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Can someone tell me if perifiral neropathy is part of this? I have just been diagnosed with this and I have numbness in my face, neck and upper back and toung that has been undiagnosed as of yet..
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How would one fix this dysfuntion?

Thank you SO much for explaining this to me.
i think you might need to do some more pinpointing to figure out the exact problem. if your CYP pathway is dysfunctional, you'll have additional problems: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....120501.150216

so... i'd start digging to see if there are tests to determine genetic mutations in the steroid hormone pathway that you can take to find out exactly which one (if any) you have. or see if there are tests for other metabolites downstream from androstenedione to see if there are other pathways... i'm not sure if these hydroxylases are enzymes that one can take orally.

what i did learn in this digging is that some of the chemo drugs for breast cancer therapy try to suppress the conversion of androstenedione to estrone.

should we spin off your steroid hormone pathway discussion into its own thread? or do you think this still belongs in this gigantic thread?

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i think you might need to do some more pinpointing to figure out the exact problem. if your CYP pathway is dysfunctional, you'll have additional problems: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....120501.150216

so... i'd start digging to see if there are tests to determine genetic mutations in the steroid hormone pathway that you can take to find out exactly which one (if any) you have. or see if there are tests for other metabolites downstream from androstenedione to see if there are other pathways... i'm not sure if these hydroxylases are enzymes that one can take orally.

what i did learn in this digging is that some of the chemo drugs for breast cancer therapy try to suppress the conversion of androstenedione to estrone.

should we spin off your steroid hormone pathway discussion into its own thread? or do you think this still belongs in this gigantic thread?
I think I need to be a member of something to read that page you linked to.

I think I'm getting lost - my head is spinning.

What does that imply about the chemo drugs? That I could have somehow been exposed to this & therefore my build up of androstenedione could be because it's not converting to estrone? My mother never took chemo drugs, nor have I.

We can definitely make a spin-off thread, but I have no idea what to title it...all of this pathway talk if Greek to me.

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In response to "The Adrenal Fatigue Thread"

 

I was amazed after i read your post.  I too have Adrenal Fatigue, and just finished my first appt (after my saliza test results) with Dr. Neville.  It seems you and I are reading from the same book. All of your test results and medications he recommended are very much the same as mine.

 

I've been on a journey now for almost 20 years trying to figure out some of my issues, the biggest one being weight gain or inability to loose weight.  No matter what do, extreme exercise, low calories, etc. nothing seem to work.  Although, while doing this type of extreme physical activity 6 days a week for the past 15 years, I've damaged my adrenal glands even  more.  I'm excited to know, there is hope to feeling better. Some of my symptoms are; anxiety, depression, hair falling out, foggy thinking, light headedness, dehydration, heart palpitations, weight issues, etc.

 

For the past 10 years, I've only ate a whole food diet, so that won't have to change much.  Dr. Neville and I discussed my exercise program.  I didn't think I could go without any exercise at all, so we compromised.  I'll be shortening duration of training and replacing my strenuous routine with a more relaxing walk or stationary bike type of exercise. No more spinning classes, circuit and interval training, or running for me.  I'll still maintain my weight training regime, but perhaps not so heavy or frequently.

 

No way to eliminate my stressful job at the moment, so that I'll just to deal with.  I'll need to work on not letting things stress me out too much and learn to roll with the punches. Just do your best and let the cards fall where they will. Being that I'm in sales, that's easier said than done.  Something to work towards...breath...relax.

 

All the medicaitons you listed are the same ones he put me on too.  So, i'm taking all those plus my regular mult vitamin, vitamin c,  b complex, selenium, thyroid complex, vitamin e and kelp.  I noticed a big difference when I started taking kelp.  You're right we need lots of salt and kelp has really help replace alot of the iodine my body was lacking. So, in actually it's not the salt that you need, it's the iodine it possess. The best form of iodine can be found in a unrefined salt product. Much like the one you mentioned.  I had a iodine test taken and I was only 50% to capacity.  Normal levels should be around 90%.

 

In addition to seeing Dr. Neville, I also see Arlene Curley from the Greenshire Art Consortium. She is a Reiki Master and works on adrenal glands too.  She's wonderful and I would highly recommend seeing her as another part of your adrenal routine. She is affiliated with the Clymer Center and had originally recommeded I see Dr. Neville.

 

I'm interested in seeing more posts from you and read about your progress, and I'll do the same.

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I'm amazed how long this original thread is.

 

I just reread my last post on this thread (we have a new adrenal fatigue thread because this one got too long for the server) and we were talking about chemo drugs. I've since found out that a chemo drug is used to end pregnancies that aren't where they should be (ectopic) and it got me wondering where else chemo drugs are used besides cancer treatment... Interesting.


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Hi Metasequoia,

I am also recovering from adrenal fatigue. it is quite a complex process to heal your adrenals, because there a quite some factors that influence the adrenals. What i found out is that the adrenals are quite resilient, but like everything else they need to get a break to heal. Most important is to understand that there are root causes and other causes.
In my case mercury was the root cause, but gluten was definitely a cause in my lack of progress.

To support my adrenals i use a supplement called metarelax: Metarelax supplement, this calms me a bit down during the day and it helps me with my sleep during the night. Since i use it i have better sleep, with lots more deep sleep (sleep app). I also use some other supplements, vitamin C en E are quite important.

Have you made much progress since?
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I was wondering if any of you have had adrenal fatigue during pregnancy. I feel like I have had to quit taking many supplements. What has helped you that is safe.
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I've posted in a few threads about my recent diagnosis of Adrenal Fatigue &amp; have had a few requests to start a specific thread, so here it goes!<br>
Anyone else who is on this journey to heal their adrenals, please join in the discussion! I plan on updating after every appointment.<br><br>
I go to <a href="http://www.healing.org/" target="_blank">Clymer Healing Center</a> in Quakertown, PA. Dr. Neville (95% of his patients are adrenal patients), has phone-appts from all over the world every day. Last time I was there, he had one from Poland &amp; one from Turkey. Here's their other <a href="http://www.chronicfatigue.org/" target="_blank">site</a>, on CFIDS/Fibro (see below.)<br><br>
I did an ASI saliva test (Adrenal Stress Index.) That should be the first step - my doctor ordered mine through <a href="http://www.diagnostechs.com/main.htm" target="_blank">DiagnosTechs</a> lab. After that, he came up with a healing plan. Everyone is different &amp; the saliva test is essential in finding out what phase of adrenal exhaustion you're in. It cost me $99.<br><br>
Here are my saliva test results:<br><br>
Adrenal Stress Index (ASI) 3/07:<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Free cortisol rhythym</span>****** Reference Range<br><br>
7:00-8:00am - <b>10 Depressed</b> 13-24 nM<br>
11:00-noon - <b>3 Depressed</b> 5-10 nM<br>
4:00-5:00pm - <b>2 Depressed</b> 3-8 nM<br>
11:00-midnight - <b>2 Normal</b> 1-4 nM<br><br>
Cortisol burden - <b>17</b> 23-42<br><br><br>
DHEA - <b>2 - Depressed</b> 3-10 ng/ml<br><br>
According to the "Cortisol-DHEA Correlation Zone, I am in zone 7 (Adrenal Fatigue), the lowest possible zone - 1 is the highest &amp; is called "Adapted to Stress."<br><br>
I also have Hypoglycemia, which is the first symptom of adrenal fatigue - I've had it for as long as I can remember.<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Total Salivary SIgA</span> Reference Range<br><br><b>5 - Depressed</b> Normal: 25-60 mg/dl Borderline: 20-25 mg/dl<br><br><br>
Just for comparison's sake, here are my blood test results (from 2/07) - the saliva test is SO much more accurate!<br><br><b><br>
My progesterone is non-existant, &lt;.5, less than a post menopausal woman.</b><br><br>
My estradiol (estrogen) is 22, which is in range. (Not very accurate.)<br><br>
My testosterone is in range, but towards the lower end. (Total - 12, free - 1.2)<br><br><b>My DHEA is very low, 35, the reference range is 40-325.</b><br><br>
My cortisol is 13.5, which is in range. <b>(HA! This is why you need to do a saliva test throughout the day!)</b><br><br>
Vitamin D was 37, in range (I've heard that 40 is ideal &amp; you don't want to go over 50.)<br><br>
Thyroid: (doctor said this was good.)<br>
T-4, free - 1.1<br>
TSH - 1.86<br>
T-3, free - 296<br><br>
There is a book called <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Chronic Fatigue Unmasked 2000</span> that was written by Dr. Gerald Poesnecker. Dr. Poesnecker worked at Clymer for 40+ years researching adrenal fatigue &amp; treating patients. His theory is that Chronic Fatigue &amp; Fibromyalgia is a double sided coin, both caused by adrenal fatigue. My doctor, Dr. Neville, worked alongside Dr. Poesnecker &amp; before Dr. Poesnecker passed away in 2004, he chose Dr. Neville to take over his work &amp; patients. Oh, and a bonus, he's really into WAPF. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
I don't have physical fatigue even though my test results would suggest so. I have the "dread horror anxiety" that is a symptom of adrenal fatigue. My body just doesn't have the cortisol to cope with any type of stress, physical or emotional. I need to try to cut back on nighttime nursing, that's the only issue that I can't control. I've had no caffeine for almost 4 months now, don't even crave it. I have had a few bites of chocolate (mostly on easter) but I've been really good about not having it.<br><br>
My doctor asked if I was eating enough red meat, so I think that animal protein is very important when dealing with adrenal fatigue. I feel like I eat enough, I eat 2-3 eggs every morning for breakfast &amp; some form of animal protein each night, beef, chicken or salmon usually.<br><br>
The important supplements are a high quality B-complex, vitamin c (sodium ascorbate is good) &amp; a magnesium supplement, also a good multi vitamin/mineral. The diet *must* be a whole foods diet, no crappy processed/packaged foods. Another big recommendation is salt &amp; lots of it.<br><br>
I salt everything heavily (sea salt.) My doctor wanted me to drink a glass of salt water first thing in the morning &amp; I tried but I couldn't do it.<br>
I limit potassium intake, no bananas, dates, figs, minimal fruit. Breakfast is VERY important, something with protein &amp; lots of salt. No juices, minimal sweetener in teas - I use a dab of honey.<br><br>
Dehydration is a biggie for AF patients. We have a problem with the sodium/potassium ratio (why we shouldn't eat potassium rich foods &amp; need lots of salt.) I know when I first wake up in the morning, all I want to do is chug down 2 pints of water, but I have to wait until I get a good amount of salt in my system.<br>
When I first wake in the morning, I cook eggs &amp; salt them very heavily - after I eat them, then I can drink water, but plain water on an empty stomach is a no-no. We need *a lot* of salt. You'd be surprised how many people suffer unknowingly from some degree of adrenal fatigue - especially us sleep deprived mamas.<br>
I'm also *almost* EBFing my 14 month old, my milk makes up about 95% of his diet, so that doesn't help with the dehydration issue.<br><br>
Bottom line, our adrenals need salt, our bodies NEED salt!<br><br>
Cutting out caffeine is MAJOR, as is eliminating stress, seriously eliminating it - whatever it is, negative people, high stress job, relationships, whatever, if you want to heal, you need to eliminate it. Rest is very important, we're supposed to be in bed by 10pm at the latest &amp; sleep till 9am if possible (ha!) take any naps you can get. A sleeptime routine is also essential, going to bed &amp; waking at the same exact times each night/morning. (I have yet to perfect this routine!)<br><br><b>My doctor says that the thyroid is always affected when one is suffering from adrenal fatigue - even if it doesn't show up in testing.</b><br><br>
Low blood pressure is one of the symptoms of adrenal fatigue - it's even used as a diagnostic tool, I've always had low blood pressure, low body temp. too. <b>I went for my appointment this week (5/07) &amp; my blood pressure was 94/50 &amp; that's a HUGE improvement!</b> It actually rose 10 points after I stood up which is also HUGE since up until now, it hasn't budged when I rose from laying down to standing up - a classic sign of adrenal fatigue.<br><br>
One of the diagnostic tools is to have the patient lay down, relax for 5 minutes, while laying down, take the patient's blood pressure. Then have the patient stand up &amp; take the blood pressure reading again, if it fails to rise or drops upon standing, that's a sign that you're adrenals aren't working to their fullest capacity &amp; it should be addressed.<br><br>
A couple of fantastic books are <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=17 89&amp;creative=9325&amp;tag=motheringhud-20&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FChro nic-Fatigue-Unmasked-Misunderstood-Mistreated%2Fdp%2F0916285391%2Fref%3Dsr_1_4%2F104-0852951-3891152%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1180619698 %26sr%3D1-4" target="_blank">Chronic Fatigue Unmasked 2000</a>, by Dr. Poesnecker (the link is for the first edition, there's a newer one available now with the "2000" in the title) &amp; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=17 89&amp;creative=9325&amp;tag=motheringhud-20&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAdre nal-Fatigue-21st-Century-Stress-Syndrome%2Fdp%2F1890572152%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_sr_1%2F1 04-0852951-3891152%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1180619902 %26sr%3D1-1" target="_blank">Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Century Stress Syndrome</a> by J. Wilson. The first one, by Poesnecker, is much more in depth in terms of treatment &amp; how the neuroendocrine system works, which explains *how* adrenal fatigue occurs. Here's <a href="http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/" target="_blank">Wilson's website</a>.<br><br>
Here is my treatment plan: <b>***before taking any supplements/medication to treat adrenal fatigue, an ASI saliva test is needed to determine the stage of adrenal dysfunction you are in, it's VERY important in deciding which supplements to use.***</b><br><br>
I started out taking 1 tablet of <b>Mil Adregen</b> by '******' brand. It contains raw spleen concentrate, raw adrenal concentrate, raw thymus concentrate, citrus bioflavinoids, vitamin c, vitamin B6, vitamin B5 &amp; zinc. I have slowly built up to 3 tablets a day, taken at meals.<br><br>
I also started out taking 10mg of bioidentical <b>pregnenolone</b> by 'Pure' brand. I am currently taking 30 mg/day all in the morning. The necessary dose depends on how severe your adrenal fatigue. I'm still working up to a higher dose.<br>
Pregnenolone is the first hormone that our bodies convert from cholesterol. It is at the top of the adrenal hormone cascade &amp; is made into cortisol, DHEA &amp; all of the sex hormones, estrogen, testosterone &amp; progesterone. Pregnenolone usually has zero side effects where bioidentical DHEA supplementation can often have masculine side effects like rage &amp; facial hair growth.<br><br>
I take "<b>Seriphos</b>" by InterPlexus as needed, a proprietary blend 1000mg of phosphorylated, Serine/Ethanolamine which has a calming affect &amp; helps take the edge off of the anciety.<br><br>
Those are the supplements that my doctor gives me, aside from those listed above, I take these (with his approval.):<br><br>
B-50 complex by Now brand<br>
Magnesium citrate (powder) by Now brand<br>
Selenium 200 mcg by Now brand<br>
Zinc 50 mg by Solaray<br><br>
HTH!
Hello!

I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue about a year ago. I was on Pregnenelone for 2 months before becoming pregnant. I am 8 months pregnant and feeling decent, but really wanting to support my adrenals now and during breastfeeding after baby is born

I already drink salt water
eat coconut oil
high protein low carb breakfast
minimal sugar and fruit

I have recently started taking Pranin organic Acerola Vitamin C and am wondering if anyone here has taken their wholefoods Vit B complex?
It is :
Guava
Lemon
Holy Basil
Spirulina

I am thinking about switching from my current B to this product as food based B's and C's are really important for adrenal health

thx!
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Hello!

I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue about a year ago. I was on Pregnenelone for 2 months before becoming pregnant. I am 8 months pregnant and feeling decent, but really wanting to support my adrenals now and during breastfeeding after baby is born

I already drink salt water
eat coconut oil
high protein low carb breakfast
minimal sugar and fruit

I have recently started taking Pranin organic Acerola Vitamin C and am wondering if anyone here has taken their wholefoods Vit B complex?
It is :
Guava
Lemon
Holy Basil
Spirulina

I am thinking about switching from my current B to this product as food based B's and C's are really important for adrenal health

thx!
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Hello!

I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue about a year ago. I was on Pregnenelone for 2 months before becoming pregnant. I am 8 months pregnant and feeling decent, but really wanting to support my adrenals now and during breastfeeding after baby is born

I already drink salt water
eat coconut oil
high protein low carb breakfast
minimal sugar and fruit

I have recently started taking Pranin organic Acerola Vitamin C and am wondering if anyone here has taken their wholefoods Vit B complex?
It is :
Guava
Lemon
Holy Basil
Spirulina

I am thinking about switching from my current B to this product as food based B's and C's are really important for adrenal health

thx!
I agree on the food based C as better for adrenals from what I've seen from other adrenal groups. I am one who has issues w/c after doing a phase of high dosing. Have tried multiple brands and so far can't tolerate. I went w/allergen free & no corn base but no go yet. Everyone is different and if you aren't that far along in adrenal fatigue, maybe just try it? Livestrong had some considerations to take into account on it re interactions w/other drugs, etc. Hope to hear how it works out if you end up trying it.
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And curious, your last report was in 2007. How did things go? Was what you reported worth following w/Dr. P? I'm still struggling to do much physical activity aside from work. Even a long walk drains me a bit.
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Adrenal Fatigue Treatment While Breast Feeding

Hi, I was searching the web on the safety of treatments for adrenal fatigue for the baby that is fed breast milk by the mother under treatment. I noticed that some moms here have received oral and hormonal treatments while they had been almost exclusively breast feeding their baby.

Can someone explain their understanding of the safety of these treatments for the baby? I'm in desperate need to start my treatment but only the fact that i'm almost exclusively breast feeding my 14 months old baby is holding me from it. Thank you so much!
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