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View Poll Results: Will you vax self for H1N1 Swine Flu if available
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#151 of 179 Old 08-19-2009, 05:31 AM
 
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This is not a new, untested, experimental vaccine. This is the very same vehicle used for the seasonal flu -- only difference is the addition of the H1N1.
It is new. Are you saying they are going to bottle up the exact same ingredients of the swine flu vaccine from the 70s and use that? Strains change, methods change (i.e. swine flu nasal drops)Anyways if this is all tried and true why are they spending all this time and money trying to push it through safety trials and so on, if it is not NEW. That just isn't logical.

It is still not fully tested- you said yourself you are participating in trials for dosage. It's still being tested and tweaked and we don't know what the final result is going to be. Also, has it been tested on pregnant women? Infants? young children? How many?

And we'll just have to agree to disagree on it being experimental- to me opening up a new vaccine to the public in a rush and then seeing "what happens" is experimental. So they've done safety trials on a limited number of people/population, but they certainly weren't longitudinal- what happens 10 years from now? 5? 1? It's hard to say...

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If you are a stay at home mom with children that are not school-aged then maybe you can't see a good reason to get it. If you don't have to see people everyday, or go out into public, or you don't mind being sick or don't mind your children being sick then I guess you have factors to consider that many of us don't. I, personally, do mind my children being sick and as I said before, I cannot afford to be sick. So, it's a no-brainer for me. We will all take the vaccine.
I hear you on the not being able to afford being sick! Honestly I also personally do mind my children being sick and the only two life threatening illnesses in my family occured as a result of vaccinating, so that's where I'm at right now.

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If you are a stay at home mom with children that are not school-aged then maybe you can't see a good reason to get it. If you don't have to see people everyday, or go out into public, or you don't mind being sick or don't mind your children being sick then I guess you have factors to consider that many of us don't. I, personally, do mind my children being sick and as I said before, I cannot afford to be sick. So, it's a no-brainer for me. We will all take the vaccine.
Wow. This is really insulting.

I work FT out of the home. I currently have 9 hours of sick paid time. DH has no PTO at either of his jobs. We cannot afford to be sick, yet none of us will receive this shot, even if offered.

I work in child care, DS comes to work with me and DH has a myriad of health issues that may put him in the "high-risk" category and comes into contact with hundreds of people a day. We will not receive this shot.

Also, no I do not like being sick and I HATE seeing DS sick. I cannot imagine having the flu and taking care of a child with the flu. That sounds like hell to me. Still, we will not receive the shot.

By your reasoning, I should just sequester myself and my family in my home. After all, I might catch a bad cold at the grocery store. Or hand foot and mouth disease at Target.

We all take calculated risks everyday. To imply that a parent is irresponsible or likes to see their child sick because they don't vax is insulting.

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Wow. This is really insulting.

I work FT out of the home. I currently have 9 hours of sick paid time. DH has no PTO at either of his jobs. We cannot afford to be sick, yet none of us will receive this shot, even if offered.

I work in child care, DS comes to work with me and DH has a myriad of health issues that may put him in the "high-risk" category and comes into contact with hundreds of people a day. We will not receive this shot.

Also, no I do not like being sick and I HATE seeing DS sick. I cannot imagine having the flu and taking care of a child with the flu. That sounds like hell to me. Still, we will not receive the shot.

By your reasoning, I should just sequester myself and my family in my home. After all, I might catch a bad cold at the grocery store. Or hand foot and mouth disease at Target.

We all take calculated risks everyday. To imply that a parent is irresponsible or likes to see their child sick because they don't vax is insulting.

this. Plus, getting the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get anything and it may actually GIVE YOU the disease. My mom's husband was forced to get the flu vax every year for years (military health care worker) and guaranteed within a week or two of getting it, his whole hospital wing would have flu symptoms.

sorry, vaccines are not a guarantee.

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Definitely not!
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I honestly don't know what to think. I am pregnant due in Dec and will personally NOT be getting the shot. I say this because I have never had issues when I've gotten sick in the past.
On the other hand, my son gets sick with EVERYTHING that is going around. Anytime he's had a bad virus, he gets a very high fever. I am scared I'll admit, of him catching this particular virus and how he would deal with it. Is the vaccine more dangerous to him? Could be since he seems so succeptable to getting ill.
Also, my step-son was very sick this summer. It turns out his uncle (whom he lives with) was confirmed to have the H1N1. My step son had a high fever and slept alot. He was also spending alot of time at our place and playing with his little brother (my DS). It was only when he got near the end of his illness that we found out that his uncle was a confirmed case. He then went into the doctor and they said it was too late to test because he was at the end of the sickness but they suspected he had it as well. The rest of us did not get sick, but is it possible we could have picked up any immunity to it if indeed he had it as well?

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i will if pregnant, and i will try to get it for dd, age 2. i checked undecided because i do not know if i will be pregnant.
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If you think you can trust the government about vaccine safety maybe you should take a look at RFK Jr.s Deadly Immunity

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a mercury/autism scandal

In June 2000, a group of federal officials and industry representatives assembled to discuss a disturbing new study which questioned the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children
Instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.

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Exactly my point!

I don't find it appropriate or helpful to judge others on their choices. When someone asks my opinions on my choices I provide them.

My husband is an American soldier with five soldiers with swine flu, two of whom are in critical care. My small military post has 164 cases of swine flu and I am 23 weeks pregnant. I am thankful that the swine flu vaccine is a choice I can make for myself and my unborn baby rather than relying on the choices of others who do not know my situation.

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That's a resounding H*LL no. Not me, not my kids, not my spouse... period.

Just my two cents. Not critical of anyone who says yes. Each person has the right to their own decision.

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I didn't intend to offend anyone. Only saying that when I was a stay-at-home mom it was much easier to stay away from large groups of people, and to keep my kids away from large groups. I don't think anyone would deny that that certainly is something to consider in regards to whether you'd want prophylactic anything for a publicly-transmitted illness. Work in a hospital? You'll want it. Stay at home? Probably not.

I did misquote my doctor, was quoting something else entirely, and I apologize. The current stats for H1N1 infection via CDC are:
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As of August 14, 2009, 7,511 hospitalizations and 477 deaths (10 deaths in individuals 0-4 years, 67 deaths in individuals 5-24 years, 203 deaths in adults 25-49 years, 135 deaths in adults 50-64 years, 45 deaths in adults age 65 and older, and 17 deaths with unknown age) associated with novel influenza A (H1N1) virus have been identified by CDC and state and local public health departments.
Many apologies for my previous misquote. You were right to question it. Let's please do question sources. This is data from CDC, not a rock magazine or a news media outlet.
I am confident about my choice, so I'll be bowing out.

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[BI have asthma but I really don't trust the swine flu vax, I don't get the the regular flu vax either. I think for now I will just take my chances.[/B]
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Not sure what's going to happen here in Canada- I have actually seen an increase in the number of calls from the Health Unit here reminding me that my child has not had his shots. I wonder if that has something to do with this H1N1.

We won't get this vaccine. My mother used to work for one of the health regions here, and told me year after year, no matter what, there was NEVER a good reason to get the Flu Vaccine because it really didn't do anything accept give people the false sense of security that they were protected.

I haven't had the flu in years. I had it once when I was a child, and anything since then has just been gastro bugs, or colds. I personally think a lot of people mistake gastro bugs with the flu.

But, no, just in case you were wondering, we definitely, without a doubt will not get this vaccine. Someone else said it- Over my cold, DEAD body. It won't touch me, or my child.
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This is data from CDC, not a rock magazine
Talk about double think. Maybe you'd like to tell everyone here why on earth we should trust anything the government says with its proven record of lies. I'm assuming you know the government lies...

Why dismiss Rolling Stone? Has Rolling Stone lied to you? The government has, and does. You know that but you trust it implicitly. Go figure.

Tell me how you know the CDC stats are reliable and how you know RFK Jr's article is not?

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Intellectual dishonesty. It's called an argument ad-hominem. Attacking the source instead of the argument. Rolling Stone didn't even author the piece for crying gout loud. RFK Jr. did.

And what of "a rock magazine"? You can't debunk anything RFK Jr. says in that article. In fact, I'll give you ten to one you haven't even read the article.

You know the funny thing is, I bet you'd hang on every word in RFK Jr's article if it were posted on the CDC website.


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Let's please do question sources.
Yes let's do, provided we apply the same standards of credibility consistently and honestly to all sources making sure we do not commit the logical fallacy of the ad-hominem.
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there was NEVER a good reason to get the Flu Vaccine because it really didn't do anything accept give people the false sense of security that they were protected.
In the winter of 2007/2008, I got vaccinated for the flu along with my kids. My whole family got sick during what they said was a horribly bad flu season. My kids both ended up in the ER; I was pregnant and my case was the mildest. DH was sick for three weeks, as the flu morphed into a bronchial and then a sinus infection.

I always thought it was interesting that after everyone started getting sick with this exceptionally nasty strain of flu, the press was talking about how all of the flu shots were for a different strain that ended up not being a threat. We got vaccinated for the wrong strain? They said it was a guessing game anyway.

WTH? Seriously? So getting the flu shot is like a gamble. And this H1N1 has already been shown to morph quickly as it spreads, yet case for case is not nearly as devastating as that flu season I mentioned. Way more widespread, yes, but not as debilitating, tenacious or potentially fatal.

That's why we won't get the shot. But again, the beauty of it all is that for those who wish to get the shot, it will be readily available (for better or worse) and the CDC has not issued any mandates saying the rest of us are required to get it. Freedom of choice is a marvelous thing.

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insane.
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I don't understand how a parent could consent to that.
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I don't understand how a parent could consent to that.
I agree. How they are able to is they have been brainwashed. They think they are doing something good, something worthwhile, something that might even benefit their child. No one else in their right mind would ever do the same.

I know someone who signed her baby up for an experimental vaccine for a type of meningitis. He is 7 now and still being potty trained. He has autism. He also had all the others on the schedule as well.

The fact that "openings still exist" tells me that maybe there aren't as many foolish people out there as they think there are. Let's hope not.

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You know what I think is crazy is, by the time the vaccines come out in mid-october, wont a good majority of people have already had swine flu?? So why would the vaccine even be needed?? I guess the drug companies dont want to think about that though!
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I have done some research and made the decision that I will be getting the vaccine, especially since I am pregnant and have asthma and will have a newborn throughout the flu season. DH will also be getting it too, but I'm undecided about ds.

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Interesting article from UK saying how some doctors will refuse swine flu jab because of concerns over inadequate safety trials, or because they feel that swine flu is too mild an illness to merit vaccination. Of course they will probably still offer it to patients.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ne-flu-vaccine

I aslo read in our local paper a couple of days ago that they have shut down the anti-viral distribution clinic here in Milton Keynes, as the number of swine flu cases has dropped dramatically in the past couple of weeks. Apparently the clinic will re-open when and if needed.
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I don't know if anything has already been posted about the beneficial effects of Vitamin D to prevent us from being prone to getting the flu in the first place, so I thought I'd present some relevant articles:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026921_Vi...swine_flu.html

http://www.homefirst.com/content/view/194/120/

http://www.naturalnews.com/026393_pa...influenza.html

Stay well, all, and keep your immune systems high!
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Please continue any discussion pertaining to treatment/prevention aside from vaccines in our Health & Healing forum.
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We do not intend to use the vax at all. However, dh is a firefighter/paramedic and we are afraid that if things get really crazy, he will be "required" to get it to be able to work, and he is not willing to stay out of work to avoid the vax, so. The kids and I are NOT getting it though, no way!

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Due to it's excessive content, this thread is being closed. A new thread has been opened for current discussions. Treatment/prevention other than vaccines should be continued in H&H.
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"you people North American, you have escaped a vaccination pandemic of 2009 with vaccines with MF59 or AS03 squalene because your country was already the consequences on the soldiers from the 1991 golf, however we Europeans have received the vaccine" pandemrix "Glaxo smith kline and it contained squalene AS03, a single dose of vaccine has just a recreate the disease of the soldiers of the war of golf on thousands of civilians" Europeans: children and young adults, as well as other well-known diseases during the Gulf war: narcolepsy, MS, ALS, Sjögren, wegener... for my part I have after Gulf war syndrome this cursed influenza vaccine: fatigue chroniqe very severe and muscle and joint pain, impotence, severe intestinal disorders, disorders of memory, understanding... just like your veteranssqualene is the cause of their disease, the evidence is made and laboratories called our "Gulf war syndrome" disease we are 5000 victims in europe in addition to the 124,000 veterans
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