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#1 of 17 Old 08-07-2008, 11:31 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I hate 'em! I have very low deep circles, almost blue, all the time. I've had them all my life. I remember having them in grade school even. Some people say they are hereditary. My mom and grandma have them, my one little brother has them too. I don't want makeup techniques on how to cover them up, I want to know how to make them go AWAY! I know it's not because I don't get enough sleep. At the moment I have a 12 month old so I can use more sleep, but, at times in my life where I was getting a solid 8-9 hours I still had the same circles. Help!!
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I've read of three causes that ring true for me/my family: food allergies/intolerances, adrenal fatigue, and overall body toxicity.

I used to think it was mostly genetic/skin coloring, since I've had them as long as I can remember and I am Caucasian and very pale, but my daughter (Hispanic hubby) is noticeably brownish (very different from me) and she has them too.

I saw my daughter's dark circles get significantly lighter 2-3 weeks after we cut out gluten (and dairy, but I think the gluten was the major culprit for us). And her dark circles have been getting lighter this year (no gluten was mid-last year) as I've figured out her supplements better (background: my health is messed up from the mercury in my fillings and both my kids are affected, so I'm working with a healthcare provider to get some of this crap out of their bodies). As I've seen improvements there (with the pills) I've been seeing the dark circles lighten.

I've read and been told that adrenal fatigue also causes dark circles, but I haven't seen improvement in myself (symptomatically or the dark circles) yet. But I'm hopeful because someday I'd like to not look like this.
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Subbing! I am negative to gluten though.
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Subbing! I am negative to gluten though.
Just curious--are you speaking of testing, or you tried no gluten for a while and didn't notice any changes? I don't know if my daughter would've tested positive for a problem with gluten, we did it by removing it from our diet and seeing what happened.
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I'm curious as well since I have them and my DD has them. They were so dark at one time that my stepfather actually had the balls to ask me if my DH was hitting me.

So anything to make them go away would be awesome.
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That is interesting about the gluten. Isn't that really hard to do without though? My MIL just found out she can't have gluten and it seems impossible to find anything gluten free, or if she finds something it is really expensive. I found a box of gluten free spaghetti, that was smaller than the usual boxes, and it was FOUR dollars!
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They're called "allergic shiners" and it's a reaction to any food intolerance, not just gluten. My kids have them. And I had them tested (blood test through ALCAT) and they have many food intolerances. Do you have any other issues: digestive, sleep, eczema? Some people do just have bags under their eyes or their eyes look more "hollowed".

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Kathy's right and I didn't write it clearly--for _us_ it was gluten, other folks see it with different foods. But gluten is relatively common so even though it's not convenient to consider, it's more likely than, say, bananas or potatoes (though they are surprisingly allergenic too).

It was hard to be gluten-free at first, no doubt. There's a long adjustment time--first, finding foods for basic meals, then snacks on the go, then eating out (we do it at a very limited number of restaurants, and when we meet people, I usually bring food for us and just tell the server that we've got allergies--they've always been very nice about it), and then dealing with travel and the holidays. We've been doing it for over a year now and so we've gone through all of those and now it's pretty routine, though still inconvenient.

Finding straight gluten-free substitutions takes time and usually costs quite a bit more. Eventually (esp with help from the Allergies forum) you can find, say, a really good bread recipe, and cake and cookie recipes (not that you want sweets every day, but that feeling of being deprived and not even having a choice is hard). Finding other healthy foods (there are _so many_ I had never heard of or considered) has been quite the unexpected benefit. It's also forced me to look at my food and be dissatisfied with the choices I was making before, so it's been an overall good thing for us.
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They're called "allergic shiners" and it's a reaction to any food intolerance, not just gluten. My kids have them. And I had them tested (blood test through ALCAT) and they have many food intolerances. Do you have any other issues: digestive, sleep, eczema? Some people do just have bags under their eyes or their eyes look more "hollowed".
Yep I had them growing up too, and I got white in the creases of my nose too.

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Just curious--are you speaking of testing, or you tried no gluten for a while and didn't notice any changes? I don't know if my daughter would've tested positive for a problem with gluten, we did it by removing it from our diet and seeing what happened.
I tried no gluten for awhile-and yes, I did feel a *little* better. But, I also did the blood work, which came back negative. Then, while being scoped for other reasons, my GI scoped for Celiac-which came up negative.

I just posted a question in the Allergy forum about whether or not a Grass/Ragweed Allergy=Wheat allergy. One momma has resonded that her lo has both.
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I had a blood test for food intolerances, about 15yrs ago. It revealed I was *highly* allergic to eggs-a complete surprise to me, as I had no symptoms, that I knew of.

Through a very wierd way, I found out that I am allergic to bananas. So glad to have realized, as they were causing extreme bowel incontenence.
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It's a mineral deficiency which is generally caused by gut damage which CAN mean food allergies.
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Firefaery, any particular mineral?
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I don't know what causes mine but it's not allergies. I had to go on a TED for dd and there were no changes at all. I'm still not eating a bunch of foods (see siggy) and it's made no difference at all.

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Sadly, no. It can be just about any, and indeed it generally is more than one. There are some cell salts that can help by delivering specific nutrients directly to the cells, but most often it isn't a result of a lack of minerals so much as it is an inability to absorb them

Shelsi, with allergies certain symptoms should go away pretty immediately. This isn't necessarily one of them. IF you have sustained damage to the gut that has to first heal before it can absorb the nutrients. Even then if there is a significant deficit it will take some time to see the shiners leave. The process will likely be facilitated by cell (sometimes called tissue) salts.

It is also possible (not saying this is what is happening to you) that you haven't gotten rid of all the allergens.
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Sadly, no. It can be just about any, and indeed it generally is more than one.
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Maybe I should check into the food intolerance test. Would I just ask my normal doctor? What do you have to do, just take blood?
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