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I found this website through some links here and have been back and forth trying to get through all the info. It looks like they're doing a series of articles on vaccine myths.

This one is about CP. It's amazing to me how deadly this disease has gotten since they came up with a vaccine for it.

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Parents who take their children to chicken pox parties have forgotten how devastating this childhood disease can be according to vaccination experts:
I haven't forgotten...it was fun...itchy but fun. I got to stay home from school and watch TV all day!

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I like all the old news articles they are digging up

Just recently discovered Google News Archives. Did you know you can find old newspaper articles on just about any subject?

Whoops, wandering way off topic, sorry.

It really is amazing how unscary chickenpox and mumps used to be before there was a vaccine and how terrifying they are now.
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Well I did it more than a year ago so I'm not 100% quotable, but a FB friend asked me for individual research on the varicella vaccine and disease at that time and I haven't delved into it since then. I found a .002% death rate from wild chickenpox.

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"Parents who take their children to chicken pox parties have forgotten how devastating this childhood disease can be according to vaccination experts."
Give me a break.

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Tetanus myths really annoy me. Like when a hcp told me that since I was refusing the tetanus vax that if I ever came to the ER with a cut from metal, I would be given the tetanus vaccine. Right, because tetanus is found only on rusty metal, and the vax starts working immediately. At any rate, that was my first and last visit with that particular hcp.

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Tetanus myths really annoy me. Like when a hcp told me that since I was refusing the tetanus vax that if I ever came to the ER with a cut from metal, I would be given the tetanus vaccine. Right, because tetanus is found only on rusty metal, and the vax starts working immediately. At any rate, that was my first and last visit with that particular hcp.
I had this argument with my dad. I told him, "You will not get tetanus from a kitchen knife you pulled from the dishwasher." He didn't believe me.

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Yeah, the tetanus fear mongering myth is one of my favorites.

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Yeah, the tetanus fear mongering myth is one of my favorites.
If you listen to the myths you can get tetanus from any nick or scratch....and it ALWAYS causes horrible lockjaw and kills you.

Just like polio always puts you in an iron lung or a wheelchair. No one recovers...ever.

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I know way too many people that go in for stitches from kitchen accidents and end up with a tetanus shot. Drives me crazy.

Here's another article about how vaccines saved us all. My grandmother and all her siblings were born in the early 1900's, well before vaccines were in wide use. They all lived long, healthy lives into their 80's and 90's.
http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...hs-round-four/

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Your chicken pox was fun???? I had it... twice. The second time I was in the 8th grade and INCREDIBLY sick. I'm so thankful that my children won't suffer through that. I also work in a hospital. You are required to be immune to chicken pox if you have patient care. Its just smart. Don't forget small pox was wiped out by vaccines.
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Your chicken pox was fun???? I had it... twice. The second time I was in the 8th grade and INCREDIBLY sick.
I had chickenpox when I was in the first grade and I was not very ill at all. My friends would come over and play after school (they had already had it), and I remember wrestling with my Dad. I never went to a doctor.

I believe diseases of childhood, like measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox are generally believed to be (or were, pre-vaccine) mild between the ages of 5-10 or 15. The older you are, the more sick you may get. I want to acknowledge your experience as valid but I also hope you understand that many children did and do not get as ill as you did.

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Don't forget small pox was wiped out by vaccines.
Yeah, I was taught this in nursing school too. It's wrong, though. Smallpox was not wiped out solely with vaccines.

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/smallpox.pdf

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Not that that has anything to do with the topic of this thread... not sure why you brought it up? It sounds like a reflexive way to defend all vaccines as equally necessary and good.

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Yeah, I was taught this in nursing school too. It's wrong, though. Smallpox was not wiped out solely with vaccines.

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/smallpox.pdf



Not that that has anything to do with the topic of this thread... not sure why you brought it up? It sounds like a reflexive way to defend all vaccines as equally necessary and good.
this link gave me an error, i'd like to read more
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this link gave me an error, i'd like to read more
Doh! The link has changed.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/Pubs/pin...s/smallpox.pdf

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Your chicken pox was fun???? I had it... twice. The second time I was in the 8th grade and INCREDIBLY sick. I'm so thankful that my children won't suffer through that. I also work in a hospital. You are required to be immune to chicken pox if you have patient care. Its just smart. Don't forget small pox was wiped out by vaccines.
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I loved having chicken pox! My younger sister came home with them, and the first thing my mom did was drop us in the bath together. I got them too and stayed home from school, watched tv and movies, spent the days with my grandparents playing games, and playing with my sister in the bath.

Sure, there are people who had really bad cases. But overall, I am floored at how this normal childhood disease that parents thought nothing of has morphed into a deadly killer that people shun like the plague.
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Your chicken pox was fun???? I had it... twice. The second time I was in the 8th grade and INCREDIBLY sick. I'm so thankful that my children won't suffer through that. I also work in a hospital. You are required to be immune to chicken pox if you have patient care. Its just smart. Don't forget small pox was wiped out by vaccines.
-Casey

What if you have never had the pox and titers show negative after vaccination? Is your career in medicine over? Or maybe they don't check titers and just believe that after vaccination you're immune? We all know that that is not necessarily true...I had the MMR 3 times and still show no immunity to the the R. I also came down with both of the Ms.....I guess I could never be a nurse...or I could just use an exemption

Oh...yeah...CP was fine...Measles kinda sucked and the mumps was pretty uncomfortable...so much for vaccines

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What if you have never had the pox and titers show negative after vaccination? Is your career in medicine over? Or maybe they don't check titers and just believe that after vaccination you're immune? We all know that that is not necessarily true...I had the MMR 3 times and still show no immunity to the the R. I also came down with both of the Ms.....I guess I could never be a nurse...or I could just use an exemption

Oh...yeah...CP was fine...Measles kinda sucked and the mumps was pretty uncomfortable...so much for vaccines
Seriously? You got both AFTER being vaxed??

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I loved having chicken pox! My younger sister came home with them, and the first thing my mom did was drop us in the bath together. I got them too and stayed home from school, watched tv and movies, spent the days with my grandparents playing games, and playing with my sister in the bath.

Sure, there are people who had really bad cases. But overall, I am floored at how this normal childhood disease that parents thought nothing of has morphed into a deadly killer that people shun like the plague.
Oh yes, I remember loving it too haha! That is so funny, I didn't think back to it until people started sharing their stories. I just looked in my childhood photo album...there I am in my undies, completely covered in pox w/ my sister, smiling at the camera. We both had it at the same time.

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What if you have never had the pox and titers show negative after vaccination? Is your career in medicine over? Or maybe they don't check titers and just believe that after vaccination you're immune? We all know that that is not necessarily true...I had the MMR 3 times and still show no immunity to the the R. I also came down with both of the Ms.....I guess I could never be a nurse...or I could just use an exemption

Oh...yeah...CP was fine...Measles kinda sucked and the mumps was pretty uncomfortable...so much for vaccines

I'm wondering about this, too. The varicella vaccine doesn't have the best track record. Isn't that why they want boosters AND the shingles vaccine? NashvilleAwesome, does your employer require yearly blood draws to ensure you are immune?

Fyrestorm, I got my MMRs and Rubella...and when I was pregnant found out I STILL wasn't immune.

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>I also work in a hospital. You are required to be immune to chicken pox if you have patient care. Its just smart. <


I don't think the cp vaccine is super effective. I have known many friends whose kids got this vaccine and still came down with cp!!! The vaccine does not guarantee immunity...and whose to say that in a few years we won't see more adults coming down with cp because they got the vaccine in childhood (which wore off) and never had the chance to actually get the disease as a child?
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Seriously? You got both AFTER being vaxed??

Yup...Mumps at camp in 78 and measles in High School in 81. My mom was a Ped nurse and get me everything under the sun...even those vaccines not on the schedule. She also kept meticulous records. I had 3 MMRs. Can you guess that I'm one of those that didn't seroconvert?

Back when I had CP back in the Late 60's it wasn't even considered a disease...no one ever freaked out about it...we just waited to get it and get a school vacation!

The CP vaccine was never intended for the general population. It was conceived for the immune-compromised. When they weren't making enough money off of it, they had it added to the childhood vaccine schedule and put out fearmongering campaigns to promote it.

If you ask people who grew up in the 40s - measles and mumps were no biggie...then came the vaccine and they were terrorizing to the people who grew up past the 60's. The same is true for CP...it was no biggie until the vaccine came out.

There are lots of illnesses that suck...if there is no vaccine, no one freaks about it.

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Your chicken pox was fun???? I had it... twice. The second time I was in the 8th grade and INCREDIBLY sick. I'm so thankful that my children won't suffer through that. I also work in a hospital. You are required to be immune to chicken pox if you have patient care. Its just smart. Don't forget small pox was wiped out by vaccines.
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Actually smallpox was not wiped out by the vaccine.....but that is a whole other thread
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Yup...Mumps at camp in 78 and measles in High School in 81. My mom was a Ped nurse and get me everything under the sun...even those vaccines not on the schedule. She also kept meticulous records. I had 3 MMRs. Can you guess that I'm one of those that didn't seroconvert?

Back when I had CP back in the Late 60's it wasn't even considered a disease...no one ever freaked out about it...we just waited to get it and get a school vacation!

The CP vaccine was never intended for the general population. It was conceived for the immune-compromised. When they weren't making enough money off of it, they had it added to the childhood vaccine schedule and put out fearmongering campaigns to promote it.

If you ask people who grew up in the 40s - measles and mumps were no biggie...then came the vaccine and they were terrorizing to the people who grew up past the 60's. The same is true for CP...it was no biggie until the vaccine came out.

There are lots of illnesses that suck...if there is no vaccine, no one freaks about it.
I got cp from a pox party...a mom in our playgroup (a nurse btw) invited all of us over when her son got it. I don't remember it being uncomfortable (I'm sure it was) I remember oatmeal baths and people pointing out my pox in the beginning.

My mom got measles, mumps, and rubella as a kid...and she's fine. I remember her telling me stories about her sister looking funny when she had mumps (swollen face).

I've also only had the flu a handful of times in my life...AND I got viral meningitis (and my mom got it after me) and turned out fine.

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Your chicken pox was fun???? I had it... twice. The second time I was in the 8th grade and INCREDIBLY sick. I'm so thankful that my children won't suffer through that. I also work in a hospital. You are required to be immune to chicken pox if you have patient care. Its just smart. Don't forget small pox was wiped out by vaccines.
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I had chickenpox when I was in the first grade and I was not very ill at all. My friends would come over and play after school (they had already had it), and I remember wrestling with my Dad. I never went to a doctor.

I believe diseases of childhood, like measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox are generally believed to be (or were, pre-vaccine) mild between the ages of 5-10 or 15. The older you are, the more sick you may get. I want to acknowledge your experience as valid but I also hope you understand that many children did and do not get as ill as you did.


If DS doesn't catch chickenpox by the time he's about 10 or 12, I will vaccinate him then. We took it a little bit slower, but he is up-to-date on everything else.

I think if we had a family history of bad reactions to chicken pox, I would consider getting the vaccine "on schedule," because I know there are some deaths from it.

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Fyrestorm: I got to thinking and your situation shouldn't surprise me. When DH went through basic training they did titers on everyone and most of the guys he was with had to get boosters for EVERYTHING. (DH had pos titers for everything) I remember being surprised because these guys were all over 18...some in their mid 20s.

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I'm old. I was a kid in the 60's. I got chicken pox. I missed a week of school and watched a lot of cartoons. Same with my friends.


Vaxed kids getting chicken pox is not a rare bird. do a search here on this forum and you'll see it with moms here and google shows it a lot.
I remember a story a few years ago about a school in new hampshire where all the kids were vaxed and they had an 'outbreak'. no it was not from a non vaxed kid. I'm sure the link to that story is somewhere here.


Me, I never took much comfort from the roots of the drive to get this vaccine up and running...

from nytimes 1993.

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A vast majority of the economic cost of the disease is attributable to lost pay of parents who become housebound with children who are not allowed to go back to school or day care until their pockmarks have disappeared.

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To me there are enough complications and parents lose so much time from work taking care of kids with chicken pox that it is worth vaccinating," said Dr. Anne A. Gershon, head of pediatric infectious disease at Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons

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Yup...Mumps at camp in 78 and measles in High School in 81. My mom was a Ped nurse and get me everything under the sun...even those vaccines not on the schedule. She also kept meticulous records. I had 3 MMRs. Can you guess that I'm one of those that didn't seroconvert?

Back when I had CP back in the Late 60's it wasn't even considered a disease...no one ever freaked out about it...we just waited to get it and get a school vacation!

The CP vaccine was never intended for the general population. It was conceived for the immune-compromised. When they weren't making enough money off of it, they had it added to the childhood vaccine schedule and put out fearmongering campaigns to promote it.

If you ask people who grew up in the 40s - measles and mumps were no biggie...then came the vaccine and they were terrorizing to the people who grew up past the 60's. The same is true for CP...it was no biggie until the vaccine came out.

There are lots of illnesses that suck...if there is no vaccine, no one freaks about it.
I also got mumps after getting the MMR. And I was fully up to date. I had them in elementary school, about age 7 or 8 (so in the late 70s) . And I had CP a year afterwards as well...obviously we weren't vaxed for it back then. But no one thought it was a big deal.

I think the mumps vax is a joke really, looking at the recent outbreak stats...

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The worst part about having CP for me was having to reschedule my birthday party. Oh, and being upset that I had them over a school break, while my sister caught them right after me, and got to miss a whole week of school. All that TV watching I missed out on...

I am an RN, and no one ever asked me about my CP immunity status when I started working! That's ridiculous.

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I was 12 when I got CP, and I thought it was great. It was the last week of the school year and I got to hang out and sunbathe in the beautiful weather while everyone else was stuck inside. I didn't have a very bad case... probably like 15 or 20 pox marks? My mom had a really mild case, too (when she was a kid)... and my sister didn't have a real bad case except hers was over her birthday which was a bummer.

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I had cp when I was 2 weeks old. I am fine. I never had the measles, mumps or rubella because I had mmr when I was 5. I don't know if I ever got another one...it isn't in my records. I was wondering if anyone knows the difference between the mmr that I got (in 1973) vs the mmr II (?) they give now?? Just curious.
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The myth that gets me fired up is the one that suggests that my unvaccinated child is a health risk to your vaccinated child. And don't get me started on herd immunity. Oy.

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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post
Well I did it more than a year ago so I'm not 100% quotable, but a FB friend asked me for individual research on the varicella vaccine and disease at that time and I haven't delved into it since then. I found a .002% death rate from wild chickenpox.
Respectfully, numbers don't matter if your child is one that comprises that 0.002% statistic.

Don't get me wrong, I still choose to forgo VariVax, but chicken pox isn't always a benign childhood disease. Usually it is, but I went to the hospital to visit my best friend's sister when she was dying of chicken pox related encephalitis when I was in highschool and I know that it occurs in 1.7 of every 100 000 cases of varicella (or at least it did then). Sometimes you are the statistic, no matter how rare, and that sucks.

So, while I do not choose to vaccinate against this particular virus, I do not feel that it is fun or without risk.

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