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#241 of 1777 Old 10-29-2006, 05:43 PM
 
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Okay, ladies. Ilana Shemesh...other midwives...tell me what you know...
I used Ilana back when she was at Misgav Ledach (a'h) and Shane Bergner at home. This was 10 and 9 years ago however. What kind of info are you looking for exactly?
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who is not authoritarian? Who considers their job to be giving "council" and not orders that MUST. BE. OBEYED. Who is super knowledgable and will avoid a hospital at ALL COSTS (in other words, knows it's safe to deliver breech and so forth...), unless the situation is DIRE. Who can safely deal with unusual situations that are not necessarily crisises that require a hospital (hemoraging after birth...) Who has the skill of acupunture or aromatherepy/essential oils to help with labor. Who can help talk you through labor and be a calming presence?

That sort of thing...

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snort -
riv, except for the accupuncture, that's ME
good grief.

belovedbird, i guess you weren't looking (good for you!)

Hello, my name is majikfaerie, and I'm a miserable olah, its been 2 years since my last aliyah, and i think about moving every day. I know the first step is admitting I have a problem, and, with the help of my sponsor, just take each day one at a time...


my dd is sick today, a bit of a cough and low fever but nothing too serious. she woke up and said "mama, i'm sick, make me ginger tea, its a good trufa"

so we're staying in bed today

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"mama, i'm sick, make me ginger tea, its a good trufa"
TOO CUTE!!!!! :
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MF:

Seriously, I am so over your madness. Get out of here already! I know you'd be awesome at my birth...and if the little boy wants to come while you are still in town, then he will...trust me...but things don't work out as smoothly as they do in Israel if they aren't meant to be. Your move has been pretty smooth. Just go with it.

Sorry dd isn't feeling well. Hope my dd doesnt catch it, but I doubt she will, since she picked up every cold known to man while we were in the states. The plastic fruit is filled with sick germs, though...lol.

Okay, anyone besides MF who fits this description?

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who is not authoritarian? Who considers their job to be giving "council" and not orders that MUST. BE. OBEYED. Who is super knowledgable and will avoid a hospital at ALL COSTS (in other words, knows it's safe to deliver breech and so forth...), unless the situation is DIRE. Who can safely deal with unusual situations that are not necessarily crisises that require a hospital (hemoraging after birth...) Who has the skill of acupunture or aromatherepy/essential oils to help with labor. Who can help talk you through labor and be a calming presence?

That sort of thing...
Well, your description is one of Aliza Edry, but she isn't doing births or only does them occassionally.

Shane is more on the hippy side than Illana. If your baby was breech, I think both would refer you to Dr. Barda. I know Illana has an issue with large babies - if she thinks your baby is over 4kg, she will refer you to the hospital. That is on her website, so I'm guessing it hasn't changed.
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MF: what the hell is this lightbulb thing about? I thought you couldn't get a cool title like that until you were a senior member... (I assume this is about your joke).

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MF: what the hell is this lightbulb thing about? I thought you couldn't get a cool title like that until you were a senior member... (I assume this is about your joke).
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I actually have no idea who did the DDDDC, but it seems to be related to the joke I put up;how many MDCers does it take to change a lightbulb
If I was in the US (or at least had a US bank account) I'd probably do it to people to but paying Shari Arison more money on international transfer commissions... (even though she is my boss!)

anyway, DD is still abed, her fever is up at around (39.5) 103F, she feels miserable, poor chook, but wont let me do anything for her by be at her side (and she wont let me stop doing that one!). Actually, she fell asleep in the car on the way back from your place, riv, and woke up at around 9pm, sick as a dog
but if liv were gonna catch it, she prolly would have already. you're prolly right on the plastic fruit idea.
anyway, It looks like another boring day at home.

DH (after a huge fight last night) is off today on a mission to see if we can get plane tickets with a flexible date, and the chances of getting reservations if we go that route... (fingers crossed)

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the correct link to the lightbulb thread

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well dd is a bit warm and DID sleep about 15 hours last night (um...that's a first) so perhaps she did pick up a little something, but she still seems okay, B"H. It's funny, cause though we didn't vax her, I feel like these past 3 weeks have been a super mini-vax, since she's picked up colds from all over the world. B"H she is fighting it like a super champ. I love her so much!

I woke up at 8:30am today and just watched her for like 40 min sleeping. She is so special and wonderful. And it's times like that that I really feel like "okay, I CAN do another!"

Of course, there was the night before last, where she was up until 4am. Pointless trying to get her to sleep, so around 2am I took her out into the family room to read books. Of course she was up at 8:30am, so we were both exhausted. And she only took a 45 min nap (that is when you were over MF) and I just had really high hopes that she would sleep well. No cigar. Maybe jet lag?

ANyways, then the whole day she is whiny and cry-y and I"m thinking "um, I can NOT be a mother of two. Forget it. Someone else is going to have to come in here and pick up the pieces because I will implode. Self destruct. Whatever."

Tick tock tick tock...this birth is right around the corner. Still so many mixed feelings.

NOw I KNOW there are some mama's on here with like 5 zillion kids...and at some point that must have been just two...so how did YOU do it?

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riv,
PPTTHHHH! why dya think I still have just one!!
lol,
I think it gets "easier" the more you have.
( just spent the morning talking woith my therapist about this )

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Dear Moms and Moms to-be -

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Currently, I am carrying several styles of the "Monica" and "Triumph"
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Posted by: "The Oserans" jroseran@netvision.net.il rachelle_oseran
Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:33 pm (PST)
Great Shape/YMCA, specialists in pre/postnatal health and fitness, in conjunction with the Israel Childbirth Education Centre, are hosting a conference for childbirth professionals (midwives, doulas, childbirth educators, lactation consultants) entitled “Humanizing Birth” on November 7th at the YMCA on King David Street in Jerusalem. Many companies that deal with pregnancy, childbirth or baby-related items will be exhibiting their latest products at the Childbirth Expo. While entry to the lectures requires a registration fee, the Expo is open to the public for FREE from 9.30a.m. – 12.00p.m. and from 1.00p.m. – 5.00p.m. For more information call (02)6258436.

Companies that will be exhibiting at the Expo are:
homeopathic and pharmaceutical remedies (for pregnancy and labor), including natural treatments for babies (Bara, Solgar, Forever, Bilha, Raphael, Valeda, Baby Teva)
breastfeeding pumps and nursing tops (Medela, Baby B)
cord blood banks (Krayosel, Taburit, Biocord, Ta Lachayim)
nursing pillows, bean bags, etc. (Caritay, Milega)
Neviot water
many childbirth-related books that are unavailable in bookstores

Following is the program for the conference (this requires a registration fee):

PROGRAM:

8.00 – 9.00 a.m. – Registration and refreshments

9.00 – 9.15a.m. – Welcome remarks:

Rachelle Oseran, Co-director, Great Shape/YMCA,

Varda Margalit, Chairwoman, Israel Midwives’ Association,

Wendy Blumfield, President, Israel Childbirth Education Centre

9.15a.m.- 12.00p.m. – Denis Walsh: Rhythms in Labor

1st Stage:

history and context of "progress mindset'

new understanding of birth hormones

variations as physiology, not pathology

skills for labor support

subverting assembly-line birth

2nd Stage:

medicalization of 2nd stage

physiology and pushing

physiology and time

empowering care

3rd Stage:

medicalization of 3rd stage

research evidence & context

rehabilitating physiology of 3rd stage

the significance of the 1st hour after birth

“This program will give you the background information and ammunition you need to challenge the status quo in maternity care. Denis Walsh has the evidence you need to

underpin modern maternity practice and ensure it is woman-centered, midwifery orientated and based on best practice.” (Andrea Robertson on Denis Walsh's workshop)

12.00 p.m. – 1.00p.m. – Light lunch provided

1.00p.m. – 2.00 p.m. – Denis Walsh: Rhythms in Labor (continued)

2.00 – 2.15 p.m. – Short Break

2.15 – 3.00 p.m. Film: “Working under Restraint / Monologues from the Delivery Room” - Four actresses, two of whom are midwives, explore scenes from the delivery room in a typical hospital. They describe their dreams, goals, frustrations and beliefs; their relationship with colleagues, doctors and restrictive protocols; the lack of appreciation of their skills and, most of all, their feelings about women and the power of natural birth.

The authentic material was written by Israeli midwives. The creator of the project: Leslie Wolff.

3.00 – 3.30 p.m. Refreshments

3.30 – 5.15 p.m. - Robbie Davis-Floyd: Three Paradigms of Birth and Health Care:

The Technocratic, Humanistic, and Holistic Models

Come and learn about the three major paradigms that influence birth and health care around the world. What is a paradigm and why does it matter? How does each paradigm define the human body and how does this definition affect the kind of health care you get? How can we find ways to treat birth humanistically and holistically in an increasingly technocratic world? Robbie Davis-Floyd PhD, anthropologist, birth activist and international speaker, will address all these questions and more in an engaging presentation that will give you lots to think about and more to do!

5.15 – 5.30 p.m. – Short Break

5.30 – 6.30p.m. – Alan Huber: Can a Mother-Friendly Birth Model Make Financial Sense?

Can mother-friendly birth in Israel be sufficiently profitable so that the financial and medical community become proponents? Together we will clear up misconceptions of how much birth really costs, both in the short term and the long term and real solutions will be offered. Birth advocates will learn which arguments work and which fall on deaf ears and why. Case studies will be presented that will show government officials why a mother friendly model benefits them. Doulas and private pay midwives will also learn how to successfully collect fees from difficult clients and ways of getting more clients into your practice.

Rachelle Oseran

Lamaze Certified Childbirth Educator

Co-director, Great Shape/YMCA
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2.15 – 3.00 p.m. Film: “Working under Restraint / Monologues from the Delivery Room” - Four actresses, two of whom are midwives, explore scenes from the delivery room in a typical hospital. They describe their dreams, goals, frustrations and beliefs; their relationship with colleagues, doctors and restrictive protocols; the lack of appreciation of their skills and, most of all, their feelings about women and the power of natural birth.

The authentic material was written by Israeli midwives. The creator of the project: Leslie Wolff.
I just met Leslie Wolff. What a dynamic women! This conference sounds amazing.
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It *does* sound amazing. Sigh. Can't go.





Strange question: Does anyone here know of anyone who works in an office that uses transcriptionists (meaning typists who type/transcribe dictation)? I just got an offer for steady work but I need a transcriber (microcassette transcription machine) and didn't bring the old beat-up one I had in the States with me (it didn't have the right voltage anyway) and can't find one here. Called one US transcription store/website, and the shipping charges were almost $200, so that freaked me out, and it wouldn't necessarily have been a machine I could use.

Sigh.

Had just been stressing about my lack of work prospects, too ... so now I have one but am stressing about my lack of work equipment. Double sigh.





j'riv, am digging around for your phone number ... it's here somewhere ...
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Ariel,

Leading Lady: 38H. Got it? I NEED it and I know it's discontinued. It was the double cotton underwire nursing bra with the embrodery along the top. I've been looking EVERYWHERE (US included and on the internet) for this or something comprable...HELP ME!!!! And do I get a 10% discount too?! THANK YOU.

Amy...Um I'll PM you with the number.

MF...well dd is sick. Has a fever and threw up for the first time ever today (baby spit up doesn't count). Poor baby. How long did this last with your dd? I'll have the sushi ready tomorrow. It's worth a shot...though she doesn't eat the seaweed unless it's in tiny pieces and usually cooked...but all the filling part will be ready...

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hey j'riv...
sorry to hear your DD is sick... my DD was better after 2 days, though she still has a bit of a cough.

okay, (I hope I manage to talk to you before you read this)

I decided on when to fly!
I realised that rainbow is just another rainbow, and Ive been to heaps before and Ill be at heaps more, and birth is where I really want to be. So we tried to book for 30 December.

BUT, all day on the phone with 3 different travel agents...

there are NO vacancies left on the cheap deal for the whole month of December WTF!!???
What about the other flight that is $100 more (x3 coz there's 3 of us), there's only ONE available space on that price, and its on the 10th December. :
so what else is there? Even if its a bit more expensive (coz actually staying a few weeks more means DH earns more)...
we could fly on either the 6th or in the middle of december, $300 more each ($900!) but still not as late as I want it to be, or for some ridiculous price that I didnt even bother to write down we can fly when we like, more or less.
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and then!!! there's a space, 3 tickets with the first really cheap deal... on the 4th of December.

so, we bought it, lest that go too and we end up paying thousands.
Zeu, decision made for me.
and isnt it ironic?
(or just bloody typical that I didnt make my mind up sooner )

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It *does* sound amazing. Sigh. Can't go.





Strange question: Does anyone here know of anyone who works in an office that uses transcriptionists (meaning typists who type/transcribe dictation)? I just got an offer for steady work but I need a transcriber (microcassette transcription machine) and didn't bring the old beat-up one I had in the States with me (it didn't have the right voltage anyway) and can't find one here. Called one US transcription store/website, and the shipping charges were almost $200, so that freaked me out, and it wouldn't necessarily have been a machine I could use.

Sigh.
It does sound interesting, and I can't go either. Too bad.
This is just another interesting thing I can't go too since I work, very annoying. Jack Newman is supposed to be here this month too, and I won't be able to go hear him either.


As for the transcribing, could you use any of these? http://www.zap.co.il/models.asp?sog=E-Recorder

To say the truth, I know nothing about transcribing, but this was the only thing I could think of that sounded like it was in the neighborhood. Googling the hebrew word for transcribing (shiklut) gave me nothing.

HTH, sorry if it doesn't. You might want to try Janglo or the Raanana group.
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there's also Taanglo@yahoogroups, and a rehovot@yahoogroups
probably more as well.
theyre all really good resources anyway.

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MF:

Your new "location" is making me weep. Maybe it's just the pregnancy hormones though.

S in the Golan Heights:

SOOOO nice to meet you and your beautiful family today. Can't wait to do it again....

To EVERYBODY:

Okay, Shane and Joyce...two midwives...who knows em and what do you have to say about them?

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Okay, Shane and Joyce...two midwives...who knows em and what do you have to say about them?
I know both of them. They are actually good friends and Joyce has been Shane's midwife for some of her deliveries - I think there isn't so much of a difference. Shane might be a bit more laid back, but I knew Joyce back in the days when she wasn't doing homebirths, so that might have changed.

ETA - I had a homebirth with Shane.
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mom27: Okay...you homebirthed with Shane...tell me...what was she like? Knows essential oils, spiritual? Acupressure? Competent? Give me an overview? Were you happy with her? Was her approach more "offering advice" or "authoritarian" (ie "DO THIS OR YOUR BABY WILL DIE", and that is a direct quote from my midwife in my last pregnancy). What do you know about prices?
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mom27: Okay...you homebirthed with Shane...tell me...what was she like? Knows essential oils, spiritual? Acupressure? Competent? Give me an overview? Were you happy with her?
Definately spiritual, competant. Knowlege of herbs and some homeopathy, the rest I don't know. Keep in mind this was 10 years ago, so she may have more knowledge of these types of things since then.

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Was her approach more "offering advice" or "authoritarian" (ie "DO THIS OR YOUR BABY WILL DIE", and that is a direct quote from my midwife in my last pregnancy).
Absolutely not authoritarian. I had a retained clot and hemorhaged about an hour after birth and she was a very calm presence and worked with me - no 'you are getting pitocin NOW!' or anything like that. We were doing uterine massage and herbs, expressing a clot and I said, 'just give me the pitocin and let's be done with it'. I also got an IV, but only after we talked about it and it wasn't something she insisted on. We talked about it and agreed that I might feel better with some fluids (I did.).

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What do you know about prices?
THANX!!!
Nnot up on current fees, sorry.
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j'riv - dont read this, I dont want to spark any emotional outbursts besides, we already talked...

SO! we actually started packing! well, I browsed the MDC boards while DH went through the "out of the way top shelves of the closet" and put all our old junk into boxes!

Anyway, we are selling all our stuff (I know this should technically be on the trading post thread, but this really is just relevant to folk in Israel), so if anyone wants anything from our entire house full of furniture, including a computer, car, fridge, oven, washing machine, beds, cupboards, sofa, kitchen gear, bookshelves, books, kids' stuff (toys/clothes/books/brazillian diaper covers, mostly to suit and under 3yo) a big ladder even some grown-up clothes (clothes and kid's stuff is a give-away, and some of the older furniture too)

drop me a PM...

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j'riv, the only source of information on homebirths in Israel is in Hebrew, at Beofen TV. They have reviews of different MWs and a lot of other info, how's your Hebrew? Do you have someone who can help you read it and ask questions if necessary?
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dh and I were on there last night. The trouble with this is that I just really don't, at this point, feel comfortable birthing with someone who is not thinking in my language. I mean, if I could find an Israeli midwife who is 100% fluent in English, then okay, I'd consider it....but I can't deal with the communication blocks and the translation issues that might come up at a birth. I need the clear lines of communication to be open. Does that make any sense?

So I'm really just needing English speaking resources, which I know exist on there, but through the eyes of Israelis, for the most part, which just doesn't yet jive with my world view.

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julriv have you seen this site, everyone i know uses ilana shemesh - this is her site, or joyce. and i've heard it costs about 1000 bucks. if you wan ta doula i have a friend in yerushalayim who is wonderful and i have other names too. pm me.
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Ilana Shemesh+me=not a good fit.

Haven't called Joyce yet, I'm getting the impression that she is not "laid back" enough for me. As we all know, birth is a spiritual and very personal thing. After my last HORRENDOUS experience, I really need someone who is a CALMING, HEALING, CONFIDENT presence.

Here is what I am not looking for:

A "MEDwife", and I don't mean that in a derogatory way (lol, I just know this post will be deleted if I don't include this), I mean it in a very literal way...like midwife who is VERY reliant or even somewhat reliant on western medicine.

A liar. This would be someone who tells flat out lies. For example, "if you don't have the GD test, then your baby will die" or "pain medicine is contraindicated in a patient taking piticoin". Both direct quotes from my past midwife, by the way.

An authorian. This would be the person that says "the position you are going into doesn't work. You must be in THIS position to labor" or "if you do not have this test done, you will not be able to birth at home". On the flip side, someone who says "I would feel more comfortable knowing your test results for, say, iron levels, because this would decrease your statistical risk of hemmoraging after the birth. But of course all tests are optional. I certainly will not abandon you if you make an informed decision to not take this test." would be perfectly acceptable. So would someone who says "I see that you prefer to labor in this position, and we can come back to it, but I think if we try this other position for a little while, we might make some more progress."

In other words, there is an approach I am looking for, that I respond BEST to. This is what works for me and keeps the lines of communication and trust open.

"Oh my G-d! You are hemmoraging! We must transfer/medicate/fill in the blank you right away or else everyone will DIE!!!!" is NOT the way I would like a potential crisis to be handled.

"Okay, you are having some heavy bleeding so we are going to try to cut that down in steps...first we will try herbs and massage, then we will move on to acupressure and finally an injection of piticoin, all of which we can do right here. We'll take each step as slowly and gently as possible and decide together when and how to proceed." is something I would be much more receptive to.

So, now that I've given some more hints...can anyone comment on Shane, Joyce, or anyone else they know about. I'm also interested in doulas too. Money IS an issue. A BIG issue. I have been told that "people will work with you" and work out payment plans, but the midwife I just spoke with said that "you can make payments, but it must be on this schedule and you are limited to three payments" and this sort of thing. Also the fee to sit and meet with her, to hear her "rules" is 200 shecks and that is NOT applied towards the cost of the birth. Which I find interesting, because not everyone charges for the initial consulation, and then I have ALWAYS understood it to be deducted from the total fee if you decide to go with the midwife. I think 200 shecks is a weird amount to quibble over. Like to say "I charge "X" PLUS 200 shecks for the first appointment" but, maybe it's just me.

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hello out there, yes i would be grateful to get together for a mother/play group. i live in Binyamina (Israel) and we (live-in boyfriend) have a 16 month old son that loves people and fun as much as i do.
i am originally from Cambridge,MASS and have lived in northern Cali and Boulder,CO. i had moved to Binyamina to be near Pardes Hanna, cuz i like the vibes there, but am finding it difficult to bond with the place cuz we only have one set of wheels and my man uses them to get to work.
i'm feelin like i miss my people back in the states, but i'm here now so i make the best of it.
community is sooo important, Especially when you have a child or children. tommorow i am going to check out a nursery for my son cuz i haven't been able to find my tribe out here and he needs to be with other kids , and it is breaking my heart in a way.i hope it's a good one. i am into the Waldorf way/anthropasophic mind-set, but i don't think there is anything like that around here.
if someone knows of a Waldorfy nursery near me please let me know.
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