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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...198775&ps=cprs

I'm so tired of hearing about this! And the fact that they mention adults need to get boosters every 10 yrs, give me a break!

Is it really an outbreak, or the same amout of kids who always get it just now they are recording it? And how many of those kids who have gotten it were vaxed. And how many of the infants who died had been fully vaxed? And how many of the kids who got it had previous medical problems which would leave them with vulnerable immune systems?

These articles always seem to leave out details like that!
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This is precisely why I don't have television in my home or read negative articles. Most times they aren't based on factual data, but pure emotion. Fueling people's emotions seems to be a pretty lucrative business now-a-days.

Most of the kids who get vaccinated still catch the disease or are given the disease through vaccination. And the majority who end up sick were properly vaccinated. Isn't it ironic.
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I'm so tired of hearing about this! And the fact that they mention adults need to get boosters every 10 yrs, give me a break!

Is it really an outbreak, or the same amout of kids who always get it just now they are recording it?
From reading the article it sounds like, yes, they have been recording it:
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More than 2,700 cases have been reported so far this year — eight times last year's number at this point.
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And how many of those kids who have gotten it were vaxed.
Pertussis vaccine is not expected to prevent infection. It's expected to decrease the severity of the illness.
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And how many of the infants who died had been fully vaxed?
I'm guessing 0% because the series of shots isn't over until the child is school-aged.
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And how many of the kids who got it had previous medical problems which would leave them with vulnerable immune systems?

These articles always seem to leave out details like that!
I don't know, but I really don't see how it would matter. The whole article is about protecting those who are most at risk: infants. I would guess that immune-compromised infants would need protection even more. People can argue about efficacy, herd immunity, etc. But I don't see the flaw in the article.
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I wasn't really meaning to flaw the article, just tired of the hype about it!

Is there a stat about how many adults get their 10 yr W booster? My last shots were for college, 15 yrs ago and I don't plan on any more!

Oh wait, I they did give me a Tentnus shot in the ER for spraining my ankle 10 yrs ago, WHY WHY WHY!
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I wasn't really meaning to flaw the article, just tired of the hype about it!

Is there a stat about how many adults get their 10 yr W booster? My last shots were for college, 15 yrs ago and I don't plan on any more!

Oh wait, I they did give me a Tentnus shot in the ER for spraining my ankle 10 yrs ago, WHY WHY WHY!
2.1 % of adults are up to date for Dtap.

The infants that died were all under 2 months old so were unvaccinated.

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immu...%20Release.pdf

Heathergirl - The Dtap seris is complete by 6 months old not school age. Boosters are not considiered a part of a series.

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All of the babies who have died were Hispanic. I don't know the details, but my gut tells me that it's highly possible that these babies were born to undocumented immigrants who delayed getting treatment because of their immigration status and/or concerns about paying for the treatment.

I know that may sound horribly racist, but I think it's an important piece of information that the babies who died are all of the same race.

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All of the babies who have died were Hispanic. I don't know the details, but my gut tells me that it's highly possible that these babies were born to undocumented immigrants who delayed getting treatment because of their immigration status and/or concerns about paying for the treatment.

I know that may sound horribly racist, but I think it's an important piece of information that the babies who died are all of the same race.
I don't think it's racist. It is an important peice of information that we unfortunately do not have access to. We can only speculate, which, in debates like this, only seem to further the divide KWIM??

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http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...and-the-media/

These sorts of articles are propaganda disguised as "news" articles.

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I heard this story when it ran on the radio. Quite frustrating!

One thing I had not heard before was the claim that this year's outbreak is the worst on record in 40 (50?) years. Anybody know if this is true? Of course, 40 years isn't that long ago in terms of how long humans and bacteria have been coexisting, but still. Anybody have any information on this claim?
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I heard this story when it ran on the radio. Quite frustrating!

One thing I had not heard before was the claim that this year's outbreak is the worst on record in 40 (50?) years. Anybody know if this is true? Of course, 40 years isn't that long ago in terms of how long humans and bacteria have been coexisting, but still. Anybody have any information on this claim?
What they are saying for California is that if the current trend continues, they may see the most reported cases in the last 40-50 years. Pertussis has been a reportable disease since 1922, although back then they didn't have to lab testing, so it was diagnosed based on symptoms alone.

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Didn't get a chance to read all these posts but thought I would add NVIC's take on the pertussis outbreaks in California:

This article/video is a MUST READ/LISTEN! "Using Fear and Prejudice to Attack Vaccine Exemptions" accurate and misleading information about B. pertussis whooping cough and the pertussis vaccine is being communicated by medical doctors.

http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-New...Exemption.aspx

And another article a bit older from NVIC:

http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-New...-Failures.aspx
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I'm so tired of hearing about this! And the fact that they mention adults need to get boosters every 10 yrs, give me a break!
As I understand it, the current Tdap shot is a one-time affair, with Td alone recommended for further 10-year boosters.
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All of the babies who have died were Hispanic. I don't know the details, but my gut tells me that it's highly possible that these babies were born to undocumented immigrants who delayed getting treatment because of their immigration status and/or concerns about paying for the treatment.

I know that may sound horribly racist, but I think it's an important piece of information that the babies who died are all of the same race.
Thank you for this info, I was wondering about these details. When the H1N1was all the hype last year I always wondered what the stats were for the children who cought the virus. If anyone has this info I would love to see it as well!
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As I understand it, the current Tdap shot is a one-time affair, with Td alone recommended for further 10-year boosters.
there is a BIG push right now for adults to get standard Tdap boosters instead of td alone.
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Ah, thanks for the clarification, Marnica! I should have known, with all the other inconsistensies and nonsense in the story, that there was more to this claim that they were letting on. Still, it should be interesting to see how the numbers finally play out for the year.
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I heard (a different?) NPR piece on my drive home last night. It may have been more local to California and talked about how they were offering free Tdap shots to adults. The funny thing is the piece ended with how some of the vaccines were ineffective due to improper storage... i.e. it's not the vaccine's fault if it doesn't work?? Or maybe they were saying you should get a second shot just in case your first one was "bad", dunno...

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What I've been wondering is how many of the people who had pertussis were vaccinated?

Also, in regards to the babies, were they breastfed babies or not?

I just don't feel like I'm getting the full picture on this. It's like, state these basic facts and then push everyone to vaccinate. I understand the need to protect the most vulnerable, the infants, but if the vaccines don't even really work that well and people still catch it eventhough it's milder - what does that mean? The infants who might get it then are going to catch a milder case?
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Pertussis vaccine is not expected to prevent infection. It's expected to decrease the severity of the illness.
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I'm guessing 0% because the series of shots isn't over until the child is school-aged. I don't know, but I really don't see how it would matter. The whole article is about protecting those who are most at risk: infants. I would guess that immune-compromised infants would need protection even more. People can argue about efficacy, herd immunity, etc. But I don't see the flaw in the article.
So, everyone should get vaccinated so that infants, who are not vaccinated and are at a higher risk category, are safe. But, the vaccine is not meant to prevent transmission or infection...just severity. But, also, infants cannot be "fully vaxed" for this disease until later in life...when it's not so serious anymore.

And...people are surprised that infants still got sick/died? Really? If the vaccine cannot prevent transmission, but does decrease the severity of the illness...how is this helping anyone? You go around completely contagious thinking you just have a cold instead of showing the tell tale signs of whooping cough. I mean, if I get a bad cold, I don't go running to my doctor. If my child gets a bad cold, I don't go running to the doc. If my child starts whooping, I know for sure to begin a treatment regimen and quarantine the child...anyone think that the massive outbreak, regardless of vax status, is highly likely due to affected people walking around spreading this illness and not even realizing it?

Not to mention that the illness itself peaks every 4 years or so...the last outbreak (around here) was 3 1/2 years ago. I'm sure it'll go around again, soon.
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All of the babies who have died were Hispanic. I don't know the details, but my gut tells me that it's highly possible that these babies were born to undocumented immigrants who delayed getting treatment because of their immigration status and/or concerns about paying for the treatment.

I know that may sound horribly racist, but I think it's an important piece of information that the babies who died are all of the same race.
I wonder how many of the mothers were given shots while pregnant? and what was in the shots (I am not convinced it is always what 'they' say it is)? What sort of medical interventions did they get at birth.... It seems the industry loves to use poor, other than white populations for the experiments. Maybe they were given H1N1 vax or a booster for something while pregnant....

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So, everyone should get vaccinated so that infants, who are not vaccinated and are at a higher risk category, are safe. But, the vaccine is not meant to prevent transmission or infection...just severity. But, also, infants cannot be "fully vaxed" for this disease until later in life...when it's not so serious anymore.

And...people are surprised that infants still got sick/died? Really? If the vaccine cannot prevent transmission, but does decrease the severity of the illness...how is this helping anyone? You go around completely contagious thinking you just have a cold instead of showing the tell tale signs of whooping cough. I mean, if I get a bad cold, I don't go running to my doctor. If my child gets a bad cold, I don't go running to the doc. If my child starts whooping, I know for sure to begin a treatment regimen and quarantine the child...anyone think that the massive outbreak, regardless of vax status, is highly likely due to affected people walking around spreading this illness and not even realizing it?

Not to mention that the illness itself peaks every 4 years or so...the last outbreak (around here) was 3 1/2 years ago. I'm sure it'll go around again, soon.

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What I've been wondering is how many of the people who had pertussis were vaccinated?
I remember when I was doing my initial research on vaccines I found an incidence of WC being labeled the cause of the deaths of hispanic babies. They had all received the initial vaccine days before coming down with it. I wish I could remember where to find that so I could link it. It was one of the indicators to me that in some cases the vaccine can sponsor the illness. Of course, the 'spin' was that they died because they had not yet received the whole series.

This article has some statistics about WC illness even though fully vaccinated, the figure here is 85.9%

http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7560/174.full

From the CDC Pink Book (which has been severely dumbed down since the time I looked at it years ago! There is NO scientific data or jargon present, nor any actual studies presented)

"Of the 10,650 children 3 months to 4 years of age with
reported pertussis during 1990–1996 and known vaccination
status, 54% were not age-appropriately vaccinated
with DTaP."

I take this statistic to mean the children had received some of the vaccinations... which is where (I believe- through research) the infection originates in many cases. But I could be wrong. We don't vaccinate for many reasons, the most glaring one being the ingredients and how they are made. I do not believe injecting toxins to be a healthy decision.
Frankly, after seeing how the pink book has been changed and reading the propaganda (IMO) that vaccinating saves lives and all the 'possible' and 'likely' side effects, I feel sick. I really wanted to dig up some information that has a source about how many children get sick with B. Pertussis within a month of receiving the dose....

After reading the marketing pitch known as the pink book again, I am willing to bet the women received some vaccinations during pregnancy and their children likely received at least one dose, but I have no documentation on that, yet... and with all the money involved, it is likely we will not be permitted to know this even if it is the case... There are people employed by the vaccine makers checking all the boards and blogs and websites that they can (IMO) and formulating renewed opposition based on what they learn from us vaccine decliners.... Probably why the pink book has been so changed, since it was information in it that helped me decide vaccinations were more dangerous than the disease.

Anyway, I just feel sick right now and cannot continue the research. Maybe later.

eta http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.c...-vaccines.html

i was just given this link... more vaccination/WC info on it, with sources nak

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There was a terrific documentary done by KPBS Reporters Joanne Faryon and Kevin Crowe about California's pertussis outbreak.  Crowe and Faryon joined forces with The Watchdog Institute (San Diego), after performing some four months' worth of research into the pertussis outbreak.  Joanne traveled to the Netherlands as well and interviewed Dr. Mooi, who has performed extensive pertussis bacterium research.  What both Joanne and Kevin found, completely shocked them.  They found through researching some 17 or so counties that most, if not all of the reported pertussis cases, were in those that had been fully vaccinated.  They also found no correlation between exemptions used in certain counties, with the number of reported cases.  Also, the CDC had only cultured FOUR of the known reported cases of pertussis at the time their research was performed - which is rather shocking.  Further, if the pertussis bacteria is mutating (we could be dealing with b-parapertussis), then the vaccine for pertussis, as Dr. Mooi states, is completely useless. 

 

Here is the link to this documentary - it's well worth the viewing:  http://www.kpbs.org/news/envision/whoopingcough/

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