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The first question in my mind about vaccines was when I was talking with a breeder about the puppy I was getting. I was visiting the litter but not yet picking one up. She requested that I not get the rabies and regular vaccines on the same visit, as too many shots can overwhelm their (a dog's) immune system. I said ok, and spoke to my vet about it, who happens to own the same breed I do. She agreed with the breeder, and was the first vet to talk about the unnecessary overvaccination that happens with adult animals.

When I became pregnant, I remembered this conversation, which made me wonder if it hurts a dog, what can it do to a baby?

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We are mammals also, are we not?
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I first started to question vaccines years and years before becoming a mother, mostly because my xh was a corporate attorney working for pharmaceutical companies. I was privy to LOTS of details on big pharma legal cases, including things the jury never got to hear and an insider's view on how the companies approach customer safety (hint: it's all about liability and zero about safety). I learned that A) you absolutely cannot trust information that comes from drug companies; B) most information doctors have about vaccines comes from drug companies, either directly or as influenced by the huge amount of funding they give medical schools; and C) profit is the first, second, and third priority to pharmaceutical companies. My well being is not on the list.

I coupled that perspective with the facts that A)vaccines are bread-and-butter profit-generators for pharmaceutical companies AND doctors and B) both are protected from liability for vaccine injury. I therefore began my research into vaccines from a place of deep skepticism. Nothing I've learned since then has influenced me in the other direction.

I am not globally anti-vaccine. I would certainly vaccinate myself or my child against a disease if I concluded or even suspected that the benefits would outweigh the risks. Given the time and place in which we live, no one vaccine has met that test.
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The very first thing that made me question mainstream views on vaccinations was the erythromycin (sp?) at the hospital that dd was supposed to receive at the hospital after she was born. When I found out what it was for, I decided she didn't need it. That led to me looking into the other things they offer at the hospital (hep b and vitamin k), and deciding that she didn't need those either. That led to me looking into everything else that was supposed to be injected into her body, and deciding that she didn't need any of that either.

After I made my decision, one of my closest friends told me that she would never vax her children before 2 years old, and she would re-evaluate from there. She works for a vaccine research and development company as an FDA compliance specialist, so that really firmed up my decision.
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The CP vaccine...I mean really? Are you kidding me?
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The nurse saying over and over how safe they were. I was leary to begin with. After my DD's 2 month shots she had this pathetic wail and would not look at me for 2 days. She even wailed in her sleep. It was nothing like her normal cry. When they said it was normal, I really started to question it. I figured it was from DTaP so I asked my DH if we could delay that one. I got her prevnar and meningococcal vaccines at her 4 month visit. I cried the entire time in the waiting room. They gave her a little vial of sugar water to dull the pain. When they told me thats what the do before circumicising boys, I nearly lost my mind. I never took her back to that clinic and I never will.

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My family history of autoimmune diseases + DD's speech regression & physical reaction to DTaP + tons and tons and tons of research + David Kirby's 'Evidence of Harm' + Jenny McCarthy's 'Mother Warriors' + my mom's stories of our reactions to vaccines + my ultra-awesome Crohn'slike problems currently & my lack of a decent immune system (I get Shingles yearly) + personal stories of friends, forum members, etc. = NO VACCINES!

DD1 was vaccinated until 3 years. DD2 was vaccinated until 9 months. DS has NEVER had any vaccine. He is, by far, the healthiest, most cognitive and advanced of all three.

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The fact that I was never given any information regarding vaccination. No inserts, no consent forms, nothing. I don't know if it was different because they were military docs, but even the ones we got didn't have signed consent forms. It was just "OK, here's what he's getting today!" or if he had a persistent cough or rash and I suggested pertussis or CP, "But he's been vaxed for that!" This continued even after we started declining them. It was obvious that they hadn't even looked in his record. They had no clue if he was allergic to anything or had had a bad reaction before. I might have assumed that they knew what they should or should not give him and let him have whatever. When I realized this, I started questioning BIG TIME. I did have to sign that ridiculous vaccine refusal form, but once I realized the implications of it and how much I actually disagreed with it, I snuck it out of his record at the next visit.

I'm sure he had the Hep B at birth because he was in the nursery with XH and he would have agreed to anything they said he needed or should have except circ. He also had his 2 month shots. He hasn't had anything since then and he won't. My future kids won't have anything.

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I must be an odd one, but I actually got my mistrust of vaccines from my mother. That is, I have always had it.

My mom is older than most of the moms of my generation - she had me at age 40 (which is common now, but quite rare for 1971 when I was born.)

Perhaps due to her age, but she had more of naturalistic/common sense way of mothering. She breastfed (and extended breastfed) at a time when formula was all the rage. She read somewhere about the immunities in breastmilk and that was enough for her to realize that there must be a reason mothers make milk for their babies.

About vaccines, she always told me from a young age about her distrust of them. She always thought that it seemed wrong to inject diseases into little babies. My sister (born in 1962) was completely unvaccinated and my mother even told the school it was against her religion (which wasn't exactly true - my mother did study to be a Jehovah's witness at one point, so I am not sure if that contributed at all to her decision.) To this day, my sister is the only one of her peers that does not have a smallpox vaccine scar on her arm, she she was of that generation.

My sister caught mumps as a child and my mother also came down with it at age 38. She said it was no big deal. Also, when she was a child, my mother's siblings all had the measles at the same time. My mother waited on them while they were sick, and she was the only one not to get the measles. She always wondered if she had natural immunity? Again, as someone who lived through the measles, pre-vaccine, it was not a big deal, just a matter of life. like chicken pox was to my generation as children.

With me, she withheld vaccines when I was a baby. I ended up getting a few for school, but because it was delayed I think I got far less. My shot record only had a few shots on it.

When I was in my early 20's, I had a boyfriend who caught the measles. He was sick for about a week, then recovered. The doc just said his vaccine immunity must have waned, told him to rest, and that was it. No media reporting of "outbreaks" like they do now. (Amazing how things have changed since 1994?!)

Fast forward to when I became a parent and I started researching vaccines. I had this mistrust already from my mom's common sense and I started hearing more about the autism link, which made perfect sense to me. The more I read, the more about other things started to make sense: allergies, SIDS, etc. The way they viciously attack anyone who questions vaccine safety just makes me more convinced. If vaccines were so great, they would not have to sell them so hard.

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Finding out that the hepatitis vaccine is routinely recommended for day-old babies.... seriously?
Yep. And then talking to my mom about how measles, mumps and rubella were childhood diseases in her generation considered no more threatening than CP in ours.

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VPD and all childhood diseases are also part of children's rhymes and stories. Ever read Little Women or sung all verses of "Pop Goes The Weasel"?

Jimmy's got the whooping cough
And Timmy's got the measles
That's the way the story goes
Pop! goes the weasel.
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For me, it was hearing conflicting information on whether or not vaccines contained mercury. Some sources said vaccines contained mercury; others claimed they did not.

To make matters worse, I interviewed 4 different pediatricians within the same group, and all of them told me something very different regarding mercury in vaccines. One laughed and said mercury in vaccines is a myth...that there's never been mercury in vaccines. Another said there was mercury in vaccines, and recommended that we research all vaccine ingredients. Another said there used to be mercury in vaccines, but it had since all been removed from every vaccine. Yet another said the amount of mercury contained in vaccines was minute and harmless.

There was no truth found through interviewing these doctors, except that doctors operate on assumptions and opinions, just like everyone else.

After these interviews, I decided to delay vaccinations until I knew MUCH more. (We're still delaying, and it's been 4 years. )

What about you? Was there one piece of information that perked up your ears and got you really thinking about vaccine safety...ultimately leading to your not vaccinating or delay/selectively vaccinating?

Viera Schneibner's book on Cotdeath. I read it as a kid and it opened my eyes. The BS was utterly transparent to me. My mom tried to give me some mainstream information to 'balance me out.' It didn't work. My BS antennae was crying in agony.

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For me it was the difference in the current schedule and the schedule from 1984 (when I was a kid) then I looked at 1974 which has almost nothing, or what it does have they don't do anymore, like the scarring TB tests. It made me think, "why is the vax schedule blowing up like this? what are all these? How did we decide that everyone in gets these?

It made me start looking into them all and decide none of them were for me.

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After I challenged my thinking regarding childbirth I pretty much started questioning anything the medical model recommended.
This was #1 for me!

#2 was hearing about the horrible dreaded disease of Chicken Pox and how over-the-top the public health nurses were in describing its ilks. I felt lucky to have direct personal history and observation of how it affects most people. I started wondering if parents 25 years in the future will be left to rely on public health's spin on Chicken Pox like I was relying on their spin on measles and other diseases.

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all of the hardball tactics used to get parents to vaccinate. . . I started asking myself, why are they going to all of this trouble? Why do they resent parents asking questions and exercising some autonomy in their medical decisions? What are they trying to protect?
This was #3 hot on the heels of the other two.

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I will start this off by saying I am not necessarily anti-vaccine, but certainly a big vaccine questioner and I am trying to educate myself more on the topic.

What started this process was the HPV vax. I will try to make a long story short, but I got my sex ed in a Christian school... aka great sex ed program but heavy on how STDs can kill you lol. We were taught time and time again that HPV could lead to cervical cancer in school and then I had people outside of a Christian environment basically tell me that was "bull-poop" and more of that Christian fear-mongering. Who can blame them... we Christians can be all about the fire and brimstone sometimes! Anyways, all of the sudden this HPV vaccine comes on the market and THEN people start recognizing that HPV leads to cervical cancer and it is all over the media. One minute no one believes there is a connection, and the next minute a vaccine has arrived and everyone thinks we all should get it. It completely creeped me out how quickly people changed their minds... and how they were rushing eight year old girls to the doctors office, and how I was suddenly being pushed by all my university docs to get it. I don't know how many times I explained to them that I had been with one man, and one man only, and if he had HPV, I probably already had it and there was no point in my getting vaccinated.... and they still kept pushing.

Then I heard people were getting kids vaccinated for chicken pox. Um, hello? Chicken Pox? I know I was one of the lucky few whose chicken pox consisted of like 6 spots and some flu-like symptoms that lasted a week or so... but no one I know had horrible chicken pox. We had pox parties lol. Why spend a bunch of money on a vaccine for a sickness that isn't a big deal for most people? I just didn't get it.
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for me, it was when I learned how they were made. When I found out they were created using a cell line spawned from another human (from a cell line spawned by an aborted fetus). I had no idea they used another human's cell in the development. I really knew absolutely nothing about them. I had just blindly accepted that it was good to do, and only backwards idiots didn't... Then when I learned what the ingredients were, I knew they were toxic. The chemicals in them are not approved for ingestion, yet they are ok to inject straight into someone's vein? Makes no sense to me. and now they are using chicken eggs, and then insect eggs and then tobacco plants.... How people can think they are safe at all is beyond me... I no longer blindly follow anything, and have moved away from western medicine entirely. I am very happy I had a child so that I could learn all these things and wake up! excellent thread topic btw! I answered first now going to read...

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I think I must be an odd one also. I am still in the research stage. No vaxes for our LO so far. But I doubt that I would have even thought much about them much less started to question if it had not been for my husband. He is the one that didn't want any given to our LO. He wasn't at all pushy about it but he did encourage me to start researching and the more I'm learning the more horrified I get. I've been sharing with my parents and grandmother and they are encouraging me to wait to even think about vaxing and find out more. And you can't tell me they aren't old enough to remember these diseases! My parents are in their 70's and my grandmother is 94.
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I had a really cool friend in Costa Rica, and one day she told me that her kids were unvaccinated. I had never heard of anyone not vaccinating before and it wasn't until years later that it became an issue for me, but she planted the seed. So originally I was concerned about Autism, thinking that was the only problem with vaccines. I started researching that and then whoa...I learned so much about the plethora of problems with vaccines.

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I got a Heb B shot a few years before DS was born, read the pkg insert and was like 'what's thimerisol'? Since then I've been astonished by the obfuscations and fact dodging surrounding this!

Then my son had a common reaction to DTaP, and while researching the reaction on PubMed, I was amazed at how little vax research bears the hallmarks of 'good research' (more than one author, testable hypothosis, etc)

Finally, being on mama boards and seeing that it is not the norm for children to get sick veeeery rarely, but it is the norm for most unvaccinated children.
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good question.

I suppose I always knew not to. I very vividly remember getting the polio vaccine and losing the use of my legs soon after-I was two at the time. I was paralyzed only for a short time but I never will forget going to the doc, and not feeling right and hours later not even being able to stand. The doc's thought I'd never walk again and said it was a very 'rare' side effect. However, i did walk again but ever since then I have weird nerve pain in my legs so bad that I can't have them rubbed. (massage school was a trip)When I became pregnant with our first I was already way deep in the midwifery/natural healing bit and it all just followed suit.

i haven't vaccinated any of my children and I won't. period.
I haven't finished reading the rest of this thread but I have to ask you this. Did you get the OPV or IPV? My younger brother had the exact same reaction after getting his OPV. He stopped walking and refused to get up. It was temporary and lasted only for a few hours but my parents were so scared. They even made him sit at the playground crosslegged hoping he would see the other kids running around him and start walking!

I started doubting vaccines after my child received all of the recommended shots upto six months. I happened to ask the pedi what are these shots and he just casually shrugged his shoulder and said the usual....diphtheria, polio etc etc. I was shocked by his callous attitude. Of course I should have done my research earlier too but I used to blindly trust the doctors. It occurred to me that I have handed over my precious bundle to this pedi who doesn't even feel it's important to tell me what vaccines he is administering to my baby! That was it. And I started reading about vaccines and never stopped since. Although I did stop vaccinating.
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When I brought my youngest daughter who is underweight to the doctor, signed a form for a vaccine they were testing I think it was for meningitis, and hours later we had to bring her to emerge because she was very lethargic and fevered, she was x-rayed and observed, but we were told it couldn't have been from the vaccine, it had to have been a coincidence... yeah right.
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I first started doubting vaccines when I found out when pre-registering for my hospital stay (for labor/delivery) that they wanted me to consent to a Hep B vaccine the moment she was born. I declined and started doing mega research then. The more I read, the more anti-vaccine I become. Which is saying a lot, because I used to be totally PRO-vaccine. I just didn't *know*.

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I knew even before conceiving that I didn't want to put my child at risk and in line for the same illnesses that I have. I truly believe these illnesses have been caused by vaccines. I have rheumatoid arthritis which started as juvenile rheumatoid arthritis as an infant and I'm pretty much allergic to every known allergen which causes asthma and I'm allergic to so many foods I can't even keep track anymore.

I was not going to put DD in that position. And I did doubt our decision a little bit in the beginning but she is the healthiest little girl so I'm quite comfortable with not vaxing and if we have more children they're not getting vaxed either and I won't have any more doubts either!

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