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A question I was asked, and Iam unsure of how to answer.
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They are toxins and anytime you introduce toxins into your system, it will be taxing on your immune system. Most kids who get vaccines have fever, etc, etc showing their little bodies are trying to fight the yuckies off.

I dont have a medical/scientific answer......maybe someone else can help.

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You are introducing forgein subjects to your body. Most , dare I say all , of the vaccines contain antibiotics to "help" fight off the disease. In my opinion it's the antibiotics and other odd ingredients (antifreeze , preservatives ,formaldehyde , monkey cells , cow cells , fetal tissue) that weaken the system. Not the disease itself. If your body is healthy and fights off the disease your body will be stronger for it. The antibiotics never give your body , your natural immune system , a chance to fight off the disease they introduced to it.
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....that I'm trying to work on fully understanding.

"Th-2 skewing" seems to shed some technical light on the matter.

From the link:

"In 1999 we wrote, "At the level of the immune response, the newborn tends towards a TH2 response to pathogens and gradually shifts towards a TH1 response with age. If this transition does not take place appropriately, the infant is likely to be at greater risk of mounting aberrant immune responses in later life, as seen in patients with allergies."

noodle4u, I don't know if the person asking you was asking in good faith or not, but if not, one response might be asking the person why vaccines don't work nearly as well as disease as far as imparting permanent immunity.

Why are 4 or 5 Dtap injections necessary for the vax to "take"....

....and pertussis is still on the rise.

The first defense of our immune systems is mucosal-- nose, throat, lungs, GI tract.

So much of the intense initial response comes at the first detection through these systems.

To inject anything (and what a toxic brew these things are) directly into the flesh is really a violation of the elaborate mechanisms of our body.

To go a little OT, here is a great quote from my favorite vax book:

From Jamie Murphy's "What Every Parent Should Know About Childhood Immunization" on

"The Protective Factors in Breastmilk"

"Breast milk has proven to inhibit the growth of many bacteria and viruses in laboratory experiments. Antibodies or isoagglutinins have been isolated from breast milk in response to the following disease organisms: tetanus; pertussis; pneumonia; diphtheria; polio virus 1, 2 and 3; mumps; Coxsackie and echo virus; smallpox; and influenza organisms."

"The immunoglobulin IgA is referred to as secretory IgA (sIgA) and is somewhat different from the IgA that is produced in serum. The secretory immunoglobulin found in breast milk is thought to be produced in the mammary gland of the mother. SIgA greatly benefits breast-feeding infants because it coats their intestinal tract with "anti-septic paint", thus protecting the infant from bacterial and viral invasions from such pathogens as E. coli, poliovirus, streptococi, staphylococci, and pneumococci."

"One of the major reasons for the substantially lower incidence of infant diarrhea in breast-fed babies is the quality of their intestinal flora. In contrast, infants who are reared on cows-milk based formulas have an intestinal flora that is predominately bacteroides, streptococcus faecalis, and E. coli organisms. The gut flora of exclusively breast-fed infants is colonized almost entirely with friendly bacteria: lactobacilli and bifido-bacteria. In 1953, Gyorgy demonstrated that human milk contained a carbohydrate known as the bifidus factor, whcih may encourage the growth of these beneficial organisms. In breast-fed infants, the production of ascetic acid and lactic acid by friendly lactobacillus bacteria lowers the ph (acid-alkaline balance) of the stool, thus providing a suitable acid environment, which prevents the growth of yeasts, shigella, and E. coli bacteria. As a result, breast-fed infants are largely protected from the organisms associated with candida albicans, dysentery, infantile diarrhea, and gastroenteritis."

This is how babies are designed to get immune support.

Such an elaborate and exquisitely powerful substance breastmilk is.

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Thanks, much better replys than- I dunno, they just do.
And no this person wasnt asking out of good intentions.
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