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One weird thing I've noticed (and I wanted to see if anyone else had) is that my body temperature drops after I get up and start doing stuff in the morning. I found out by accident and then started checking periodically--it drops by about 0.7-0.9 deg F after I get out of bed and walk to the bathroom, wash my face, etc. This seems like the type of thing that's related. Is it, or is it just me?
I wonder if this correlates with blood pressure dropping upon rising?

Are you sure it's not just because you are warm & cozy in your bed?

I'll have to check mine for a few days.

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Metasequoia,

Thanks for pointing me here from the other thread. Off to read through the posts!
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I had my appointment today - blood pressure was up to 100/60 from last month's 94/50 & it climbed a bit upon standing.

I've been feeling more irritable lately & we discussed it being the pregnenolone but decided to try cutting out the B-complex first as it can overstimulate some people.

I said that when I put my arms above my head, they hurt & I couldn't tell if it was a restricted circulation kind of hurt or a stretching kind of hurt but my doctor explained that with blood pressure this low, often times there's not enough pressure to pump blood to all of the muscles - lack of blood = lack of oxygen = pain.

So for now I'm holding steady at 30mg pregnenolone, the Mil Adregen 3 Xs a day & cutting out the B complex. If I'm still overly irritable after cutting out the B, I'm supposed to stop the pregnenolone & see how I feel. Oh yea, he gave me licorice to start - Dr. Baschetti's Licorice Extract - he said it's the best available. I'm to mix it with hot milk or water & drink it first thing in the morning. (After I make sure that it's safe while BFing.)

I feel good that there was an explanation for the pain - I hope that's it.

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Ooooo, this is neat - about the licorice:

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Take 1 cup of hot, hot water & add 4 level TBSP of licorice powder & slowly stir until dissolved. Let it cool to room temp, stirring occasionally to make sure it dissolves thoroughly.
Poor into 2 quart container & add enough cow's/goat's/coconut milk to fill container to the top.
Keep refridgerated. (Not sure how much to take! I'll have to email my doc.)

Here's the interesting part:

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The licorice extract inhibits 11 beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (11-BHOD) in the kidneys. 11-BHOD is the enzyme that inactivates cortisol. People with adrenal insufficiency do not retain enough sodium, and have an excess of potassium. The ratio between our body's sodium & potassium is like a seesaw. If one goes up, the other is down. Blocking 11-BHOD in the kidneys allows cortisol access to the mineralocorticoid receptors triggering an increased retention of sodium and a lowering of potassium. This action brings a person with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome into sodium/potassium balance, therefore, supplementing these individuals with otassium is not needed nor recommended.
The increased sodium causes the body to conserve water, which quickly increases your overall blood volume. Increased blood volume indirecty increases blood pressure by increasing the efficiency of the heart.

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I've known for sure I had adrenal fatigue since before ds3 was born. I didn't treat it sufficiently and when I got pregnant, I got extremely sick from the adrenal fatigue. I still haven't recovered from that pregnancy and it's been almost 3 years (still bfing).

I'm fortunate because my midwife is also an ND who graduated from Bastyr. She knows a great deal about adrenal fatigue and got me through my last pregnancy with no complications to the baby.

My problem now is that I know what helps me, but I'm so scatterbrained that I forget to do it a lot of the time. I can't afford all the supplements I need, and I can't afford to go to my ND and get tested either. So I guess I'm going to have to figure out how to get better on my own in spite of my inability to commit to a treatment plan!

I also wanted to mention that homeopathy can be extremely helpful for AF sufferers. The remedy I need now is Natrum Mur. I will have to order it in a high potency when I get the money. (Nat Mur is homeopathically potentized sea salt)

Working with a classical homeopath along with your other doctors might be helpful!
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Hi, I've been folloeing this thread with interest. A lot of this sounds familiar. I have MS, so it's always hard to decifer what is causing what. But over the years, I've had a handful of drs. suggest that my adrenals might be a problem. And Lord knows I've had enough stress!

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I said that when I put my arms above my head, they hurt & I couldn't tell if it was a restricted circulation kind of hurt or a stretching kind of hurt but my doctor explained that with blood pressure this low, often times there's not enough pressure to pump blood to all of the muscles - lack of blood = lack of oxygen = pain.
Wow, I've had that all my life! That I can remember, anyway. I never knew it was abnormal until dh told me. He and another PT have guessed that some hole in my colar bone (can't remember the name), where some nerves and/or muscles come through (I'm so technical ), is too small.

But this explanation makes a lot of sense. I've always had low bp, too, although for a long time I didn't realize it was a problem. So many drs. congratulated me on it. Such ignorance. I was there complaining of fatigue, and they just congratulated me on a probable cause!

So, can a person develop adrenal fatigue early in life? I've also always had low bp, a low body temp, and I've been fairly low energy since I was about 10 (with it gradually getting worse).

I have a question for those who have studied this a fair amount. Can adrenal fatigue affect blood sugar regulation? I occasionally have a high fasting number, but we can't figure out why. Otherwise my blood sugar is good. Just curious if it's connected.

Well, I'm already doing a lot of the things you mention, so I'll do more reading, and maybe try some adrenal glandular.

Thanks for starting this thread.

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One weird thing I've noticed (and I wanted to see if anyone else had) is that my body temperature drops after I get up and start doing stuff in the morning. I found out by accident and then started checking periodically--it drops by about 0.7-0.9 deg F after I get out of bed and walk to the bathroom, wash my face, etc. This seems like the type of thing that's related. Is it, or is it just me?
Tanya,
I discovered this about myself just yesterday! I'm temping for ttc purposes and took it before I went to the bathroom (97.91) and then did a few things, got back in bed, and snoozed for a minute. Then I was curious and took temp again and it was 97.84. Weird!!

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Yes, hypoglycemia is a common symptom, usually the first. My Dd1 (age 7) is showing signs of adrenal dysfunction. I asked my doctor yesterday & he said that his Dd (also 7) is also showing signs. He's also into WAP & said that he works with her on her stress/anxiety issues & how to relax & makes sure to serve lots of organ meats.

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Is it safe to take DHEA while nursing?
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"I am trying a gluten-free, casein-free diet. I didn't expect to feel any different (I tried it because my health care provider said it would be good for me and I figured I'd give it a shot) and whoa! I started to feel significantly better in just a couple days. I mean, I can still tell I’m not normal healthy, but it was a real difference. Isn't this amazing? I was just wondering if anyone else in the thread had seen improvement with dietary changes like this, and I log on and read your post. : It made me feel less like a nutcase (I’ve been having pangs lately, I think they’ll subside pretty soon). So thanks for posting.[/QUOTE]"

I am seeing a np after getting dx'd hypothyroid. My antibodies to thyroid were thru the roof. She also feels I have adrenal fatigue. Anyway...b/c my throid antibodies were way up she suggested there was likely an underlying "irritant" in my system. I am off diary for years now and I noticed great improvement when I went off. She told me to try gluten-free living and I have been for 4 weeks now and I must say my symptoms are slowly improving. I am also taking adrenal and thyroid support supplements so it's difficult to say exactly where the improvement comes from.

this is a greta thread!
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Just one more thing....why? Why do so many of us have this adrenal fatigue? Anyone know what the suspected causes of it are? High stress lifestyle??? poor diet? Just wondering...
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Is it safe to take DHEA while nursing?
Yes, but only after having a full ASI (adrenal stress index via saliva test.) If you're low on DHEA, it's okay to supplement bioidentically what you're lacking - but you need to make sure what your levels are & blood tests aren't reliable.

FYI: DHEA is an androgen, it often causes masculine side effects in women where as pregnenolone does not. My doctor (& Dr. Poesnecker - maybe Wilson too) use DHEA for their male patients & pregnenolone for their female patients.

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Just one more thing....why? Why do so many of us have this adrenal fatigue? Anyone know what the suspected causes of it are? High stress lifestyle??? poor diet? Just wondering...
Both. We don't get enough sleep, we don't have the "village" that we're supposed to have, we're waaaay over-stressed & our diets aren't (usually) what they should be.

Think about just giving birth - most women nowadays are up taking care of other children within days!

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Is there a mail order saliva test place? I live in the middle of nowhere and I guarantee there's no one nearby who does it.
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Is there a mail order saliva test place? I live in the middle of nowhere and I guarantee there's no one nearby who does it.
See post #5.

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Woo hoo, this thread is conveniently back at the top for me.

I had my first appointment yesterday with a naturopath. Only one appointment in and this model of care is already a million times better than the conventional docs I've seen in the past. We spent 2 HOURS going through my health history. Why in the world did I not pursue this earlier?

I'm picking up my DiagnosTechs ASI collection kit from her as soon as she gets it in, then another couple weeks for the collection, mailing, and lab analysis. I'll tell you what I told her - I'm really afraid everything will come back 'normal' and I'll still have no answers. I'll update when I find out anything.
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I did read post 5, and from what I can tell from what I've read, a doctor has to order the test for you.
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To get your kit online you have to go thorough Canary Club (they use Diagnos-techs). You order it and their doctor signs of on it. A full thyroid, adrenal and sex hormone panel costs about $141.00.

http://thecanaryclub.org/content/view/196/52/
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I did read post 5, and from what I can tell from what I've read, a doctor has to order the test for you.
You can order through the Canary Club or you can order the test & just have your regular doc sign for it - the results would be sent to both you & your doctor. I assumed that you had a doctor (or chiro) but perhaps you don't. I've ordered tests before & just showed up at my doc's office to have her sign & it only took a minute - no need to pay for an appointment or anything. If you do have a doc, would he/she just sign for you?

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Cyberpria- My HCP thinks the mercury in my amalgams is an underlying factor that made me susceptible (hence the gluten-free, casein-free diet). I know, for me, the stress of a year of spousal unemployment and getting pregnant in the middle of said year was the straw that broke the camel's back, but I think years of pathetic eating, not slowing down and enjoying life the way I should have, and the mercury were significant factors as well. I'm actually looking to get my amalgams removed in the Jan/Feb timeframe (before that I need to a-get healthier, and b-wean the little one, earlier than I had anticipated but I think the best balance possible for all of us).

And isn't doing the hypothyroid and adrenal fatigue thing at the same time fun? (note the sarcasm). I'm with you there.

And Metasequoia, I'm learning a lot from the thread. Thanks!
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My dh is a grad student. I don't have insurance. Most doctors won't see you at all if you don't have insurance. THanks for the info on the canary club.
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My dh is a grad student. I don't have insurance. Most doctors won't see you at all if you don't have insurance. THanks for the info on the canary club.
It doesn't need to be an MD. I have a naturopath (ND) signing mine. Considering ND's aren't even licensed in the state of Colorado, insurance is a non-issue - they're not covered. Sounds like a chiro could sign it also, I don't know any chiros that only accept insurance.

Are you sure he's not paying for insurance through the school's health center as part of his fees?
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Fascinating! My dh was dx w/this last winter by our ND. He spent big bux at our reg dr having multiple tests only to be told: "Son, you're fine. Just rest up some."

Interesting condition. He took Astragalus as his "main" supplement. He did recover now and is fine.

to all of us who are affected by it.
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Thanks so much for the Diagnos-Techs provider website. I found an MD who works with a ND and offers the saliva test and supplements, hormone testing and adrenal testing, etc. just a few miles away from me.

Off to send DH the link and explain why I need it...
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OK, I need some advice from you all. The MD in my area charges about $350 for a 40 minute initial consult and then you order your appropriate saliva and blood tests, and then about $150 for a follow up visit a month or two later with results and a plan presented to you. She doesn't bill insurance but says they will often cover a good part of the consult and blood tests if the patient self submits them.

Or there is a chiro about the same distance in the other direction on the diagnos-techs provider list that offers the test and has all the Standard Process supplements and specializes in nutrition among other things. I'm sure the inital consult is less and my insurance covers a certain amount of chiro visits every year (although I've used about 1/2 of them on a more "traditional" chiro when I strained my back moving a few months ago so I'd guess I'd have to switch chiros.)

Any advice on which of the two I should see? It seems like I'd get more out of the chiro for less $$ unless the MD is very experienced in adrenal fatigue, but if both of them can read saliva test results it might not matter and that's what I really want right now. (And to show thrifty DH that we're getting our money's worth!)

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It doesn't need to be an MD. I have a naturopath (ND) signing mine. Considering ND's aren't even licensed in the state of Colorado, insurance is a non-issue - they're not covered. Sounds like a chiro could sign it also, I don't know any chiros that only accept insurance.

Are you sure he's not paying for insurance through the school's health center as part of his fees?
Yeah, he pays for insurance for himself. Insurance for me only, not the kids, would be $800/mo. That's half his salary, before taxes.

There are 2 new ND's in our town, but their fees are astronomical. I already ordered the tests through the canary club. I tsays they won't interpret them for you, though, so I guess I'll have to see a doc. I'm planning on going to the student health clinic since they give me the student spouse discount, and if they can't help me, I guess I'll have to suck it up and pay the $300 to see the ND. That's just for the first appt. I think it's less per appt after the first.
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OK, I need some advice from you all. The MD in my area charges about $350 for a 40 minute initial consult and then you order your appropriate saliva and blood tests, and then about $150 for a follow up visit a month or two later with results and a plan presented to you. She doesn't bill insurance but says they will often cover a good part of the consult and blood tests if the patient self submits them.

Or there is a chiro about the same distance in the other direction on the diagnos-techs provider list that offers the test and has all the Standard Process supplements and specializes in nutrition among other things. I'm sure the inital consult is less and my insurance covers a certain amount of chiro visits every year (although I've used about 1/2 of them on a more "traditional" chiro when I strained my back moving a few months ago so I'd guess I'd have to switch chiros.)

Any advice on which of the two I should see? It seems like I'd get more out of the chiro for less $$ unless the MD is very experienced in adrenal fatigue, but if both of them can read saliva test results it might not matter and that's what I really want right now. (And to show thrifty DH that we're getting our money's worth!)

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$350 is outrageous! How do any doctors expect people to pay this kind of money? And then $150 for the follow-ups?!

Here's what I would do: Call Clymer Healing Center & ask how much it costs for over the phone treatment. While you're talking to them (Krista will probably answer, she's German & really nice) ask if *they* have a list of providers who know about AF. Fwiw, my awesome doctor wasn't listed on the Diagnos-Techs site!!! And he treats people all over the world!

If that is too much, I'd go with a chiro, $45 is a reasonable price for a visit, I've spent anywhere from $35-$65 for an adjustment but $45 seems to be the common cost.
It sounds like the chiro you found *might* know what he/she's doing, but my chiro also has supplements for AF & I'd self-treat before I allowed her to teat my adrenal fatigue. Even my regular doc *thinks* she knows what she's doing but the experience just isn't there. I realize how lucky I am to have found a doctor who specializes in this AND is nearby.

I'd take the chiro over the MD. And try to get the two books I listed in the first post, it's good to get a basic understnding of this so that you know if your doctor/chiro is on the right path.

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Thanks for the advice. I will do *something* this week. I need to take action!

I'd love to hear what kind of practitioner others went to and whether you had any insurance coverage but most importantly good results.

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: After reading this thread, I just know this is my problem. Luckily I have an appt in a few days with a ND/homeopath. I almost asked my MD for a prescription for prozac. I think I'll try the testing and natural route first.

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I am almost positive I have AF!!

I posted on the Thyroid thread about being "borderline" hypo....

I feel foggy brained just typing this out....

I have not had the saliva test done, but I recently had FULL (I think) blood work done adn that is how I found out about my thyroid and high cholesterol.

Is it possible to still have AF and your cortisol levels be normal??

I have all the blood test results in front of me

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Is it possible to still have AF and your cortisol levels be normal??

I have all the blood test results in front of me
If you're going by blood work, yes. Saliva tests are the only way to go for AF. Check out the different results between my blood & saliva results in the first post.

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