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#181 of 862 Old 01-15-2009, 02:48 PM
 
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Lead definitely does this, so it follows that other heavy metals would.

Do you mean you think they already do that (makes sense that they should, right?) or they "could"?
Ah, yes, lead. I remember that now.

I don't know, but probably some already do. And probably most don't. If you find out, I'd love to know.

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We need Panserbjørne to chime in about detox issues. My understanding is that as mercury is "released" from wherever it is stored in the body, some of it resettles in the other organs and brain, unless it *binds* with something to carry it out of the body.

My primitive understanding is that vit C, selenium, magnesium sulfate, zinc, Chlorella?, vit E, pascalite clay, glutathione, Zeolite bind and transport heavy metals which are "freely" released in the body.

I'm not doubting the benefits of adequate iodine intake. I'm just not clear on the *interconnected* relationship to what else is happening in the body. If ONE thing alone could "cure", we'd all be doing it. So, I imagine there are more "yes, buts" and "but, ifs" than just supplementing iodine.

It sounds like the iodine displaces and replaces the heavy metals (I've not read the links yet). But, WHAT HAPPENS to the released heavy metals is the concern. It doesn't all go through the kidneys and breastmilk. It seems to me, that the key would be adequate intake and stores of the other vitamins and mineral stores before releasing heavy metals. I believe that heavy metals are stored in our bones also, and perhaps displace calcium?? So, all of the minerals are interconnected.

I also believe that kelp food sources and supplements could be tested for arsenic.



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Thank you, Pat. As always, you said things much more clearly than I could. This is exactly what I was talking about and trying to get across.
In addition to the binding issue is the fact that there's only so much in the way of toxins which can be excreted at a time, so support of the pathways to *increase* this potential (to make it as high as possible) is paramount or you end up with a great deal of toxic chemicals floating about your body, finding new places to land and causing more damage.

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Ah, yes, lead. I remember that now.

I don't know, but probably some already do. And probably most don't. If you find out, I'd love to know.

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Most don't. I haven't found one which does or I'd be taking it. My ND hasn't found one either. He suggested going to the place they harvest it (which isn't far from here) and gathering some myself which I could then dry and powder for my own use.

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I'm not claiming to know everything in regards to detoxing, just telling what I do know about iodine, the importance and the benefits of it.

Here is a link regarding Optimox and their studies on patients using iodine or orthoiodosupplementation. They don't seem to use anything else like you suggest for the toxins to bind to before their release, only mention of vit c... I still havent read it all yet though since I got a teething munchkin at the moment.

My iodoral source is here, but she doesnt seem to have any for sale at the moment... here is another source for the same price with free shipping.

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hi there, mamas!
i've been lurking around this thread for a few days trying to get a little more info before i went to see my hcp about a lump on my thyroid. i saw him today and he wasn't overly helpful...didn't give me a whole lot of info and i don't know what tests he ordered (when i asked, he told me it was "just a thyroid function test")...is that the tsh test? they drew 1 vial of blood for which i did not fast for. i'm scheduled for an ultrasound of my thyroid next wednesday, and after that he said i'd probably have to have a biopsy of the nodule. he only spent about 5 min with me, and i could tell he was just going through the motions (he actually told me he was seeing a flow chart in his head of proper procedure)...i'd love to find a new hcp...anybody know of one in central illinois?

i haven't read the entire thread yet (i have to do most of my computer time while the lil guy's asleep because he LOVES computers!), so i guess i'll do some more reading after he goes to sleep tonight. and i'll check out in "finding your tribe" forum for a new doc. just wanted to say hello and i'll probably be having lots of questions for you mamas in the coming weeks! TIA!

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I am 38, I lost about 35 lbs in about 6 months (from last April to Sept). I was dieting until about June, reached my goal of 135 lbs (lost about 20), and then I continued to lose until I hit 123. In November I started eating a "traditional diet" and within a month I noticed some changes: no more achy fingers in the morning, no more numbness in the night (both of these I attributed to my laying on one side and bfeeding), no dizzy spells, no more cramps in my feet and much nicer skin (had a mild bit of rosacea which seems to have disappeared).
I also stopped losing weight, I evened out at about 125.

I recently went in for some routine bloodwork and my doc said I have hypothyroidism! I am shocked! He didn't give me lots of details, but my cholesterol was supposedly elevated, although my total chol to HDL is still at a good ratio of 3.7 260/70.
Anyway, I don't feel tired, I don't have problems with weight gain, I'm not depressed, basically I don't have the "classic" symptoms that one hears about. But now that I'm looking at more people's stories online I'm seeing some mention the cramps and achiness and dizziness. So I'm wondering if I had this for awhile but didn't pay attention to it. It is common I think for people to have minor health issues and to ignore them.

So, I guess my point in posting, for those who have managed to hang on this long, is to ask a few questions:
Have any of you had such mild symptoms?

This is all new to me, I'm overwhelmed and I'm nervous about it, I thought I was in great health from changing my diet and now I find I have this. But I also want to approach this in a very holistic and cautious manner. My doc says I should just start with a low-dose of the synthetic hormone and then we'll test in 6 weeks, if it works then I have it (and I'll need to keep taking the hormones for the rest of my life), if not, then we'll look for other causes. I'm taking issue with this approach. Are there some good comprehensive websites where I can discuss with others and get good relevant information?

I want to look at the cause of this. It seems to me that there may be a genetic predisposition (my mother has it) but that the environment is what triggers the thyroid to under-perform. I want to find out what that is. Any ideas on how to do this?

I am interested in this discussion of toxins leaving the body. I believe that when I lost the weight my body must have been releasing the mercury stored in my fat since I was a child (from the amalgam fillings). I am still bfeeding and I believe this also caused my dd to get cavities (and god knows what else). At Dr. Mercola's office they said she had mercury in her pituitary and her liver (ahhhh!). So I'm wondering if this is somehow related. Any thoughts on this?

Sorry for the long post! Any input is welcome.
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I know of people who have had mild symptoms. My FIL and some women in my thyroid group didn't gain weight, which must be nice.

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I'll be getting my thyroid tested next week and I'd like to know what specific tests to ask for? I found a doctor near me on the Armour website, I wanted to go to someone who would consider a more natural treatment if needed.

My symptoms are 15 pound weight gain in the last 2 years, I've managed to stop it in it's tracks with lots of exercise and eating better. I've lost 3 pounds (but I've lost the same three pounds like 3 or 4 times in the last 6 months)

A case of the "blahs", I don't feel depressed. I just don't feel like myself.

I'm cold all the time, I wear lots of layers and use 3 blankets in bed.

I have trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. Then I just can't seem to get out of bed in the morning. It's become a ritual for my three kids to lay in bed with me in the mornings until I feel like I can get up and make breakfast.

Not alot of energy at all. It's really tough for me to keep up with our home, I'm having trouble keeping it clean and relatively clutter free.

Thanks, any advice greatly appreciated.


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Labs To Request From Your Doctor here.

Does sound like a list of hypo symptoms.
Hopefully you will get some relief soon!

Hang in there.
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I recently went in for some routine bloodwork and my doc said I have hypothyroidism!
Do you know what labs your doc used to make this diagnosis?
I urge you to get copies of your lab work so you can have baselines to use in deciding what if any treatment protocol you will follow.

I was in a similar situation myself. MD put me on synthroid due to elevated TSH though I had no hypo symptoms. My body had a difficult time converting the T4 to T3 which eventually tanked my adrenals. After a lot of further testing (which I had to plead for) I learned I have Hashi's. Synthroid was NOT a good option for me - though it may be for some. I've faired far better treating it as an autoimmune condition (which Hashi's is) than as hypothyroid.

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But I also want to approach this in a very holistic and cautious manner. My doc says I should just start with a low-dose of the synthetic hormone and then we'll test in 6 weeks, if it works then I have it (and I'll need to keep taking the hormones for the rest of my life), if not, then we'll look for other causes. I'm taking issue with this approach. Are there some good comprehensive websites where I can discuss with others and get good relevant information?
This post has more info about T3 and T4 testing and meds. You can start drugs and decide to stop later, that's not a problem. You could start, then research and decide if you want to keep treating conventionally, treat partly conventional and partly alternative, or go completely alternative, but you definitely don't need to decide right away. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...6&postcount=94

Here is "Recommended Labwork": http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com...ended-labwork/

Mistakes Patients Make: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com...patients-make/

This post is about the nutritional issues and thyroid function.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...9&postcount=68
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&postcount=285
This is a list of supplements and how they function in the body. http://ithyroid.com/supplement_list.htm

I always recommend whole foods for nutritional support. Check the site "World's Healthiest Foods". It lists each of those nutrients and the foods most dense with that nutrient. http://www.whfoods.com/nutrientstoc.php Also, elimination of specific foods: cabbage, peaches, radishes, soy, peanuts, spinach and rutabagas which can interfere with thyroid hormone production.

Most of our diets are depleted in magnesium. We use Natural Calm. It is most bio-available. You want magnesium citrate. We also supplement with CLO for Vit A and Omega 3, zinc, selenium and iodine and B-vitamins, vit C, iron. I eat my two Brazil nuts (maximum, cause more can be too much selenium). And other food sources for the nutrients. Here is a list of nutrients to be sure are adequate in your diet: http://webhome.idirect.com/~wolfnowl/thyroid13.htm Hormones are also influenced greatly by the types of fats you eat. You need healthy saturated fats (avocado and coconut), and essential fatty acids: cod liver oil.

Iodine supplementation is another avenue to research: http://www.iodine4health.com/disease/disease.htm Here is more info about this important nutrient: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&postcount=272 Kelp is the seaweed highest in iodine and for example, you would need approx. 1 teaspoon a day of www.seaveg.com kelp to get 12.5 mg. Iodized salt is not a good source. Real sea salt is good but not sufficient. Selenium in conjunction is important.


Adrenal fatigue is also interconnected with stress, cortisol exhaustion, and thyroid levels. Which are all impacted by hormonal changes of pregnancy and nursing. Bottom line, I'd bet it is all 'pregnancy induced hypothyroid'.

I'd also strongly recommend seeing a classical homeopath. Homeopathy can help to address hormonal balance.


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Great post Pat!
Thanks for the compilation of info.
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I was in a similar situation myself. MD put me on synthroid due to elevated TSH though I had no hypo symptoms. My body had a difficult time converting the T4 to T3 which eventually tanked my adrenals.
The conversion requires Selenium. I was having the same problem until I added 3 brazil nuts/day to my diet. I couldn't believe how much difference it made. Don't know if that helps...
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Jimibell, I had lots of symptoms and bloodwork that was very slow to show the problem, and while I was waiting I went alternative. Interesting site for reading about vitamins and minerals and thyroid function is ithyroid.com. It also has pages on different underlying causes of hypo- (and hyper-) thyroidism--I mean, what causes your vitamins and minerals to get so out-of-whack. But with no/very few/mild symptoms, supplementing lots may not be the right approach to you. I am at now the point (3yrs after abruptly getting lots of symptoms, turns out it was mercury-related for me, so I've been working on that) I am starting to maybe feel a bit cold again (have been basically asymptomatic, maybe very subtle stuff, for about 1.5yrs now), I think it may be mainly iodine related at this point (still supp-ing other vits/mins but I think this is the one I am most borderline on). I'm going to try some Iodoral--did it 2 years ago for a while, relieved some but definitely not all of my symptoms (I later learned that iodine can mobilize halogens and mercury, so abruptly starting the Iodoral while nursing was probably not the best move I could've made).

Missa--be sure to get copies of bloodwork, the reference ranges are wider than the range in which most people feel healthy. Many of us with thyroid problems also have adrenal problems, and adrenal fatigue isn't usually the type of thing regular doctors recognize or treat (they may do a blood cortisol test that will only identify severely, severely ill people). You could read The Adrenal Thread for ideas, and if need-be order a saliva test (4x/day kind) to get concrete info on how your adrenals are and go from there.
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Labs To Request From Your Doctor here.

Does sound like a list of hypo symptoms.
Hopefully you will get some relief soon!

Hang in there.
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I am interested in this discussion of toxins leaving the body. I believe that when I lost the weight my body must have been releasing the mercury stored in my fat since I was a child (from the amalgam fillings). I am still bfeeding and I believe this also caused my dd to get cavities (and god knows what else). At Dr. Mercola's office they said she had mercury in her pituitary and her liver (ahhhh!). So I'm wondering if this is somehow related. Any thoughts on this?
Based on my understanding of the issue, in general when we lose weight, toxins stored in our fat are allowed to circulate and some end up in our milk. Different people hold onto mercury and other heavy metals in different ways--my kids got a lot more bad stuff (in the general sense, since I think the problem detoxifying mercury had a cascade effect on my detoxification capacity overall) than most kids whose moms had 5 fillings. If we'd gotten cavities (I considered it not unlikely given my health problems and our nutrient deficiencies), I would've seen it still first as an expression of nutrition, but a) the kids started out low in many things (hypothyroid people can't convert beta-carotene to A, for example), plus all the nutrient deficiencies that were causing my hypo (zinc's another biggie, it takes some planning to get a good amount just through diet, separate from making up long-term deficiencies) and b) I've found that the kids each need more of a couple nutrients than most people (magnesium for my daughter and likely my husband, K for my son and me)--not sure if there are more yet to be discovered. So considering individual nutrient needs, especially as they may relate to your health and your family history, may yield interesting stuff.
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Wow, thank you for the responses!

I met a massage therapist today in our school community and he said that he specializes in thyroid and it could be a "mechanical" issue.

I also was thinking about the mercury and thinking about my "symptoms" and I was thinking I should check for mercury, just not sure how to do this.

I wish I had a healthcare provider, whom I could TRUST and who could help me wade through all of this. There is so much to know. But I suppose the key right now is to move slowly.

For now, I will meet with my doc, get the results and tell him I want to explore the root cause before medicating. Then I will meet with the massage therapist, see what he says (I do recall at my physical my doc commented that my thyroid was swollen). And maybe get testing to see if there is mercury involved. And of course, keep reading. And most importantly, keep eating well (which I would do anyway). I suspect that my diet has probably helped with the thyroid (or whatever it is) issue.
I also know a homeopathic doc nearby, she is supposed to be great.

I do consume a good amount of coconut, take CLO daily, eat lots of avocado, use only sea salt, eat pasture-raised meat and raw dairy, etc. I basically follow a "traditional foods" diet pretty strictly. I think that is why I stopped having the stiff fingers and numbness in the morning.

I will try the brazil nuts. What is Natural Calm and where do you get it?

I wonder if I hadn't gotten this test if I would have started getting more symptoms as time progressed. My doc said I would have, so I'm glad I just happened to take the test and I've found out early.

It seems the thryroid thing is sooo complicated!
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I'm looking at some of the home tests saliva/simple blood tests and am in disbelief that they can't do them for NY residents. Grrrr.... this state is wacko.
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I also was thinking about the mercury and thinking about my "symptoms" and I was thinking I should check for mercury, just not sure how to do this.

I used the Hair Elements Test (not the Toxic Hair Profile) from Doctor's Data (ordered through Direct Lab Services), and Andy Cutler's interpretation for my daughter. Bummer is that nursing women tend to fail one of the mercury toxicity criteria more often than they should (nursing women who aren't mercury toxic look like they are), you could test your little one instead. Don't know how reliable that is, but my daughter was a good indicator for us.

I wonder if I hadn't gotten this test if I would have started getting more symptoms as time progressed. My doc said I would have, so I'm glad I just happened to take the test and I've found out early.

Probably yes. Eating better is always a good idea, wish I'd twigged to that before my health tanked.

It seems the thryroid thing is sooo complicated!
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Do you know what labs your doc used to make this diagnosis?
I urge you to get copies of your lab work so you can have baselines to use in deciding what if any treatment protocol you will follow.

I was in a similar situation myself. MD put me on synthroid due to elevated TSH though I had no hypo symptoms. My body had a difficult time converting the T4 to T3 which eventually tanked my adrenals. After a lot of further testing (which I had to plead for) I learned I have Hashi's. Synthroid was NOT a good option for me - though it may be for some. I've faired far better treating it as an autoimmune condition (which Hashi's is) than as hypothyroid.

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how do you treat for Hashi's?

I got my bloodwork. I was shocked at how high the tsh was. Is this normal abnormality?

1st test 1/5: TSH-145.7

2nd test 1/22: TSH-68.54
Free T3: 2.21
Free T4:<0.40

He said my cholesterol was high due to the mal-function of the thyroid

Total cho: 266
TriG: 57
HDL: 81
LDL: 172
VLDL: 11
Cho/HDL: 3.3

I've read that in determining cholesterol rate to risk for disease, the CHO/HDL ratio is the important factor (range is 2.5-6.0). So I'm not concerned about this. But I wonder if others have had similar high cho rates. Just curious.

Does anyone out there treat without using hormones? And if the problem is caused by mercury or nutritional deficiency do you get to go off the hormones ever?
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how do you treat for Hashi's?

I got my bloodwork. I was shocked at how high the tsh was. Is this normal abnormality?

1st test 1/5: TSH-145.7

2nd test 1/22: TSH-68.54
Free T3: 2.21
Free T4:<0.40

He said my cholesterol was high due to the mal-function of the thyroid

Total cho: 266
TriG: 57
HDL: 81
LDL: 172
VLDL: 11
Cho/HDL: 3.3

I've read that in determining cholesterol rate to risk for disease, the CHO/HDL ratio is the important factor (range is 2.5-6.0). So I'm not concerned about this. But I wonder if others have had similar high cho rates. Just curious.

Does anyone out there treat without using hormones? And if the problem is caused by mercury or nutritional deficiency do you get to go off the hormones ever?
Honestly, your TSH is about where mine was last (not this past, the one before) November when I found out. I find it hard to believe you had no symptoms, as I felt like the walking dead. My hair was falling out in clumps, I was sleeping about 18 hours a day (sometimes more), my skin was so incredibly dry, my voice was hoarse (I sounded like a man)...
I think the best course of action when your thyroid is that obviously underfunctioning is to at least try to get your TSH up with the hormones first and then concentrate on strengthening your thyroid and adrenals. When your numbers start looking like yours, it's really not the time to play around with nutritional approaches- but that's my opinion.
I can't tell you anything about the cholesterol. My doctors have never run mine.

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And see, I would go more by symptoms than Jacqueline, maybe because my bloodwork was just barely off when _I_ felt like the walking dead. With very few symptoms, I'd probably feel even better about just doing the nutrition approach (but to be fair, I had lots of symptoms and felt miserable and still felt better doing the nutrition thing than the prescription I got). I never took thyroid replacement supps, by the time my bloodwork finally showed enough of an up-trend (along with lots of symptoms) to show a problem to the doctor, I'd decided that the nutritional approach was better anyway. Very satisfying to get the Synthroid prescription, but I never filled it.

For me, the biggies: vitamins and minerals, and then figuring out why my vitamins and minerals got so far off. But each of us have such a unique journey in getting here that it's hard to figure out except on our own or with the help of a great healthcare provider.
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And see, I would go more by symptoms than Jacqueline, maybe because my bloodwork was just barely off when _I_ felt like the walking dead. With very few symptoms, I'd probably feel even better about just doing the nutrition approach (but to be fair, I had lots of symptoms and felt miserable and still felt better doing the nutrition thing than the prescription I got). I never took thyroid replacement supps, by the time my bloodwork finally showed enough of an up-trend (along with lots of symptoms) to show a problem to the doctor, I'd decided that the nutritional approach was better anyway. Very satisfying to get the Synthroid prescription, but I never filled it.

For me, the biggies: vitamins and minerals, and then figuring out why my vitamins and minerals got so far off. But each of us have such a unique journey in getting here that it's hard to figure out except on our own or with the help of a great healthcare provider.
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My concern is that with such elevated numbers, there's an increased risk of heart problems from the research I've done. So to me, the priority is to get the numbers down to decrease the stress on the heart- not just for the numbers' sake or symptoms' sake.
I suppose that both could be done simultaneously, although that might skew exactly which was having a good response.
I do completely agree with Tanya though that getting your personal nutrition figured out is incredibly key to this- whether it's done without taking hormones, while taking hormones or after getting your levels stabilized. And I do think that doing so while you're feeling okay would make it MUCH easier.

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I'd think most people with a TSH like that would have lots of symptoms though, indicating a lot of things are going wrong with their bodies. So with really high TSH's, in general I wouldn't be surprised that other things are going wrong, even serious things like heart disease, but with so few symptoms, it seems likely different (though definitely worth addressing in some manner). With a TSH like that, but quite few symptoms, I'd think there's more likely to be one bigger problem and other stuff that should be optimized, but it's not like me--I've been on high-dose vit/min supps for a long time now, and just recently I ran out of my mineral supp (that has my iodine) and within a couple weeks, I think I started getting cold, so I really wasn't doing great making up my deficit (though mostly I've been focused on getting a reasonable amt and chelating, and esp with the iodine, I haven't been taking as much as I probably should).

I have heard that high cholesterol tends to go with hypo, it didn't for me, and somehow that was interrelated to how messed up my adrenals were (adrenal hormones, cholesterol, vitD, progesterone, all are chemically related in the body, I look to be low across the board).
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Heck, I just thought of a good anti-argument to myself. With TSHs _that_ high when hypo is first diagnosed (I haven't actually seen the articles Jacqueline has, so I could be making bad assumptions), I would hope these people also didn't have significant symptoms (if they'd been missed for decades and the people felt like the walking dead, how horrible for them! and that would imply lots of bad doctor-work) then maybe the one thing that's going wrong is more likely to cause heart problems than the many things I had going wrong. I could argue this either way. Helpful, eh?
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Sometimes they do have significant symptoms and don't realize it. My (new) doctor suspects that my hypothyroid state was in place for at least 10 years before it was diagnosed. I think my first complaint was dry skin (but it's been so long, I don't know anymore). Also, some of the articles I've read have pointed a finger at delusions possibly pointing to a thyroid problem- including auditory and visual hallucinations. More often than not, this is diagnosed as a *mental* health problem rather than a physical one.
Additionally, if there are also adrenal issues, the symptoms of thyroid problems can be masked in a way. One of the reasons mine went undiagnosed for so long (I think) is that anytime I presented with shortness of breath and/or tiredness, it was assumed to be from my "asthma" and my corticosteroids were increased. Corticosteroids, as you may or may not know, allow the body to better utilize the thyroid hormones which *are* available.
So there are myriad ways for it to go undiagnosed for a long time, especially if it's a slow and gradual decline- which is my concern when I see numbers like that.
Of course, one could argue that a sudden change in the hormone levels (such as would take place from hormone replacement) could put stress on the heart as well.

ETA: I would gladly post the articles I've seen, if I could find them again. When I found out I had hypothyroidism, I did a full 3 months of research and had bookmarks out the yin-yang. However, we've since replaced our computer, and I've had my bookmarks deleted on me a good 6 times. :
I searched more than just "hypothyroidism" during that time, things which are related to the condition in various forms, but always looking for information relating to hypothyroidism.
One of these days, I intend to re-do my research, if only so that I can make a file for sharing the articles with others.
Jimibell, I do suggest that you look at stopthethyroidmadness.com, if you haven't already, for a list of hypothyroid symptoms. It is the most comprehensive list I have encountered.

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thank you for the responses....
it's just so weird, because I feel fine! but since I was told by my doc that I have this I have been so nervous.
I have never had any significant health problems in my life. This is very new to me and it makes me so nervous.
When I look at all the symptoms on all the websites the only things I can see are: occasional numbness in my limbs at night, achy fingers in the morning and cramps in my feet-----all of which have virtually disappeared since I've started eating a traditional foods diet (in Nov, by Dec they were gone)
I don't feel cold or tired or lose hair or have trouble losing weight or have especially dry skin (my hands are sometimes dry but that's usually after working in the kitchen a lot and it is like 10 degrees out here). These seem to be the big symptoms I see people mention.

I slept only 6 hours last night (had to watch Craig Ferguson) and I was tired this morning but I took a nap with dd for about an hour and I'm full of energy now. I cleaned and cooked all morning and I have more to do now.....I don't feel lethargic or sleepy at all....
Every day I take walks with dd in the 12 degree weather and, yeah the wind is nippy but I'm fine for about 45 minutes outdoors.

Anyway, I have an appointment with a naturopath next Monday. I'm glad because now I'm totally freaked out! But I am not doing anything until I see her and get tested because I don't know what is causing this, if it's Hashi or adrenal or what. I spoke to my former Chiropractor today and he was shocked in the huge change in my TSH over the course of 2 weeks.

This is so surreal.

When you say heart problems are you talking like down the road or like tomorrow?
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When you say heart problems are you talking like down the road or like tomorrow?
That is the problem. I'd like to be able to say definitively "Down the road", but I have no idea how long this has actually been going on for you and, even then, I don't know how long it *takes* for it to cause problems.
I wasn't trying to scare you, just trying to get across the point that it *is* serious and giving reasons why *I* opted to treat it the way that I did.
I'm glad to hear you will be seeing a naturopath. If it is Hashi's, I recently learned that you shouldn't be treating with iodine *except* under the direct care of a doctor (this would include a naturopath in my books).
It's possible that, with your diet change (assuming that is the only thing which could've changed your TSH in those 2 weeks), a nutritional approach would work perfectly well. *I* am just incredibly cautious when I see such high TSH numbers.

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Just to weigh in. Those numbers freaked me out. But, then I remember that numbers only measure a discrete part of a person's whole. That is precisely the disadvantage and inaccuarcy of Numbers. I go by how I feel. I have periods of being cold, hair loss, tiredness, weight gain, whatever, but I feel great. I trust that I am intending health and wellness, and I nourish myself and my family as I learn more holistic ways.

The most important "lesson" I have gained, as both a medical professional and as a mom, is to LISTEN to your body.


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I remembered that the article I had looked at pertained to subclinical hypothyroidism. So, I did a quick Google search and here's an article which is similar.

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According to the American Thyroid Association press release, even a slightly elevated TSH level causes increased risk for congestive heart failure (CHF). Congestive heart failure results when the heart is incapable of supplying adequate blood to the organs. Symptoms and signs of CHF include fatigue, ankle swelling, and shortness of breath, and may eventually result in death
Some people will have no symptoms nor signs of CHF (my father and his father are examples). They just suddenly die of heart attacks.

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