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#31 of 42 Old 02-03-2011, 07:18 PM
 
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My research showed more than that. I was looking at CP vax yesterday and CDC site said 1 in 1000 (or less) so...

 

I am not trying to star a big debate over here though.

 

So SOME CAN CAUSE seizures which is good enough for me.

 

Well, the overall risk of having a  febrile seizure at any time during a childhood illness associated with fever is 1 in 25.  Pretty high.  So, if you are really worried about febrile seizures, you probably should vax- then you have a lower chance of getting a febrile illness.
 


Febrile seizures are harmless, the child doesn't even remember it and they don't do anything to the brain (unlike non-febrile seizures). Although they are extremely scary for the parent the first time. I don't consider them in my risk analysis for vaccines.  Likewise, soreness, redness, bruising at the injection site or a rash, headache, tiredness aren't enough of a reaction to influence my decision. Fever is a normal part of childhood, so I don't decide against a vaccine because it may cause a fever.

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My research showed more than that. I was looking at CP vax yesterday and CDC site said 1 in 1000 (or less) so...

 

I am not trying to star a big debate over here though.

 

So SOME CAN CAUSE seizures which is good enough for me.

 

Well, the overall risk of having a  febrile seizure at any time during a childhood illness associated with fever is 1 in 25.  Pretty high.  So, if you are really worried about febrile seizures, you probably should vax- then you have a lower chance of getting a febrile illness.
 


Febrile seizures are harmless, the child doesn't even remember it and they don't do anything to the brain (unlike non-febrile seizures). Although they are extremely scary for the parent the first time. I don't consider them in my risk analysis for vaccines.  Likewise, soreness, redness, bruising at the injection site or a rash, headache, tiredness aren't enough of a reaction to influence my decision. Fever is a normal part of childhood, so I don't decide against a vaccine because it may cause a fever.



 But apparently for that poster, sosurreal, it is one of her concerns. That post was probably directed more towards her.

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OK so you are saying febrile seizures are harmless. So then if I don't vax and she gets a febrile seizure from something she will be fine? If I do vax the side effect says seizure, not febrile seizure, so she can have a damaging seizure with lasting effects from a vaccine. So then that would once again support not vaccinating, correct?


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OK so you are saying febrile seizures are harmless. So then if I don't vax and she gets a febrile seizure from something she will be fine? If I do vax the side effect says seizure, not febrile seizure, so she can have a damaging seizure with lasting effects from a vaccine. So then that would once again support not vaccinating, correct?


Well, here's the thing: The CDC link you posted above for chicken pox vaccine side effects says the following:

 

"A seizure (jerking and staring spell) usually caused by fever may occur in less than 1 in 1000 vaccine recipients. This may not be related to the vaccine."

 

Seizure caused by fever = febrile seizure. That's the risk we're talking about, here. So, your claim that the vaccine causes seizure in 1 in 1000 (or less, you said) isn't completely accurate.

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I wouldn't say I was inaccurate. It doesn't specifically say febrile seizure.


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OK so you are saying febrile seizures are harmless. So then if I don't vax and she gets a febrile seizure from something she will be fine? If I do vax the side effect says seizure, not febrile seizure, so she can have a damaging seizure with lasting effects from a vaccine. So then that would once again support not vaccinating, correct?


But your source specifically said that the seizures in question may not be related to the vaccine.  So unless I'm missing something, you are balancing the unproven possibility that the chicken pox vaccine could cause seizures in a small number of kids, and the even smaller and still unproven possibility that some of those seizures could potentially be harmful and have lasting effects, against the very real and very well established fact that a significant number of people who get chicken pox have complications so severe that they require hospitalization, and the also real and well established fact that some of those people will have seizures (or worse) as a result of having chicken pox.  I don't get why that would support not vaccinating.

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It's chickenpox! Seriously? You are afraid of chickenpox? For adults it can be serious, but for kids it's usually just a week of being sick, then lifelong immunity.

 

Look I am going to be flat out honest here. I am not the person to be having this "discussion" with the people who are pushing for vax over here. ( I am not admitting defeat either I just don't have the time or resources to be arguing this) I was just trying to give my two sense. There are plenty of well educated mamas on the I'm Not Vaccinating board who have a lot more info than me. I did vax until I realized that my DD's problems were from vax. Once we stopped vaxing all her reactions subsided, I know in my heart and with my faith, that I need to not vax anymore. Yes for me religion plays a part. Also I know a TON of reactions go unreported and my DDs for example were of course "not caused by vax, it was just coincidence" Which IS BULL. So you want to trust the CDC and the Gov and all of that with making sure what they want you to inject into your child is safe? Go ahead it's your kid.

 

I do know febrile seizures can lead to epilepsy.

 

Anyway here are some good links on whats in vax and a report from a bunch of DRs and NDs I found helpful OP

 

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/SpecialReports/VaccinesFullStory/v1/VaccineReport-EN.pdf


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Oh, no, I'm not afraid of chicken pox.  I'm also not afraid of vaccines.  I was just responding to what you said.  I have no intention of pushing vaccines on anyone, and I'm glad that you are confident in your choice.  I just think that the vax discussion should remain honest and based on facts.  That's my goal.  smile.gif

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Look, I'm not trying to attack you, sosurreal. Nor do I think anyone here is "pushing vax." It's just not helpful to anyone (including the anti-vax cause) when you respond to an honest inquiry with blatantly false information (i.e. statistics published by the CDC). If anything, I hope this thread serves as an example of how much misinformation is out there. I'm all for informed consent, informed being the key word here.

As for the febrile seizures... I've lost track of how that plays into your argument, but the research seems to show a slight (2-4 percent, though some studies show less) increase in epilepsy in children who have had febrile seizures, but only when combined with other risk factors.

If anyone is interested:

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/febrile_seizures/febrile_seizures.htm

http://www.epilepsy.com/pdfs/transcripts_febrile_seizures.pdf

http://www.med.nyu.edu/cec/epilepsy/types/febrile.html
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How did I blantantly post false info from the CDC? The website I posted did say 1 in 1000. Sure I didn't post the whole stinking paragraph, but when asked I did provide the link.


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The CDC website actually made me chose not to vax b/c it states the reactions and the rates of them. 1 in 1000 kids have a seizure from most of the vaxs...that doesn't seem like a good risk to me!






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This sounded off to me, so I checked. Of all the vaccines listed on the CDC website, seizures are only listed as a possible complication for five of them, and never in the "1 in 1000" range you quoted. (Quoted from www.CDC.gov)
DTaP: Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of 14,000)
Japanese encephalitis: Seizures or other serious nervous system problems (between 1 in 50,000 and 1 in a million).
MMR: Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
MMRV: Seizure caused by fever (about 1 child in 1,250 who get MMRV), usually 5-12 days after the first dose. They happen less often when MMR and varicella vaccines are given at the same visit as separate shots (about 1 child in 2,500 who get these two vaccines), and rarely after a 2nd dose of MMRV.
Chicken pox: Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (very rare).

OP: Good luck with your research. Like others have mentioned, be sure you're getting information from good, reputable sources.


 

 

 

 

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Let's please get back on topic regarding any suggestions you might have for good vaccine information resources. If you wish to further explore incidence rates of specific vaccine reactions, please start a new thread. If you would like to further discuss the relationship between febrile seizures and epilepsy, please start a new thread in Health & Healing.

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