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#1 of 8 Old 10-15-2009, 01:57 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Ok my sister who was Army and is now out, uses the military drs for herself and her kids because her UAV husband is in the Army stationed in Iraq. She went to her 6 month olds WBV yesterday and vaccines were brought up. She has been informed by my sister and I about the dangers of vaccine and she has not wanted to vax anymore. She told the dr that and he said that she would lose her insurance thru them. She got the vaccines but was able to refuse the flu vax. In the future what could she do to permanently refuse the vaccines without losing the insurance concidering she is no longer military and nor are her kids? Are they just using that as a scare tactic? What could she do if she does lose the insurance?

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That is just a scare tactic, My baby is unvaxed and I have tricare. No one has ever made that threat to me.
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Ok my sister who was Army and is now out, uses the military drs for herself and her kids because her UAV husband is in the Army stationed in Iraq. She went to her 6 month olds WBV yesterday and vaccines were brought up. She has been informed by my sister and I about the dangers of vaccine and she has not wanted to vax anymore. She told the dr that and he said that she would lose her insurance thru them. She got the vaccines but was able to refuse the flu vax. In the future what could she do to permanently refuse the vaccines without losing the insurance concidering she is no longer military and nor are her kids? Are they just using that as a scare tactic? What could she do if she does lose the insurance?
No. She is either entitled to the insurance or she is not. If she is still married to the UAV, she is still his dependent and still has an ID card. The children will ALWAYS be entitled to the benefits of a dependent, even if they divorce (she will not be, but the children will). One does not loose their status as a dependent by refusing vaccination.

I would file an ICE complaint against the Dr.
"Remember that you can file ICE reports online for ANY bad and good experiences you have at any military facility (military doctor, the commissary, exchange, etc.). They will always follow up on your report and try to remedy the situation. The ICE system is done through DOD and stands for Interactive Customer Evaluation."
http://ice.disa.mil/

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I just hate being condesended to. But I know my rights, and for whatever reason, in the experiences I've seen with me and my sister, they tend to not try to push around officers/officers wives as much as enlisted. My sister said they tried fear tactics all the time with her when her DH was enlisted, but never when he was an officer. And having been enlisted and an officer, I've seen that as well.


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Absolutely untrue. We haven't received vaccines for our kids in over 11 years, and we're still fully covered. I would also submit an ICE comment over the rude and unprofessional behavior of that HCP.
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Absolutely untrue. We haven't received vaccines for our kids in over 11 years, and we're still fully covered. I would also submit an ICE comment over the rude and unprofessional behavior of that HCP.
ITA. The only consequence of not vaxing is that her children will not be able to use the CDCs and CYS facilities (i.e. daycare and activities on post). Otherwise, she is well within her rights not to vax. I also agree that it is much easier for me to refuse vaxes as an officer's wife because the HCPs tend not to question my judgment as closely, sad to say. I come into the WBVs armed with facts and knowledgeable about my positions, which is what I recommend for any person dealing with military HCPs.

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That is an outright lie and the first time I hear that one. In CA they wanted me to sign the bad mommy form and I refused, nothing they can do about it. I was always armed with facts and even made that doc admit he hadn't read the package inserts...
In fact, the military docs cannot fire you like a civi ped can. They have to take you and htey have to accept that you don't vaccinate, period.
She has to file an ICE complaint, a letter of complaint to the main medical person of that base and one to the general/colonel of the post/base. Make a humongous stink as this is terrible what happened.
About the CDC: they do accept religious exemptions, not always, but it does work for many people.
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ummm....basically she was lied to. In this case I would strongly suggest she file a complaint because not only was she given wrong information but she was intimidated into consenting to medical treatment when it was clear she did not want it based on that misinformation (i.e lie).


BTW...myself and my sons are unvaxed AD dependents and we have NEVER been told that before.
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I would file a complaint if I was her and see about changing doctors. We don't even see military doctors anymore - even though they have never given me any problems in the past for not vaxxing.

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