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Manonash- you can order your own test from the Canary Club and then you only need a dr to sign it. maybe you could find a doc in finding your tribe or the stopthethyroidmadness website.

The doc that runs Canary Club signs it. You just have to order it and send it out....
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It's time for another adrenal test and I was wondering what all I have
to stop taking and how long before I can test? I take isocort,
iodoral, thyroid, multi's, calcium, magnesium, b complex, probiotics,
cod liver oil, herbal tincture for stress and going to sleep, vitamin
c, iron and some others.
Also, I know I asked this before but I still can't seem to understand
it. What is the real difference in a 4 tube test and 2 tube. My ND
says that a 2 tube is just as good, and I know people here say to use
the 4 tube, but why? What can I say to my doc in defense of the 4 tube
test?
Thanks!!

You need to stop taking isocort for 2 weeks. Not sure if your checking thyroid function or not but if you are and you're taking Armour or T3 then you need to take your last dose no less than 12 hours before the test.
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I was also wondering about pregnancy. How long before I wanna get pregnant do I need to stop the isocort and thyroid, and what can I do during pregnancy to help??

You definately need to continue the thyroid.

As far as the Isocort, it has other herbs in it that you may not want to take long term while pregnant. For example I don't believe you are supposed to take echinacea over long periods of time. I would switch to just Hydrocortisone (Isocort has 15mg of HC in it).

In 2006 I had 2 miscarriages before I got myself switched to Armour(from Levoxyl). I also discovered that I had adrenal fatigue and I started taking 20mg of hydrocortisone.

I got pregnant last March and continued the Armour and Hydrocortisone (both had to be raised during pregnancy). In Dec I had a perfectly healthy baby girl.

Both Thyroid and Armour are replacing what your body needs. If you don't take HC during pregnancy then you will take cortisol away from your baby.

If you are concerned about taking HC while pregnant I recommend the book "Safe Uses of Cortisol". It is expensive at $50 but it will set your mind at ease.

I do think that it's important that youare optimized on both Thyroid and HC before you become pregnant though.
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Has anyone ordered the diagnostics test from canary club lately? I got mine a week or so ago and need to test sometime wed. through friday.

They've just added a free thyroid screening, but on the sheet it talks about getting your blood serum sample and saliva sample within two hours of eachother. What do they mean? Are they referring to one of the cortisol saliva samples or is there an extra one that goes with the new blood test?

Let's hope I don't screw this up!

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I was told I need to stop both the thyroid and the adrenals for 4 weeks before I test from ZRT. They said because I have been on the adrenals since July that I should be off them for 4 weeks before testing.
I was wondering about the echinacea in the Isocort. I've been on Isocort since about August and I wonder about the echinacea being safe. My mom has autoimmune and our naturopath isn't concerned even with her using it.
My mom had breast cancer in 2005 and her markers keep getting worse. Her WBC is dropping and it seems like all the work the naturopath is doing isn't helping. Anyone have any idea what to do??
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I don't know if this is what I have, but taking an online quiz sure seems to spell out what's happening to me/how I feel. How do you get your doctor to do an ASI test for you?

I've had blood drawn at least 5 times in the past 2 weeks (spent time in the ER and a lot of time on the couch resting). I have been ordered to take salt tablets and salt the heck out of everything. I feel great after mega salt consumption, but I'm afraid of overdoing it.

I keep having waves of feeling like I'm going to slip out of myself, faint, not so much dizziness but like I'm just going to stop being here, KWIM? I almost passed out in the doc's office so he called the EMT's and rushed me to the ER for all these tests. I have a good feeling it's Adreanals, but he seems to think it was just the flu (I've had the flu before, that was NOT the flu)

anyway, anyone have any BTDT advice? thanks!
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Metasequoia... just read your initial post - I've missed this thread somehow - and I'm really curious, especially about the cutting out caffeine and eating lots of salt angle. I CRAVE lots of salt. I heavily salt everything (I use "RealSalt"). You'd think I didn't taste it. I've always wondered if I'm self-medicating. I drink tons of coffee too and have been wondering how this is impacting me. I also notice I'm rarely thirsty.

Subbing and I'm going to try to catch-up on this thread.

(p.s., let's get together! You can tell me how to cut out coffee and I can tell you how to avoid grains! What a fun playgroup! Salt water and hard-boiled eggs for everyone! Wheee!) lol
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Hi everyone, can I join your little club?

I am having trouble deciding what is wrong with me.

I have lyme, that much is evident however i am having
very horrible, scary symptoms that i think are traced to
one or two core causes. I suspect Adrenal Fatigue...

Severe Adrenal Fatigue...

Here are my symptoms someone help me out


1. Waking up feeling EXTREMELY sleep deprived. Even after
8 or close to 8 hours of sleep i can hardly get out of bed
because i feel like ive hardly slept at all. If I get less than
8 hours omg i swear i will die, it literally feels like i will die.

I will feel extremely stressed, have heart palpitations, muscle
cramps and just feel so tired i could die until i get a few naps
in that day. Last few days its been really bad and ive spent
most of the day in bed trying to nap.

2. Panic Attacks and Sensitivity to supplements. I read that
B complex is important for Adrenal fatigue however i get
severe panic attacks with my Vitamins and B complex
I am taking, this never used to happen so i dont know
what is going on. I just know I am getting weaker, exhausted
nervous and severely debilitated...it is scary


3. Noise sensitivity, and sometimes wake up in the middle of
the night, if I am particularly unlucky ( esp around my cycle)
It will take me hours to fall back asleep. This absolutely
kills me.

I am currently taking Drenamin right now, working up to 4 a day.
A friend of mine who is in School for her ND license and is already
a Health care practicioner says i need 6. I cant help but
feel aside from detoxing and doing this I am missing something.
Ive been taking 2 a day for a long time which isnt cutting it.

Not sure if I have adrenal fatigue or if maybe it is my liver...
though i doubt my liver would do all of this to me. I am actually
getting quite fearful though..i mean it is REALLY bad whatever it is,
much worse tiredness and fatigue than i have read about.

I have no money right now and cannot afford to see a professional.

Thanks everyone, let me know what you think!
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I also wanted to add that I am getting dark circles under my eyes...

This is coming from someone who has never had dark circles
ever!
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I would check out the Nutrition 101 thread at the top of the vax forum. Some really good info there.

It sounds like you may be anemic so I would look into that. I remember reading the vitamin c deficiency and magnesium def. can be associated with heart palpitations. Especailly with the cramps I would suggest some magnesium. Natural calm is a great brand and I would stick to the plain one, just dilute it enough that you don't taste it much. It's really good for calming and helping to fall asleep.

Make sure you are watching your blood sugar, meaning eat small meals throughout the day. Try to make sure you get some protein with each meal. And some veggies. Try not to eat much grains, and if so, pick low gluten such as brown rice. They even have brown rice bread, and trader joes sells a great brown rice pasta.

Try to get in some coconut oil. I get Nutiva's big one from iherb.com . It's a great price.

I will try to write more later, but the info in this thread is good. And if you can afford it I really recommend a saliva test and thyroid test. www.canaryclub.org has 2 for a great price.
There's also a yahoo group with very helpful ladies.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...ENALS/messages
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention back pain in the middle of my back,
it comes and goes, seems to coincide with these symptoms though.

I know that cant be good...
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I've started chiro therapy and with all the nerve blocking going on in my neck and back, it's no wonder I've had so much issue with my thyroid, sinuses, digestion, and adrenals.

I'm doing the pro adjuster method of chiro therapy and so far, so good. I am sore, but that is expected as out of whack I am.

Look here to see what part of your spinal nerves connect to what part of your body. As you can see, mid-back (T-11 ) is connected to your adrenals, but know that that if you are out of whack elsewhere it can still have an effect on other parts of your spine. Everything is connected and can be related due to that connection.

If anyone chooses to go the chiro therapy route, be sure to up your parsley and astragalus for the detox support as well as for great support for the adrenals. IN fact, just for the adrenal support alone we all ought to have a good daily dose of these herbs, esp. the parsley which also supports the thyroid.

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1. Waking up feeling EXTREMELY sleep deprived. Even after
8 or close to 8 hours of sleep i can hardly get out of bed
because i feel like ive hardly slept at all. If I get less than
8 hours omg i swear i will die, it literally feels like i will die.

3. Noise sensitivity, and sometimes wake up in the middle of
the night, if I am particularly unlucky ( esp around my cycle)
It will take me hours to fall back asleep. This absolutely
kills me.

I have no money right now and cannot afford to see a professional.
As soon as you can afford it, you need a sleep study and some testing for your cortisol levels am and pm. you are probably having sleep problems from your cortisol rising and falling, and that also contributes to the racing heart and panic attacks in the daytime, the cortisol falls, adrenaline rushes and you feel panicked.

When I had a sleep study, they found that I wasn't getting to the REM state, so I was walking around in a state of constant exhaustion. You may need to take something to help you stay asleep while you treat your adrenals.

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Jeanne: You sound a lot like me. I found these sites quite helpful:

http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

http://www.drrind.com/scorecard.asp#intro

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_do..._fatigue.cfm#3

I LOVE the stopthethyroidmadness site, but apparently the forum is closed to new posting?

Also, what do you know about cortisol steal during pg? Are there long term concenquences for the children? I feel this may have been me. I felt GREAT during pg -- almost all my symptoms gone.

I can't tell you how excited I am to have discovered this AF thing. Thank you so much for this thread!
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the forum is closed to new posting, but there is a link to another forum.

I think it's realthyroidhelp.com

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WOW. Thank you for this. The adrenal column is where I fall 90% of it. It's uncanny. Even things like "wakes 2-4am", and "vertical wrinkles on finger pads" and "tends to feel lightheaded upon getting up" (I have serious problems with this and my blood pressure is like 100/55 on a good day) - weird.

I kind of thought after dropping the excess weight this past year and stopping eating grains/sugars I was good. SO MANY of my health problems have gone away (irregular periods, acne, etc.) - the PCOS-like symptoms especially. So I thought if I just keep this up I'll have perfect health. Now I'm not so sure. I wonder if I have some actual healing to do, kwim?

I'm so glad I found this thread.
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Sadly cannot afford sleep study, the best i could do is get
the salivary panel by Canary club, but i cant even do that
now.

I know Drenamin is a good supplement for severe AF. I just
have not been taking much of it, maybe 1 pill, or 2 here and
there. I know it is important i know how low it is, but i simply
have no money

I do have access to some good supplements but I didnt realize
it was my adrenals until recently! I know the lyme plays a part
in all this and is probably stressing them out more.

I do have some Mannatonin ( melatonin/valerian supp) for
sleeping, though i have been trying NOT to take it.
The sleep distruption gets worse around ovulation, is
there a reason for that?

http://ezinearticles.com/?Adrenal-Burnout&id=502938

One of the main symptoms of Adrenal Burnout is waking up
after 8-10 hours of sleep feeling like you hardly slept.

Gawd this is awful, does it get better? I'll probably have
a harder time treating them cuz i have lyme....crap.
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Has anyone tried acupuncture to stimulate the adrenal gland??

My fog-brain does not allow me to remember whether anyone has written anything about it before.

Ps - thanks for the symtoms-matrix, Manonash. Very useful - I fit right into the "adrenal category"!
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Sadly cannot afford sleep study, the best i could do is get
the salivary panel by Canary club, but i cant even do that
now.

I know Drenamin is a good supplement for severe AF. I just
have not been taking much of it, maybe 1 pill, or 2 here and
there. I know it is important i know how low it is, but i simply
have no money

I do have access to some good supplements but I didnt realize
it was my adrenals until recently! I know the lyme plays a part
in all this and is probably stressing them out more.

I do have some Mannatonin ( melatonin/valerian supp) for
sleeping, though i have been trying NOT to take it.
The sleep distruption gets worse around ovulation, is
there a reason for that?

http://ezinearticles.com/?Adrenal-Burnout&id=502938

One of the main symptoms of Adrenal Burnout is waking up
after 8-10 hours of sleep feeling like you hardly slept.

Gawd this is awful, does it get better? I'll probably have
a harder time treating them cuz i have lyme....crap.
I don't know about ovulation, but for me all my hormones were seriously out of whack. I started using a progesterone cream and a lot of my problems went away because I apparently had too much estrogen, and I forget what the relationship is to cortisol, but it is related somehow. In the few months that I've been taking hydrocortisone and using progesterone I've noticed a huge difference in the anxiety and adrenaline rushes. I use a time released melatonin I got for less than $5 and it seems to be helping with the sleep. I am still on my prescription but I've lowered it to half of what the doc prescribed and so far no ill effects since I added the time released melatonin with the HC and progesterone.

Have you joined the natural thyroid hormones adrenals group on yahoo? even if you don't think you have any problems with your thyroid you may want to join and just read. They have a lot of valuable info. There is also a womens hormones group that may be of use to you.

Keep googling and reading. There are a lot of things you can try even if you can't find a cooperative doc or pay for a lot of tests.

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MommyHawk - Just wanted to tell you that your wording describes to a "T" how my adrenal fatigue has felt, particularly when I am hurried (ie. trying/rushing out the door) or have needed to make some sudden exertion. I may just borrow your wording the next time my hubby says, "What's wrong?" I've often just said, my whole body feels very vulnerable and unpredictable at the moment!! Take the collective advice from this thread. Hope it's helpful. I sympathize and empathize
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I also fit into the adrenal catergory HIGH.

I do have Thyroid symptoms as well and i did join that group.
I read if you adrenals are bad...so is your thyroid.

So far im just on Drenamin, i have heard really great reviews
on it from other Adrenal sufferers. I will be getting on some
Plus soon, it is a Mannatech supplement, with wild yam
and bound amino acids. Does Wild yam make Progesterone?

Gawd i feel awful. I know this cant JUST be my lyme, there
is something majorly out of whack in my body, my instincts
are that they are primarly hormonal and partially detox,
i really need to balance the 'mones and detox my body.

ughh..

If my hubbie gets this new job ill be able to pay for a salivary panel.
I heard you have to go off all hormone suppport supps to do that?
oh NO!

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Both Thyroid and Armour are replacing what your body needs. If you don't take HC during pregnancy then you will take cortisol away from your baby.
My poor babies must not have much in the way of cortisol. Dd1 is already showing multiple signs of AF.

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Metasequoia... just read your initial post - I've missed this thread somehow - and I'm really curious, especially about the cutting out caffeine and eating lots of salt angle. I CRAVE lots of salt. I heavily salt everything (I use "RealSalt"). You'd think I didn't taste it. I've always wondered if I'm self-medicating. I drink tons of coffee too and have been wondering how this is impacting me. I also notice I'm rarely thirsty.

Subbing and I'm going to try to catch-up on this thread.

(p.s., let's get together! You can tell me how to cut out coffee and I can tell you how to avoid grains! What a fun playgroup! Salt water and hard-boiled eggs for everyone! Wheee!) lol
Definitely try cutting out caffeine! It's soooo hard on the adrenals. I heavily salt everything too - it's too bad Americans have been brainwashed with the "salt is bad!" myth, salt is *vital*! I let my kids use as much salt as they'd like (after I salt their food to begin with.) We use both Celtic Sea Salt (I've read that's the best of the best) & I just bought some pretty pinkish Redmond's yesterday just for a little something different.

The only grains I'm eating are millet & quinoa, oh and rice, but I don't really think of that as a grain.

Jeanne D'Arc, Lyme is how I ended up crashing into AF. I had my thrid child, my son, in March of 2006. When he was about 6 weeks old, I started having achey knees (didn't think of the fact that I wore him constantly on my front & he was *heavy.* I started Googling & came up with Lyme. I convinced myself I had it, started posting on Lymenet - biggest mistake of my life. I read how Lyme can be transmitted through pregnancy & bfing while I was breastfeeding my newborn & my 3 year old Dd2. I couldn't wean, it went against everything I knew. I ended up weaning Dd2 at 3.5 years just in case but continued to nurse Ds. I remember laying in my bed, sobbing while I nursed him, my skin burning all over my body from the excess cortisol. I have never, ever been so stressed in my entire life. Every cry Ds made had to be Lyme, every time Dd2 said something hurt, it had to be Lyme, I was a wreck.

Anywho, long story short, I never did get a conclusive answer about the Lyme. I don't have joint pain anymore, never had fatigue. I found a fantabulous naturopath who saved my life, I'm convinced of it. I kept saying, "what about Lyme??" and he said, "even my Lyme patients won't heal until they heal their adrenals." I'm sure it works both ways, your adrenals are no doubt shot because of the physical stress of the Lyme. I think treating the Lyme while simultaneously supporting your adrenals would benefit you. It's hard to say what you need since you don't know if you have too much cortisol or not enough - it all depends what stage you're in. My guess would be not enough cortisol, but who knows for sure.

I hope your DH gets the job so you can do the ASI so you know where to start. In teh meantime, as long as you don't hve high BP, you could consume *a lot* of high quality salt, cut out caffeine, cut out potassium rich foods & add in some licorice - the one that isn't de-glycchorized (or whatever it is.) Vitamin c is big too & it makes me wonder if the salt-c treatment for Lyme works because the salt & c are healing the adrenals.

Homeschoolin' Mama chicken3.gifto Dd1 2/3/00, Dd2 1/13/03, Ds1 3/11/06 & Ds2 11/18/10!!
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Sadly i cannot consume Ginseng, Licorice or Mega doses ( even
small doses ) of B complex.

It gives me horrible panic attacks and burns up my Adrenals even more.
There was a website i saw which said that is not uncommon in Adrenal
patients.

Even my Drenamin glandular gave me a 2 hour panic attack last night,
course i took more than i am used to...go slow i guess..right?

I also thought the adrenals need a certain kind of vitamin C...
correct?

I am sure Adrenal burnout is a predominant symptom in many
Lyme patients.
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look into Spirulina as an option, perhaps.

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Is it the sodium or the other minerals? Why is salt so important? Is it a correct assumption that you can eat as much as you want and it won't be hard on your kidneys & adrenals?

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Ugh my drenamin is making me nervous now..

Why?

I even lowered the dose down ALLOT. I only took one pill.
I dont want to hurt my adrenals more, but they need support! ;(

I guess i could try half a pill at a time on a full stomach tomorrow...erghh
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What do I need to know about switching from isocort to HC?? Or is there something better to switch to?
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Is it the sodium or the other minerals? Why is salt so important? Is it a correct assumption that you can eat as much as you want and it won't be hard on your kidneys & adrenals?

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It's the trace minerals and esp. the iodine in the salt, but not just any ol' table salt though. I prefer unrefined Celtic Sea Salt, due to the NATURAL source of iodine.

Also seaweed (Norwegian, Dulse, and Bladderwrack are what seems to be the best choices) will provide natural iodine and trace minerals that is needed to support, normalize and balance the adrenals and thyroid. If you can, fresh sea fish as well for this very reason.

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