Military move overseas and vax?? - Mothering Forums

Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
#1 of 8 Old 01-08-2009, 01:14 PM - Thread Starter
 
paniscus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Japan
Posts: 650
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
We delay and selectively vax. We have recently found out we will be moving to Japan with dh's job - the Navy. Apparently there is some sort of overseas screening we have to go through - not just dh. The town we will move to is small and their is only a military clinic not a military hospital. So they want to make sure we don't have any major health issues that couldn't be handled there. Ok - seems fair to me.

But there is also a vax requirement for the boys - just the normal CDC stuff. Has anyone looked into this before?? Is there a waiver? Getting info out of military personnel is like pulling teeth!!

~~Mama to DS1 6/05 and DS2 12/07~~
paniscus is offline  
#2 of 8 Old 01-08-2009, 02:07 PM
 
armychicmkm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: La Crosse, WI
Posts: 112
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
No answer for you.... I just had the exact same question because I am currently trying to join the Navy.
armychicmkm is offline  
#3 of 8 Old 01-08-2009, 02:57 PM
 
Emmeline II's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,817
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I would ask to see the vaccine "requirement" for dependents to go overseas regulation; the actual regulation, not a snippet, because I know of no regulation of any service that can require dependents to be vaccinated to accompany a member overseas (though you are the second Navy spouse I know that has been told something like this). If there is such a regulation I'd like the title and number. Also, if they try to deny you anything and they don't have a reg for it get them to sign a statement with the reason for denial. Oh, and you are religiously opposed to the practice of vaccination and you will not discuss your religious views with them.

The "Exeptional Family Members" program is to keep family members from being stationed in a location that cannot provide adequate medical care and therapies. I'm sure you can get some vit A to treat the measles should it come up.

Remember that you are a civilian, your children are civilians, and that they are not disease infested swamp things ). Also, as a civilian you can be Wiccan or Catholic and still be "opposed to the practice of immunization". The Chaplain can govern the exemptions of service members but not dependents. If you have a sympathetic person in your dh's chain of command you may want to take them to any meetings; in any case you will want a witness and to write down what they have told you immediately afterwards.


[quote]

MOTHERING THREAD
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/member.php?u=51507


DODEA
Quote:
http://www.dodea.edu/foia/iod/pdf/1005_1.pdf

On page 70 (section 18.2):

"18.2.1.3 Religious — A student’s parent/sponsor may claim exemption from the DoDEA immunization requirements for religious reasons. If the parent maintains the need to continue the religious exemption during a documented outbreak of a contagious disease, the student will be excluded from school for his/her protection and the safety of the other students until the contagious period is over. Religious exemptions require a written statement from the parent/sponsor stating that he/she objects to the vaccination based upon personal beliefs. "

and...
Quote:
Paragraph 3-2.b.(4) at the bottom of page 10 of this document:

http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/969r40_562.pdf It specifically states, "(4) Department of Defense schoolteachers, daycare center workers, and children attending DOD–sponsored schools
and daycare centers or similar facilities on military installations.
"

ARMY
Army Regulation 40–562
BUMEDINST 6230.15A
AFJI 48–110
CG COMDTINST M6230.4F

http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/969r40_562.pdf
pg. 10, section 3.2, para 4 says:

Quote:
In addition, all other age appropriate ACIP–recommended vaccines for children are required unless there is documentation of previous immunization, religious exemption, or medical contraindication.


Army Regulation 608-10

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r608_10.pdf
4-6
(2) A waiver of the immunization requirement must be approved in writing by the Chief, Preventive Medicine or
health consultant. Parents must be counseled that children with waivers will be excluded from the program in the event
of vaccine preventable communicable disease outbreak.


C–37. Compliance item 15.

c. Equivalency. A waiver of immunizations signed by Chief, Preventive Medicine may be considered for religious
convictions. Parents must be counseled that the child may be excluded during an outbreak of vaccine preventable
communicable disease.




MARINE CORPS
MCO P1710.30E
MR
24 Jun 04

2005. HEALTH AND SANITATION GUIDELINES

3. In CDCs, FCC/OFCC, SAC, Youth and Teen and private organizations:
a. Children enrolled in CDP shall have on file documentation of current age
appropriate immunizations as recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics.
Youth and Teen programs are exempt from this requirement.

http://www.usmc.mil/news/publication...W%20CH%201.pdf



AIR FORCE
Quote:
AFI 34-276 is the AFI that governs Family Child Care.
http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/share.../AFI34-276.pdf

Page 53. "A5.40.3. The provider maintains medical information for each child, including permission to treat emergencies signed by the parent(s), child’s allergies, chronic illness and other known health prob-lems, and immunizations (or written documentation of parents’ objections for religious reasons). This information is recorded on the AF Form 1181, Youth Flight Patron Registration Form."

Compare with the requirements for military members' religious exemptions:

Quote:
http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfi.../afi34-248.pdf

AFI34-248 1 OCTOBER 1999 43
Chapter 11
HEALTH
11.1. Health Protection. Protect the health of staff, children, and parents while they are in the program.
Use Caring for Our Children: Health and Safety Guidelines for Out-of-Home Care as general guidance on
health issues not covered by this instruction.
11.2. Access. Limit the access of well children to children or adults with contagious illnesses.
11.2.1. Do not provide care to children without immunizations required by Air Force policy unless it
is an emergency.
(What is the Air Force policy that governs Immunizations, you ask?)

5.6. Child Development Program Assistant Training and Examinations.
5.6.8. Each staff member has had a physical examination within the last 3 years and the tests, examinations, and immunizations required by AF Joint Instruction 48-110, Immunizations and Chemprophylaxis.

Caring for Our Children: Health and Safety Guidelines for Out-of-Home Care
Under-Immunized Children-3.006 If immunizations are not given because of parents' religious beliefs, a waiver signed by the parent shall be on file. If a child who is not immunized is in care, the parents must be notified of the risk of the spread of preventable diseases.
http://nrc.uchsc.edu/ELG/elg_immunizations.htm
Quote:


http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/969r40_562.pdf
Army Regulation 40–562
BUMEDINST 6230.15A (NAVY)
AFJI 48–110 (Air Force Joint Instruction 48-110)
CG COMDTINST M6230.4F (COAST GUARD)


2–6. Exemptions
There are 2 types of exemptions from immunization: medical and administrative. Granting medical exemptions is a
medical function that can only be validated by a health care professional. Granting administrative exemptions is a
non–medical function, usually controlled by the individual’s unit commander....

(3) Religious.
(a) For Service personnel, immunization exemptions for religious reasons may be granted according to Service–
specific policies to accommodate doctrinal religious beliefs. This is a command decision made with medical and
chaplain advice.
1. Requests for religious exemption must include name, rank, social security number (SSN), occupational specialty
code or branch, and a description of the religious tenet or belief contrary to immunization. Army: (see AR 600–20,
para 5–6). Air Force: Permanent exemptions for religious reasons will not be granted. The major command (MAJCOM)
commander is the designated approval and revocation authority for temporary immunization exemptions. Coast
Guard: CG–122 is the designated approval and revocation authority for temporary immunization exemptions.
2. A military physician must counsel the applicant. The physician should ensure that the Service personnel is
making an informed decision and should address, at a minimum, specific information about the diseases concerned;
specific vaccine information including product constituents, benefits, and risks; and potential risks of infection incurred
by unimmunized individuals.
3. The commander must counsel the individual and recommend approval or denial of the exemption request, by
endorsement. The commander must counsel that noncompliance with immunization requirements may adversely impact
deployability, assignment, or international travel, and that the exemption may be revoked under imminent risk
conditions. The commander, in making his or her recommendation, should consider the potential impact on the
individual, the unit, and the mission.
4. Forward exemption requests through command channels to the respective Service approval authority for decision.
Individuals with active requests for religious exemption are temporarily deferred from immunizations pending outcome
of their request. For USCG, forward through appropriate chain to G–WPM, via CG–1121.
(b) Civilian employees submit religious–exemption requests to their supervisors. Such requests will be processed in
accordance with 29 CFR 1605 and component and local policies.
c. Bargaining units. Civilian personnel affected by this document who are members of bargaining units will be
considered for exemption consistent with applicable personnel management policies.
d. Other categories. Administrative or medical personnel will appropriately annotate electronic ITS with exemption
codes denoting separation, permanent change of station, emergency leave, missing or prisoner of war, deceased, and
other appropriate categories.
NAVY
See above. Also note that the Navy appears to follow DOD Regulations in regards to Navy daycare and youth programs.
https://qol.persnet.navy.mil/CYPWeb/...aspx?id=Policy

________________________________________________


United States> Code of Federal Regulations> Title 29 - Labor> CHAPTER XIV--EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION

29 C.F.R. PART 1605—GUIDELINES ON DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF RELIGION

§ 1605.1 “Religious” nature of a practice or belief.
In most cases whether or not a practice or belief is religious is not at issue. However, in those cases in which the issue does exist, the Commission will define religious practices to include moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views. This standard was developed in United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965) and Welsh v. United States, 398 U.S. 333 (1970). The Commission has consistently applied this standard in its decisions.1 The fact that no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not accept such belief will not determine whether the belief is a religious belief of the employee or prospective employee. The phrase “religious practice” as used in these Guidelines includes both religious observances and practices, as stated in section 701(j), 42 U.S.C. 2000e(j).





Quote:

To whom it may concern;



(We / I) {First and Last name(s)}, as the {(parent (s) / guardian(s)} of ______________________(name of newborn child) are exercising (our/my) rights under the US Constitution, Army Regulation 40-562, BUMEDINST 6230.15A, AF JI 48-110, CG COMDTINST M6230.4F , section 3.2, para4, and Army Regulation 608-10, section 4-6, para 2, to receive Religious Exemption from Vaccination, due to our genuine and sincere religious beliefs which are contrary to the practices herein required.


The U.S. Supreme Court held in Frazee V. Illinois Dept. of Security, 489 U.S. 829, that a religious belief is subject to protection even though no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not advocate or require such belief. This ruling is also reflected in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as amended Nov. 1, 1980; Part 1605.1-Guidelines on Discrimination Because of Religion.


Sincerely,

Your signature.
Date

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
Emmeline II is offline  
#4 of 8 Old 03-19-2009, 11:54 AM
 
covertlycrunchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
There are waivers but prepare for a fight, Our wiaver is currently going to the pentagon because they don't know what to do with it
covertlycrunchy is offline  
#5 of 8 Old 03-20-2009, 10:46 AM
 
covertlycrunchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Does Anyone have experience fileling for religious exemption as a civilian for my dependent at a joint command run by the Air Force USAFE, nobody local seems to know how to take care of it at a local level. as prev stated they are sending it to the pentagon which seems overkill.
covertlycrunchy is offline  
#6 of 8 Old 03-20-2009, 02:29 PM - Thread Starter
 
paniscus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Japan
Posts: 650
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't know but I was told it would be a "lengthy battle in litigation" for us. We selec. vax so that may be part of it. I wish you tons of luck though....

~~Mama to DS1 6/05 and DS2 12/07~~
paniscus is offline  
#7 of 8 Old 03-20-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Emmeline II's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,817
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by covertlycrunchy View Post
Does Anyone have experience fileling for religious exemption as a civilian for my dependent at a joint command run by the Air Force USAFE, nobody local seems to know how to take care of it at a local level. as prev stated they are sending it to the pentagon which seems overkill.
As I said before, I think that they are playing you. They REFUSE to tell you who the approving authority is and haven't provided you with an updated copy of the 6201.5 that says anything different than religious exemptions are allowed and there is no approving authority.

Go up your chain for help in finding out the name of the "approving authority" or go to your congressman. Even IF it is true that they sent the question to the Pentagon (doubt it) no one is in a hurry to do anything for you and your two months will be up.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...6&postcount=11

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
Emmeline II is offline  
#8 of 8 Old 03-20-2009, 08:22 PM
 
Emmeline II's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,817
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by paniscus View Post
I don't know but I was told it would be a "lengthy battle in litigation" for us. We selec. vax so that may be part of it. I wish you tons of luck though....
She also used a section of a regulation that dealt with DODs schools, CDC daycares, and other childminding institutions that had nothing to do with dependents getting a medical clearance for an overseas accompanied tour, to deny you medical clearance for an overseas tour. It's like saying "you cannot include pianos in your household goods and this regulation, regarding pcsing with pets, backs up my statement."

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
Emmeline II is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Drag and Drop File Upload
Drag files here to attach!
Upload Progress: 0
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Mothering Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off