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DH HAS to get the live virus tommmrow night he found out this afternoon, NEED detox info, what about the baking soda one?? HELP!!

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Question if some h1n1 (swine flu) virus can damage people's lungs so bad even though they are supposedly healthy before ? That a bit confuses me and I'm like sigh there are so many people smoking continously even my cousin who has asthma smokes, my two neighbors when they get bronchitis /pnemonia they still smoke but they get better from the pnemonia . One has a clot in her lung and the other has emphsyma . They get vaxed for pnemonia but still end up with it .

So I'm wondering what the complication is because a few people with asthma landed in the hospital on breathing treatments but to have it so severe that it causes lung damage after 2 days of having it ?

I don't get it ? When people are surrounded by this ciggy smoke junk or smoking filling their lungs up with black tar ( no offense to others who end up smoking) I just seen so many of people I knew who ended up on oxygen tank from smoking but still smoke .

Also, supposedly one of the clinics told my neighbor jan that she was Too old for the H1n1 Vax and I wouldn't think she's older than my stepfather but she must be because he ended up getting the H1n1 Vax. He's soon to be 70.
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I'm also interested in detox info as my husband has to get the vaccine tonight (military.) so far I've been pumping him full of vitamins and supplements listed on this page:
http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.c...ine-video.html


but what I'm wondering is what if he gets the nasal mist? Hes pretty sure thats what he's going to be getting. He can't exactly put a cold compress on that.

Which is worse for him, the mist or the shot?

We have a 7 month old baby, I thought I read somewhere that the mist will shed the live virus for weeks, I don't want him to get sick!
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I'm also interested in detox info as my husband has to get the vaccine tonight (military.) so far I've been pumping him full of vitamins and supplements listed on this page:
http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.c...ine-video.html


but what I'm wondering is what if he gets the nasal mist? Hes pretty sure thats what he's going to be getting. He can't exactly put a cold compress on that.

Which is worse for him, the mist or the shot?

We have a 7 month old baby, I thought I read somewhere that the mist will shed the live virus for weeks, I don't want him to get sick!
Yes, the mist sheds. I believe the chances are 1-3% that it'll get passed on? And what gets passed on is the "milder" attenuated form of the virus. do you have a neti pot? I'd neti or saline mist a whole lot after the nasal mist to try and move it on out. Have him blow his nose as soon as he gets the shot.... Also, if you (assuming you're breastfeeding) can eat a lot of (raw) garlic and get a fair amount of vitamin A, C, and D in your diet, it can help your baby deal with whatever might be coming at her (and help you deal, too). Have him keep his face off the baby (and you) for a couple weeks...

you can take raw garlic by cutting up a clove into pill-sized pieces and swallow it like pills. also, some people prefer to make a garlic tea (crush the garlic and pour hot water over it - steep for 30 minutes - add honey and lemon to taste) or just crush garlic and put it in a spoon full of honey...

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I'm also interested in detox info as my husband has to get the vaccine tonight (military.) so far I've been pumping him full of vitamins and supplements listed on this page:
http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.c...ine-video.html


but what I'm wondering is what if he gets the nasal mist? Hes pretty sure thats what he's going to be getting. He can't exactly put a cold compress on that.

Which is worse for him, the mist or the shot?

We have a 7 month old baby, I thought I read somewhere that the mist will shed the live virus for weeks, I don't want him to get sick!
Yes, the mist can shed for weeks. Give you and your baby Vit C in the form of sodium ascorbate. High quality fish oil. Eat as many greens as you can.

I am confused and appalled that the military is STILL forcing this vax. H1n1 is a false pandemic, and people need to get over it!

I am so sorry you are dealing with this!

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The riverstone clinic is losing employers because they are refusing to get the H1n1 shot at the clinic .

They saw they were doing that in Ny and massachutes but stopped because of the legal suits .

The people there were actually cheerng on those people and knew of law suits but I guess if they want to lose employers it's their choice.

I just wonder what happens when the shot turns on them later .
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Question if some h1n1 (swine flu) virus can damage people's lungs so bad even though they are supposedly healthy before ?
YES!!! My dd got it in October. NEVER EVER sick- she MAYBE gets a stomach bug when it goes around school once a year or so. She has been so sick with respiratory problems ever since then, it is unbelievable. She'll be nine in a week, and before this fall, she has had abx exactly twice in her life, once for a bad UTI when she was 7 and once for a bad ear infection when she was three. Since October, they have used two different antibiotics to try to get rid of her pneumonia, which was a secondary complication of the h1n1, also she is getting regular albuterol breathing treatments, on an inhaled steriod inhaler, and had a round of oral steroids to help reduce the swelling in her airways.

My son also had it the same time she did and also is not 100% well either. He also contracted pneumonia as a secondary infection, is still coughing despite a course of oral steroids, abx, albuterol and inhaled steroids.

Neither had asthma beforehand, though my son does have a history of having things go right to his lungs, he had a course of oral steroids a few years ago to help him get rid of a nasty junky cough. I am making appts with an allergy/asthma specialist for both of them, to consider if this illness induced asthma in them. Neither of them got the vaccine, since it wasn't available yet when they got it. They both started with it the second week of October.

I am hoping that they will still make a full recovery, but it is quite possible that they will have lifelong repercussions from having this flu.
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That's terrible . What name of antibiotics were they on at the time of the pnemonia ? I had type A flu was put on Tami flu in april . I ended up with bronchospasms had breathing treatment and had an albulterol inhaler took that for up to 6 wks before it started to make throat sore and voice very hoarse as if gone .

I was also prescribed oral steriods and inhaled steriods but didn't take them because I didn't really trust them.

I was also prescribed antibiotics as amoxicillin, cipro, and zithromax . Zithromax worked the best
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I certainly trusted my childrens inability to breath properly much less than well tested drugs to allow their airways to open enough to get a decent breath in their lungs without a ton of irritation and coughing.
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Wait, so apparently you had these same complications, yet aren't sure if this lung damage is possible in healthy people? Were you not healthy to begin with? Do you have chronic illness?
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I don't trust doctors that much I actually asked for zithromax the first time because I'm resistant to amoxicillin but they had that and I didn't get on cipro until 2 wks after the amoxicillin. The one doctor said that cipro would do better but then it did for a bit but then right as soon as I got on zithromax I was better .

Doctors first told me I had bronchitis , sinus infections , and then I even went to a Easter Egg hunt for my son when I wasn't feeling well just developed a fever . Ended up with a dx of the type A flu the next day .

Mom was like your not coughing but had a severe runny nose ,fever that was in the 102 range . I did have body aches and some clearing of the throat and spasms in my back from bronchospasms.

I usually get sick alot during the winter time starting from Oct til March mostly or the beginning of april . Don't know why but then now even though I been around sick people I haven't really gotten sick this winter maybe it's because when brendan is playing out in the snow and it's warm enough to do so they end up having the sun on me so maybe I'm getting my vit d from the sun more than I used to .

I also stopped my pop drinking and don't eat as much cookies as I used too . I take vitamins then extra vitamins .

I did take this flu and cold prevention rubbing oil a couple times this fall it's frankincense and myrrh rubbing oil that you put some drops on your hands the palm part then rub it on your feet .

I also had x rays on my lungs and they say they look fine but I'm talking about the damage to the lungs so badly that it gives people brain damage, have to be in a induced coma, or have oxygen around with them. I even asked for asthma test and it came out normally . I have gerd reflux issues so when I did end up with cough from bronchitis at the before time my cough would make a whistling noise .

I know it can affect lungs but how can even with those with asthma vs a healthy person who has no lung issues end up with a worse outcome ?

Also the year before I ended up with Type A flu we had major sickness throw ups , diherea , body aches, fatigue and it affected my thyroid levels big time!!!!!!!!! With all that throwing up and having diherea my thyroid meds were not getting into my body even though I was taking them. I was like sick for a week I think while brendan was sick for 5 days .

Believe me that sickness was even way worse than that type A flu I had believe me I was begging my mom to ask my brother to watch brendan since he was so engertic after he was better . I didn't even go to the doctor except to brendan's pediatric doctor and the cab driver could tell I looked Horrible !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't seem to think I needed to go to the doctor but did after I started to feel better ended up telling them of my episode so they had my levels drawn that's when they found out my tsh levels were 250 talk about skyrocketing .
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Is there an easy way for me to tell if either shot contained thimerosal?

This package insert says the the one dose h1n1 vaccine does not contain mercury but the two dose version does.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM182404.pdf

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Good one to share!

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Fascinating Osscillium was developed in 1989 in Europe for a H1n1 virus so that makes it be that the H1n1 has actually been around for 20 yrs and all of a sudden 20 yrs later it's fear time ? check out www.cureguide.com or even look at osscillium not sure if I spell it correctly .
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Wow, there's so much different info out there that I'm overwhelmed!

DD's (6 mos) pediatrician is recommending she get both the seasonal flu shot and the H1N1 shot. She's had all her other vaccinations, but I am hesitant to get her these shots. I got them both myself, since at the time she was too young for the flu shots, and the doctor told me the antibodies would be passed along to her through my breast milk. I hope that is good enough protection against these flus.

For anyone who did get the flu shots for their young babies, were there any adverse reactions?

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This is interesting:
http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2...y-say-but.html

blog by Meryl Nass, M.D.

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Real data is important, and anecdotes are just anecdotal. Yet during the past 3 weeks I have been personally involved with 3 events that have me concerned. I am a doctor on an island of 13,000 people, where hundreds received swine flu vaccine.
and then she goes on to talk about the 3 possible reactions--considering that the number of people getting vaccines is in the hundreds, 3 reactions seems high to me.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9550082

story about Poland refusing the vaccine...

what is odd is that the story, although critical of Poland, doesn't say that swine flu was worse in Poland without the vaccine than it was elsewhere with the vaccine. That would be the obvious point to make, don't you think?
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Is there a possiblity that swine flu vaxes cause mood swings ? Mom had hers 2 1/2 wks ago and she's usually so grouchy but she has increased her grouchiness so severely that she won't even talk to me and hangs up on me .
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Is there a possiblity that swine flu vaxes cause mood swings ? Mom had hers 2 1/2 wks ago and she's usually so grouchy but she has increased her grouchiness so severely that she won't even talk to me and hangs up on me .
It could be that your mom is so grumpy and hangs up on you because you two have very different points of view on the H1N1 vaccine.
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Is there a possiblity that swine flu vaxes cause mood swings ? Mom had hers 2 1/2 wks ago and she's usually so grouchy but she has increased her grouchiness so severely that she won't even talk to me and hangs up on me .
well this might really be a stretch here, but it's possible that the heavy metals in the vaccine could be causing such symptoms. Like if she got the version with mercury and is mercury toxic, irritability and emotional instability are some of the symptoms.
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html
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I don't know because supposedly she was told that it was preservative free so she assumed no mercury . She said they were just needles already filled. She kept on saying I can take you to get H1n1 vax at the clinic I said No . I shared my opinion with her she said that's my choice but everytime Brendan ends up with a fever she goes he could have had the flu that you could have prevented .

That's just like saying every shortness of breath caused by hiatal hernia could be mistaken for flu or maybe not .

I get gas bubbles in my chest makes me go what if I'm having it in my lungs because sometimes my tummy moves up into my chest area .

So i end up trying to listen to both of them going is this lung or tummy issue . Then when my tummy trouble occurs it's my thyroid issues .

My thyroid issues even have muscle aches too .

I know mom don't agree with me not getting the vax for me or brendan because 1. She thinks the flu is more dangerous than the vax 2. She thinks well if a vax is able to get out there it must be safe . 3. We are not protecting ourselves or the public by not getting the vax 4 . She thinks the vax is effective because it says its been effective.
5. She has had No dangerous side effects so she's like what's the big deal of Not getting it ?

but like I said she is usually a grouch but this time she even more so angry . That it is annoying the daylights out of me.
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Soooo... maybe my math's off here, but 11,160 out of 55 million people is somewhere around .02%? And that's with their handy-dandy specially "adjusted" numbers that include some 700-some child deaths that were unaccounted for? And considering there were only some 12,000 deaths in the whole WORLD according to the WHO not that long ago (considering these things, I'm guessing it's less than that % of death rate, no?)

And also, why is 20% a "very successful" vaccination program considering this was supposed to be the scary pandemic flu that was going to kill millions of people? I would think they'd want to have a much higher vaccination rate than that to call it "good".

Although, I have to admit, it's a pretty darn high vaccination rate when you realize that most people could look around and see that the majority of people who got sick *didn't* end up in the hospital, and that it was far less deaths than the seasonal flu... and the fact that it had pretty clearly peaked by the time the vaccine was available to the general public...

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For the military mamas: if you dont want your dh to get the mist you can go off base to get the shot instead. It is allowed to do that" my dh did it with both the flu und swine flu shot. We picked the least offensive brand and thus avoided the mists. There is unfortunately no way around the swine flu vaccine for active duty. It stinks and is ridic but nothing we can do.
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I shared my opinion with her she said that's my choice but everytime Brendan ends up with a fever she goes he could have had the flu that you could have prevented .

but like I said she is usually a grouch but this time she even more so angry . That it is annoying the daylights out of me.
Wow, talk about a guilt trip! That's terrible, I'm sorry she said that to you. You could say the same to her when down the road she gets some sort of illness like Alzheimer's caused by the stuff in the vaccines that she could have prevented by not getting the shots. I'd be so mad if my mom said that to me about my son. As far as I know, vaccinated people still get sick if not more often than non-vaccinated, so its totally unfair for her to blame a flu on the lack of.
And as some people have quoted around here from someone, I'd rather treat a sick child than damage a healthy one. Does she even know what's in those vaccines? Its not pretty. If she wants to trust that everything that comes out on the market is safe, fine. But she doesn't have the right to guilt trip you about it.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9550082

story about Poland refusing the vaccine...

what is odd is that the story, although critical of Poland, doesn't say that swine flu was worse in Poland without the vaccine than it was elsewhere with the vaccine. That would be the obvious point to make, don't you think?


Yeah, good point. I bet Poland's people are healthier (because of not having had the vaccine) than the rest of the world. That will probably be brought to light in a few years when the true effects of the vaccine's side effects are known.

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I really liked this:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027956_H1N1_vaccine_CDC.html

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But here's the part you're NOT being told.

The CDC statistics lie by omission. They do not reveal the single most important piece of information about H1N1 vaccines: How many of the people who died from the swine flu had already been vaccinated?

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THANKS for the recent links to articles. I found the one about Poland very interesting... And thought-provoking. This latest one is very good also. Really makes you think. Through all of the hype back in October, I just kept thinking I couldn't wait to see how this all shakes down.
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and then she goes on to talk about the 3 possible reactions--considering that the number of people getting vaccines is in the hundreds, 3 reactions seems high to me.
AnnieA, did you see this? One of the three reactions that she witnessed personally is the onset of facial tics in a recently vaccinated person.
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Thanks and I wonder if with all people ended up being vaxed like because right now there is a 3 wk bug going aroud here and I'm just wondering if this bug is actually h1n1 because many kids had nasal mist at the shrine, at the mall but now they will be acting like oh it's a virus that will go away when it's actually could really be h1n1 .

Isn't that how it is maybe when kids croup it's actually pertusiss you know ?

Also my mom don't listen nor does she believe what is in those vaxes she is now starting too about formalhyde but she says formalhyde is in everything!
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