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Post here. This is the official MDC 2009 H1N1 thread.
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Wait a second... Something doesn't look right here...

Oh, that's right! It's 2010!



Thanks for starting a new thread.

Here's the latest from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...0/WhoLab51.htm

And Google flu trends:

http://www.google.org/flutrends/us/
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It's 2010, but "the flu" is still "2009 H1N1". Lol.

What's interesting is that fluview reports that only 3.9% of the "influenza like illness" samples are testing positive for any flu
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/
(down from 50% at the height of the season), but look at this chart:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...10/bigpi51.htm

What is causing all those deaths now?
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What is causing all those deaths now?
Well, the chart is for pneumonia and influenza. They always lump these together -- so you've got people dying of pneumonia who never had the flu. That is part of why people don't trust the "36,000 per year" flu number. Because they lump pneumonia in there also.

Edited to say: Ah, also -- that chart is from week ending 12/12 when the rest of the info is week ending 12/26. That two week difference may have something to do with it also.
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Geez what a slacker I am this month - thanks for getting the new discussion started!

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Edited to say: Ah, also -- that chart is from week ending 12/12 when the rest of the info is week ending 12/26. That two week difference may have something to do with it also.
Could that be a typo? It reports through week 50, which should have ended 12/19?
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I just stumbled upon this article and thought it was interesting. Seems like alot of people in alot of places didn't buy into the fear mongering. There is quite the vaccine surplus out there.




http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/...ource=r_health
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Here is an evaluation of the H1N1 child mortality in the U.S. just posted on insidevaccines.

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Live births in 2007: 4,317,000, minus 29,000 infant deaths, gives us a starting number of 4,288,000. The number of births has been going up every year for the last few years, so if we assume the same number in 2008 we are erring on the side of caution. We’ve got a total of roughly 8,576,000 children in the U.S. under the age of two. Forty-two of those children died this year as a result of H1N1, according to the CDC. This means that one child out of every 204,190 died from 2009 H1N1 according to the reported number of cases.
I wonder how much time, effort and money was spent on vaccinating children under the age of two with this vaccine. And they aren't done--it is still being pushed. Where I live, most of the children had already had the influenza, of whatever variety, before they held the vaccine clinics.
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If anyone was made to have the h1n1 shot and they didn't want to . Would it be better to detox before and afterwards ?

If someone wanted to detox before and after a h1n1 shot what would they need to do ?

Would baking soda detox remove the before toxins and be able to remove the after ?

Since my cousin is in airforce so I'm questioning that for him .
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I have a question about the site someone posted in Dec

http://www.whyshouldi.ca/

I entered 0 people in the morning at my house, 0 people on my commute and 0 people at school because I attend college at home. However, I do see 2 people in the evening. How did it come up with 215 potential contacts in 24 hours?

Anyone know the algorithm they use?
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Here is an evaluation of the H1N1 child mortality in the U.S. just posted on insidevaccines.



I wonder how much time, effort and money was spent on vaccinating children under the age of two with this vaccine. And they aren't done--it is still being pushed. Where I live, most of the children had already had the influenza, of whatever variety, before they held the vaccine clinics.
I haven't looked at this more closely yet, but in the statistics for children who died from the flu, do they mention whether the child had been vaccinated?

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I haven't looked at this more closely yet, but in the statistics for children who died from the flu, do they mention whether the child had been vaccinated?
No. There's no data out anywhere yet indicating whether or not the vaccine's effective or to what extent. And usually, there is by this time in the flu season.
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I have a question about the site someone posted in Dec

http://www.whyshouldi.ca/

I entered 0 people in the morning at my house, 0 people on my commute and 0 people at school because I attend college at home. However, I do see 2 people in the evening. How did it come up with 215 potential contacts in 24 hours?

Anyone know the algorithm they use?
A more interesting question is, does the scientific evidence indicate that flu vaccines prevent flu transmission?
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I just stumbled upon this article and thought it was interesting. Seems like alot of people in alot of places didn't buy into the fear mongering. There is quite the vaccine surplus out there.




http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/...ource=r_health

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Umm... the CDC is claiming 10,000... so does that mean there's only been 2,200 in the rest of the world? And if so... how is this not screaming to the CDC (uh, or the general population) that the US is handling the situation VERY wrong?

I mean, from that link, CHINA (with it's some, 2 BILLION citizens?) claims only 659 swine flu deaths in 2009... maybe something's not adding up here...

So, is it the CDC's fuzzy numbers or is it that Americans are in such poor health or, or, or...

And why is this not SHOCKING to the rest of the population?


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I just stumbled upon this article and thought it was interesting. Seems like alot of people in alot of places didn't buy into the fear mongering. There is quite the vaccine surplus out there.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/...ource=r_health
With all the hype and the push for everyone to get vaccinated I was surprised to discover how low the numbers of vaccinated were. Canada is one of the highest with 32% of the population vaccinated. No wonder there is a huge surplus.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...231?hub=Health

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No. There's no data out anywhere yet indicating whether or not the vaccine's effective or to what extent. And usually, there is by this time in the flu season.
With blood tests, can they tell the difference between a vaccinated person and a person who got the flu? And a person who is in both categories?

And do you know how they usually decide whether someone has had the flu? Is it just symptoms, or is it a blood test (or something else)? It does seem like a lot of flu this year was mild, wouldn't that make it difficult to get accurate information just based on patient recall?
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With blood tests, can they tell the difference between a vaccinated person and a person who got the flu? And a person who is in both categories?

And do you know how they usually decide whether someone has had the flu? Is it just symptoms, or is it a blood test (or something else)? It does seem like a lot of flu this year was mild, wouldn't that make it difficult to get accurate information just based on patient recall?
They have a nasal swab test they can do to confirm the flu. If there's a blood test, it's not commonly used.
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They have a nasal swab test they can do to confirm the flu. If there's a blood test, it's not commonly used.
When you're sick? I was thinking about how they figuring out statistics at the end of the season, essentially to tally the score, how did the vaccine do, how many people _really_ got the new flu this year, like that.
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When you're sick? I was thinking about how they figuring out statistics at the end of the season, essentially to tally the score, how did the vaccine do, how many people _really_ got the new flu this year, like that.
For vaccine effectiveness, stuff like this:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5844a5.htm

(they had a similar report out by early summer...this was just a double check)

For "how many people REALLY caught the flu?", all we have are weak methods of estimation for the most part. Really weak. Weak enough to where it's not a lot better than a wild guess.
The most solid data would be a study looking at a rise in antibodies to flu among unvaccinated people between mid summer and the end of the season. That could be extrapolated to our 300 million population for an approximate case count.
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The most solid data would be a study looking at a rise in antibodies to flu among unvaccinated people between mid summer and the end of the season. That could be extrapolated to our 300 million population for an approximate case count.
Will they do this?

The problem they might have if they did...one result would be an estimate of the number of unvaccinated people who had the flu and survived in good order. Obviously, they wouldn't be able to do antibody tests on anyone who died for any reason.
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ANyone have a link or info on still births and the vax. I think I have seen two myself last month within a week or so of each other. Would love more solid links on it please.

oh and info on detox, dh is being forced to get it next week , what can he do.

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French move fuels fears for flu vaccine sales



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Sales of H1N1 vaccines have been a windfall for drugmakers since mid-2009 as governments have built up stockpiles, with Glaxo expected to be the single biggest beneficiary with anticipated sales of some $3.5 billion by the end of the first quarter of 2010, according to industry analysts.

Sanofi and Novartis have been forecast to book around $1 billion and $600 million apiece.

The latest cancellations in Europe could trim those numbers, although there is still outstanding demand from other parts of the world.
I'm just grateful this appears to have fizzled out and maybe there aren't quite as many brainwashed people out there as I previously thought. I just can't get over those numbers though. That's quite a profit.

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ANyone have a link or info on still births and the vax.
There isn't any evidence of an increase, but there's not much evidence, period.

Here's a study that goes over what evidence exists :
http://www.i-lumens.com/DOCUMENTS/VA...CET%202008.pdf

(this is the study the CDC cites to say "there is no evidence vaxing pregnant women is associated with anything bad")

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No serious adverse eff ects of infl uenza immunisation
in pregnancy have been reported in the few published
studies on vaccine safety. There are, however, limited
data on safety in the fi rst trimester.

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Consideration should be given to developing
mechanisms for following up pregnancy outcomes after
maternal immunisation to augment passive surveillance,
particularly if national recommendations are broadened
for this group
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Ok...so let's hop over to the new analysis of the safety of the pandemic vax:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5848a4.htm

So, they're analysing info from VAERS and the VSD.

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The remaining 173 nonfatal serious adverse events after vaccination with H1N1 vaccines are under chart review. These reports fall into the following diagnostic categories: neurologic or muscular condition other than Guillain-Barré syndrome (49 [28%]); pneumonia or influenza-like illness (27 [16%]); other noninfectious conditions, including multiple medical symptoms (19 [11%]); respiratory or ear, nose, and throat condition (17 [10%]); allergic conditions other than anaphylaxis (16 [9%]); pregnancy complications** (15 [9%]); other infectious symptoms (10 [6%]); gastrointestinal (eight [5%]); cardiovascular (six [3%]); and psychiatric (six [3%]). Each category includes a variety of diagnoses; no patterns were identified.
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So what do they say the VSD says about "pregnancy complications"?

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VSD is a collaboration between CDC and eight managed-care organizations with a total of 9.5 million members, which utilizes administrative data and electronic medical records to collect information on vaccinations and health-care encounters to monitor vaccine safety. VSD is monitoring H1N1 vaccine safety using historical and other appropriate comparison groups, with weekly data analyses (4). As of November 21, 438,376 doses of H1N1 vaccines (323,345 MIV and 115,031 LAMV) had been administered to patients under VSD surveillance. During October 1--November 21, no cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome and one case of anaphylaxis were observed among vaccinated persons in VSD. In addition, VSD has detected no increase in rates for other monitored conditions: demyelinating disease, peripheral nervous system disease, seizure, encephalomyelitis, Bell's palsy, other cranial nerve disorders, ataxia, allergic reactions, and myocarditis. VSD will continue H1N1 vaccine safety monitoring throughout the vaccination campaign.
They're not monitoring pregnancy complications.


So...

Huh.
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It sounds to me as though they decided in advance that there weren't going to be any pregnancy complications.
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It sounds to me as though they decided in advance that there weren't going to be any pregnancy complications.
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Umm... the CDC is claiming 10,000... so does that mean there's only been 2,200 in the rest of the world? And if so... how is this not screaming to the CDC (uh, or the general population) that the US is handling the situation VERY wrong?
Yeah - the WHO statistics compile individual countries and the WHO total shot way up the moment the CDC submitted their new, um, 'estimates'.

It would seem to me, that even if people thought the new overall estimate was possible - how could anyone buy that the CDC also estimated that there have been four times the number of pediatric deaths than have been reported? I mean, they are asking people to believe that 800 kids have unexpectedly and tragically died of swine flu and somehow, these deaths were not officially reported to the CDC. Because NO one notices when a child dies, the CDC has to really up those numbers to reflect reality...good grief!
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It sounds to me as though they decided in advance that there weren't going to be any pregnancy complications.
And that pregnant women are mere pawns on which to be experimented...

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Alright I need help from the gurus on vaccines. I've done a couple of quick google searches but nothing popped out.

On Dec. 15, DSS 9 came home for his weekly visit. DH and I noticed throughout the evening that he was making this wheeze/cough noise periodically. We occasionally asked him to stop making the noise and at one point, I asked him why he was making the noise. He said it helped him breathe better? We were decorating the christmas tree so DH and I thought maybe he was having a slight allergic reaction to the tree. DSS 9 left the next morning to go back to his mom's house and didn't come back to our house until Christmas Day.

Throughout Christmas weekend, it became very apparent that the noise that DSS 9 was making was a tic. It was also accompanied by a head roll. So we took him to the doctor the Monday following Christmas. His ped diagnosed him with asthma and was also concerned that it was the onset of PANDAS although a strep test came back negative. We spent the week getting his asthma under control and observing him to see if there were triggers for the tic. It became apparent that his tic would flare up/increase in frequency after a stressful interaction such as an argument with his sisters or talking on the phone with his mother.

He went back to his mom's house this past Monday afternoon and started a 2 week course of antibiotics. He came back home to our house on Tuesday evening. In the roughly 36 hours away from our house, he developed another tic which is a cross between a throat clearing and a grunt. I called his ped on Wednesday and told him that he had developed a new tic. His ped said that can happen with PANDAS once antibiotic treatment has started. He has a followup appt scheduled with his ped on Jan. 18.

Now to the H1N1 vaccine part. I had a thought in the back of my mind wondering if it could be vaccine related at all. I remembered that he had received the booster shot for the H1N1 vaccine some time before Christmas break at his elementary school. So I called the school nurse this morning to get the exact date. He received the booster shot on Dec. 11. Is it possible that the H1N1 vaccine booster shot has triggered these tics?

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He probably got the shot with thimerosal, i.e., mercury. I believe there was a study that children exposed to thimerosal were more likely to have tics. Anyone remember which study that was?
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