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My dd just got bit by a giant recluse. I washed the area, put tto on it, and she now has an ice pack on it. I also gave her a dose of echinacea. What else should I do? She has never had a spider bite before. I'm worried about it getting bad and then having to take her to the dr or er and them wanting to give her a tetanus shot

edited to add... she is 6.

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You need to seek prompt medical treatment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_r...Bite_treatment

I don't know why they would want to give her a tetanus shot for a spider bite?? - but if they did, just say no, and get her the treatment she needs for the spider bite.

Edit - it does say in the Wikipedia entry that tetanus prophylaxis is indicated, but that doesn't stop you from refusing it if you don't want it. This type of bite is nothing to mess with! Maybe call a doctor if you do not want to take your dd straight in, and see what they say.
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I would take her to the ER.
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I would take her to the ER asap.

The small bite will turn into an extremely painful, large boil which will then bust open to leave a large hole (and the surrounding flesh will "rot" away). Not to mention, they are deadly. I've been bit twice (it is absolutely the worst thing I have ever been though ). I hope your little girl makes a quick recovery

(So, i read that link, apparently my experience is rare which is definitely good news! -- but just in case, take her to the ER).

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OK... real quick, have a peek at this:
http://images.google.com/images?q=br...num=1&ct=title
Now take your child to the doctor!
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Go to the dr.
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Absolutely go to the doctor NOW! They are highly poisonious! Not to scare you but a friend of a friend got a bite, didn't go to the doctor for treatment and nearly lost her leg, please go RIGHT NOW!

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moving to health and healing

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Yes, that. Get to the doctor immediately!

There's a decent chance it wasn't a recluse, but just an ordinary brown spider, but this isn't something I would take a chance with, if it were my ds. Especially not just because a doc might want to vax!

Re: tetanus, they'll probably suggest/offer. Just decline or say she's "up to date" on her shots.

Now go!

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if it was or you suspect it was a brown recluse get to the ER NOW! Sorry, maybe just my opinion here but, natural and home remedies just aren't cut out for this sort of poisen. Get her in ASAP if you haven't already. This kind of spider is nothing to mess with or play the "wait and see" game with.

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take the spider with if you still have it. The doctors can make sure what kind it is for proper treatment.

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Agree with everyone else.. get to the hospital NOW.. early intervention is important. I too live in a state with the brown recluse and that is one of my bigger fears!
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Two of my daughters recently recovered from infected "regular" spider bites and it was very scary. My DD's arm was swollen to twice its normal size. We don't have brown recluse spiders here but if I had known right away she was bitten by one I'd have taken her to the dr immediately. Try to catch the spider if you can so its species can be confirmed.

Here are pics of one DD's bite, before and after-- we did use antibiotics:

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The person's response to a brown recluse bite can vary widely. Some people it really isn't a big deal and other people/bites it is. In my understanding it is the minority of bites actually that turn into serious tissue damage. And these aren't generally fatal even in the worst cases. http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/site/free/hlsa0805.htm I'm not sure what they would do at this point in the ER; actually I think nothing. There isn't an anti-venom. They would treat any tissue damage or infections as they arise and hopefully they won't.

Finally, are you sure this was a recluse? Are you living in an area where they are common? Did you trap it or otherwise get it for proper identification? I'm mostly asking because these aren't "giant" spiders and there are bigger brown spiders that look very similar. The main thing they look at is actually the number of eyes..something it would be really hard to see unless you caught the spider and had an extension agent or specialist look at it.

If you are sure it was a recluse I personally would wait and watch for signs that this is going to be a serious bite.

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sorry, not to be a downer, but you really should seek treatment. This is not the time to attempt natural remedies on your own. It can be done with the right knowledge, but (not to sound harsh here) if you had the right knowledge you wouldn't be posting on a message board. You need someone who can assess the situation and handle it appropriately.

If you had an ND you could call them, but I suspect you would get the same answer. I'm sorry. I hope she has an easy recovery.
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Any updates?

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She is fine. Sorry for taking so long to update! I put a charcoal poultice on it and then some homeopathic drawing salve for several days. Yes, it was a recluse. I said giant because it was the biggest one I've ever seen in my house!

After posting, my mother told me that my siblings and I all had recluse bites before as children and we were fine. Then my dad said the same thing and then he's had plenty of bites and been fine. So then I didn't worry as much.

If she had shown an signs of infection or necrosis or anything at all then I would have taken her to the dr. But she didn't.

Thank you everyone. I appreciate the concern

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so glad your DD is alright and you followed your mama instincts.

the fear woven into this thread is simply amazing though.

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so glad your DD is alright and you followed your mama instincts.

the fear woven into this thread is simply amazing though.
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Especially since there is no treatment to be given at the ER in this case...

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so glad your DD is alright and you followed your mama instincts.

the fear woven into this thread is simply amazing though.
I almost lost a leg due to one of these. Yeah, you can say I'm pretty fearful of them.

There IS an anti-venom, but it has to be administered very soon after the bite. (which is why the ER will tell you to bring in the spider if you can).

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She is fine. Sorry for taking so long to update! I put a charcoal poultice on it and then some homeopathic drawing salve for several days. Yes, it was a recluse. I said giant because it was the biggest one I've ever seen in my house!

After posting, my mother told me that my siblings and I all had recluse bites before as children and we were fine. Then my dad said the same thing and then he's had plenty of bites and been fine. So then I didn't worry as much.

If she had shown an signs of infection or necrosis or anything at all then I would have taken her to the dr. But she didn't.

Thank you everyone. I appreciate the concern

fyrfly

I'm glad she is well, and glad you trusted yourself! I am working on getting better at trusting myself and my mama instincts, so it's good to hear! Can you tell me more about the charcoal and the drawing salve? I am not vaccinating, but I want to learn the tools that I can use so I don't have to turn to medical intervention when things do happen. I have heard mention of charcoal before. How/when do you use it? And what about that salve? I feel like I want to know more about these things so I can avoid medical interventions on the future, because so many times I have let fear make me turn to the doctor, and then I got medical intervention that I dind't want or need!
Thanks for any info!
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There IS an anti-venom, but it has to be administered very soon after the bite. (which is why the ER will tell you to bring in the spider if you can).
A quick google shows that the anti-venom is experimental and very few places have it.

AND it has some implications making its use questionable including making later bites more serious.

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I'm glad she is well, and glad you trusted yourself! I am working on getting better at trusting myself and my mama instincts, so it's good to hear! Can you tell me more about the charcoal and the drawing salve? I am not vaccinating, but I want to learn the tools that I can use so I don't have to turn to medical intervention when things do happen. I have heard mention of charcoal before. How/when do you use it? And what about that salve? I feel like I want to know more about these things so I can avoid medical interventions on the future, because so many times I have let fear make me turn to the doctor, and then I got medical intervention that I dind't want or need!
Thanks for any info!
I'd like to know more about the charcoal and the drawing salve, as well. Thanks!

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sorry about your leg mama I guess my thoughts are it is not going to be an extreme thing for MOST people. fear mongering isn't going to help anything at all! I was just mostly surprised to see holistic tx's being frowned upon here by so many and the mindset that an ER was really truly warranted for a spider bite.



[QUOTE=Amylcd;11513679]I almost lost a leg due to one of these. Yeah, you can say I'm pretty fearful of them.

There IS an anti-venom, but it has to be administered very soon after the bite. (which is why the ER will tell you to bring in the spider if you can)

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I was bit last week and suspected it might be a brown recluse. I used bentonite clay. It's supposed to be mixed with colloidal silver but I didn't have any. Just a clay and water plaster made an amazing difference for me.

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and apparently the best way to let people know their responses are innappropriate is to make an innappropriate response in response.... I'm confused.

Oops, now I did it.


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Well, I just emptied capsules of activated charcoal (you can get them from walmart, in the supplements aisle) onto a thick paper towel then added some water to make a paste. I folded the towel over and set it on her arm, followed by some plastic wrap so that it would stay moist. I kept that there till she went to bed, then put Prid (the name of the drawing salve...it's at walmart!) on a band-aid. I then changed the bandaid and every day.

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The amount of casualness in this thread alarms me. Having seen what a recluse bite can do, it is not just an "oh well" thing. it can eat through flesh. Symptoms do not manifest themselves right away. It's not something to fool around with.
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