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Do you have any source from this other than naturalnews.com?

 


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Unfortunately, it happens a lot.  And no...nobody wants to hear about it.  I am told all the time how news stations, politicians, free lawyers, etc. should be all over my case and helping me fight the un-justice that my daughter and I have been put through thanks to CPS.  But they don't.  Nobody touches CPS cases.  Nobody.  Nobody wants to hear about it or talk about it and most victims are written off as crazy and/or liars.  And most everyday people who haven't seen it or experienced it themselves, don't believe those that have.  Nobody wants to think about or believe that an innocent person can lose their child to the government for no good/substantial reason.

 

I don't know the details enough about this case to comment much on it.  But I do know that CPS can and will make a case against you for not vaccinating...even though they legally aren't supposed to be able to.  I also know that just because something like this doesn't make it to a major news station or paper, doesn't mean that it isn't true. 

 

I feel for the family, but I especially feel for the baby.


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Oh my God. 

 

From this link: http://significantimagery.com/wearechangekc/

 

 

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 Calob and Ashly had signed a religous waiver saying that Caden was not going to be vaccinated, they also decided to feed the baby an alternative Formula (Endo 24, supplemented with fish oil and IG factors, all natural hi quality Daniel chapter one products)

 

Edno 24:  http://www.danielchapterone.com/tempsite/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=127&Itemid=585

And nutrition info for it:  http://www.danielchapterone.com/tempsite/images/stories/SupplementFacts/Endo24_1lb_SF.jpg

 

Their nutrition info is based on about 350 calories.

 

That many calories of  breastmilk has about 6 grams of protein.  That many calories of Enfamil has about 9.5 grams of protein.   Whole cows milk is considered not appropriate for infants in part because it has too much protein; that many calories of whole milk would have about 18.  Edno 24?   29 grams of protein.  That is way too much for brand new kidneys to handle. 

 

That many calories of breastmilk has about 22 grams of fat.  That many calories of Enfamil has about 19 grams of fat for that many calories.  Edno 24 has all of 5 grams of fat. 

 

I know they supplementing with fish oil, but a tablespoon of cod liver oil has about 15 grams of fat, which would be enough to make up the difference for the 350 calorie "serving" but that's not enough calories for a day, so closer to two tablspoons would be needed.  Is it safe to give an infant that much fish oil?  Wouldn't it cause an upset stomach and digestive problems?  Not to mention vitamin A toxicity - that's like five times the RDA of vitamin  a for an adult.  

 

And doctors just randomly loaded him up with drugs and defibrillated him on a whim? Sure.  

 

Sounds like he was one sick kid, poor baby.  Hope he's doing better and his parents gain an ounce of sense.  

 

If they aren't breastfeeding and can't find safe donor milk, the best they can do is give him a widely used and well tested formula intended specifically for infants.  

 

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The article said that their paediatrician approved of their alternative formula.  Why isn't the paediatrician in jail for child abuse and neglect if the formula is insufficient?  Isn't he the hired, paid, educated consultant here?  The professional who knows all, tells all?

 

I agree she should be breastfeeding or find a wetnurse/donor millk.

 

The parents appeared, according to the article, to be in sync with all that was advised and all that is legal.  

 

Maybe something is missing, but the prima facia evidence is that the parents did nothing wrong.  

 

In my never to be humble opinion and lifelong experience with both sides of CPS, the agency acts on the evidence they are given and never apologize as they have no real legal liability.  Wonder who reported the parents?

 

You really think that does not happen?  Have you read the Godboldo case?  


Well the parents say the pediatrician approved anyway.  I have trouble believing that a doctor would ever approve of something so obviously not in line with an infant's nutritional needs, and if it did happen, I certainly hope that he is being investigated too.  I can see a possible scenario where the "approval" was actually the doctor arguing that it was a very bad idea for a bit, realizing that the parents were not going to be convinced, and saying "okay, well if that's what you really want to do, it's your choice"  and calling child services as soon as they were gone.  

 

I do not believe the parents intended any harm to their child, but they were feeding him a dangerously inappropriate diet, so yes, they were doing something very wrong. 

 

Wanting a child on a medication that is generally appropriate for her mental illness and has helped many others is not at all the same as randomly deffilibrating a perfectly healthy child who doesn't need it.  Taking a child off a medication that does not appear to be helping but is causing unpleasant side effects is not even in the same ballpark as failing to meet an infant's basic nutritional needs.  

 

I do wonder if there is a bit more to the Goboldo case than she is admitting, but I don't doubt that even if she didn't tell the whole story, the authorities acted wrongly to begin with.  She made it a million times worse when instead of calling a lawyer she pulled out a gun and fired a shot, though.  But the case really isn't comparable.  It's unlikely that taking her daughter off the medicine would be life threatening or cause permanent harm, both potential results for the diet the baby was being fed.  

 

There have been a number of cases of kids dying of diabetes or other treatable conditions because parents chose prayer over medicine, or of infants starving to death due to being put on unsuitable diets and medically neglected.  If only CPS had intervened in those cases, Mike Adams would now be screaming about a lack of respect for parental rights for them too, but the kids would still be alive.  I'm glad we got Mike Adams screaming in this case instead of another "parents watch obliviously as baby starves to death" headline.  

 

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That article makes it sound like they were just randomly sticking needles into the baby's head to torture it.

 

It's normal to use a vein in the scalp when babies need an IV. Their arms and legs are so tiny so sometimes it's harder to get access to the veins there. It's not like putting an IV into an adult.

 

The way they phrased that makes me think that article was written to scare people instead of to impart information.

 

EDIT: It also sounds like they returned the baby after a month. It really sounds like they took the baby to try to get him emergency medical care, and then returned him to the parents as soon as he got the care he needed. To me, that is not abusing their powers, it's using their powers to protect a child's well-being. That is what they are there for.

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Also, I see no mention in any of these articles that the baby was vaccinated while in care, or that part of the agreement for getting the child back was that they vaccinate.  There is not even any mention of the parents being harassed about vaccination.  Instead they were questioned about diet, their child was taken for testing and emergency medical care, and they were sent home with instructions on proper care.  Given the source, I'm sure if those instructions had included any instructions on vaccinating, they would have made a big deal about it.  

 

So why is this being blamed on their religious vaccine waiver instead of the obvious malnutrition/neglect?

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Those are all the same article, not exactly separate sources. As for the "needle in the head", it was probably necessary to get a vein on him due to severe dehydration. I am supportive of alternative lifestyles, but you can't kill your child through the process. 

 

I have successfully delayed/selectively vax'd my kids in three states now. The states have ranged from ultra conservative (Texas) to ultra Liberal (California) and never once has anyone done more then just advise me on why they suggest a certain vax schedule and worked with me to meet our needs as a family that goes just a little slower then normal.

 

As for Maryanne Godboldo, um, she shot at CPS officers. I would have taken her kid away too. Her child is in need of serious mental help and fromt he sounds of it, she is getting it and is now in the care of a relative. Thank Goodness the relative got there before they were able to sell the kid on the black market.eyesroll.gif


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Seems from reading the articles that the child was fed a very dangerous alternative formula that caused severe medical problems and the child was treated for that. Yes, it's very easy to make it sound scary when you think about a child that young going through standard medical care but frankly what the parents were doing to the kid is far more scary. And it's very misleading to blame it on them not vaxing when that's not the case at all

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shooting at a person (!!!) and presenting "needle in the head" as torture, vs. accepted IV procedure with infants, kind of messes with credibility of the whole thing. Don't you think? 

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I did wade through the article but must have missed it:

 

was the baby vaxxed while in CPS care?

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Well, I wonder if "agrees with the alternative formula" was really him telling them not to use it, them arguing and him finally saying "FINE, use it," and then calling CPS when they left.  The parents might have walked away thinking their doctor was totally on board. 

 

I really don't think the vaccine issue was why the baby was taken.  He was taken because the formula he was being fed would have killed him (that much protein will lead to kidney failure and that little fat will lead to FTT.)


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Edno 24:  http://www.danielchapterone.com/tempsite/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=127&Itemid=585

And nutrition info for it:  http://www.danielchapterone.com/tempsite/images/stories/SupplementFacts/Endo24_1lb_SF.jpg

 

Their nutrition info is based on about 350 calories.

 

That many calories of  breastmilk has about 6 grams of protein.  That many calories of Enfamil has about 9.5 grams of protein.   Whole cows milk is considered not appropriate for infants in part because it has too much protein; that many calories of whole milk would have about 18.  Edno 24?   29 grams of protein.  That is way too much for brand new kidneys to handle. 

 

That many calories of breastmilk has about 22 grams of fat.  That many calories of Enfamil has about 19 grams of fat for that many calories.  Edno 24 has all of 5 grams of fat. 

 

I know they supplementing with fish oil, but a tablespoon of cod liver oil has about 15 grams of fat, which would be enough to make up the difference for the 350 calorie "serving" but that's not enough calories for a day, so closer to two tablspoons would be needed.  Is it safe to give an infant that much fish oil?  Wouldn't it cause an upset stomach and digestive problems?  Not to mention vitamin A toxicity - that's like five times the RDA of vitamin  a for an adult.  


Oh my gosh, that's horrifying. I think it's a total distortion to even call that stuff "formula" - it looks like a protein supplement primarily intended for adults. I can't imagine how sick that poor baby must have gotten.

 

I strongly doubt that a pediatrician approved that specific "formula." If he was on board with it, who called CPS?


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Just a reminder to remain focused on the vax issue. If you wish to further explore infant nutrition or breastfeeding as it pertains to CPS intervention, please start new threads in appropriate forums.

Miriam, I'm not quite sure what your statement addressed to forum moderators was meant to imply. So as not to derail this discussion any further, you may certainly PM me at any time to discuss your concerns.
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So you are saying the doctor lied and turned them in to CPS behind their back? Then sent them a bill for his services. Seems like a failure in communication that the parents are bearing the brunt now. That is one of many reasons I do not trust doctors.  Trust is earned.  The medical community has not earned it from me. This happens too often.

 


I think she was throwing out a hypothetical and you are inferring an awful lot from it. You sound like you are highly suspicious of anyone in a white coat, but you take this article at full face. I cannot find any mention of it other then in "alternative" sites and all of them fail to list the parents last name. I would bet money that this article is completely fabricated. All mentions in google are of the same article, no last names, no real identifying information.

 

I think if you would like to lead credence to your cause, you should look for true cases of abuse by CPS, not made up ones. It just makes you look bad. It also hurts the cause of parents who truly try to do the best for their kids, even if it isn't mainstream.

 


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So, it sounds like this has nothing to do with vaxs.  I see no mention that the child was vaxed against the parents consent.  If the sources are to be believed, this seems to be about the child's nutritional health.  It seems like the nutrition he was being given was inadequate.  Whether this is the doctor's fault or the parent's is unknown.  But, either way CPS took him and gave him standard medical care (which you may or may not agree with) and he was returned to the parents. 

 

I don't see why this is in the vax forum. 


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I think she was throwing out a hypothetical and you are inferring an awful lot from it.

 


Thank you.  That is exactly what I was doing, throwing out a hypothetical.

 


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I think she was throwing out a hypothetical and you are inferring an awful lot from it. You sound like you are highly suspicious of anyone in a white coat, but you take this article at full face. I cannot find any mention of it other then in "alternative" sites and all of them fail to list the parents last name. I would bet money that this article is completely fabricated. All mentions in google are of the same article, no last names, no real identifying information.

 

I think if you would like to lead credence to your cause, you should look for true cases of abuse by CPS, not made up ones. It just makes you look bad. It also hurts the cause of parents who truly try to do the best for their kids, even if it isn't mainstream.

 



 

maybe they failed to mention the last name at the parents wishes.  how do you know it isn't true?  to me, its more believable than not.  And having nothing but mainly bad experiences for the last 25yrs in the medical community, yes i am suspicious too. Very suspicious. Esp after talking to the centarians about diseases and how they really were back in the 1920's...all these standard childhood diseases today being vaxed for were a routine thing for kids back then. What really killed the kids was the lack of antibiotics available at the time, due to secondary bacterial infection setting in which was caused by lack of cleanliness, sanitation, dirty water, etc...

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So, it sounds like this has nothing to do with vaxs.  I see no mention that the child was vaxed against the parents consent.  If the sources are to be believed, this seems to be about the child's nutritional health.  It seems like the nutrition he was being given was inadequate.  Whether this is the doctor's fault or the parent's is unknown.  But, either way CPS took him and gave him standard medical care (which you may or may not agree with) and he was returned to the parents. 

 

I don't see why this is in the vax forum. 



 


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maybe they failed to mention the last name at the parents wishes.  how do you know it isn't true?  to me, its more believable than not.  And having nothing but mainly bad experiences for the last 25yrs in the medical community, yes i am suspicious too. Very suspicious. Esp after talking to the centarians about diseases and how they really were back in the 1920's...all these standard childhood diseases today being vaxed for were a routine thing for kids back then. What really killed the kids was the lack of antibiotics available at the time, due to secondary bacterial infection setting in which was caused by lack of cleanliness, sanitation, dirty water, etc...

 

I find what you have written here very interesting.  My patients who are older than 80 always want EVERY vaccine available for them.  Pneumovax, flu shot yearly, shingles vaccine, tetanus boosters...  Everything.  They tell me that they want them because they remember life before vaccines.

 

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I find what you have written here very interesting.  My patients who are older than 80 always want EVERY vaccine available for them.  Pneumovax, flu shot yearly, shingles vaccine, tetanus boosters...  Everything.  They tell me that they want them because they remember life before vaccines.

 

I guess we just know different types of people.
 

 



i guess so.. the seniors i have taken care of,  about 75% of them have told me they think the flu vax is all a bunch of "hooey" and refuse to get it........ all of the people said the same thing: "it didn't work for them" or it "made them very ill" and they were never going to take it again...the other 25%firmly believe in it.  

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Head IV's are standard on very dehydrated infants The way the article was written it made it sound like they jammed a needle in the childs skull anyone with out medical knowledge would freak out.  Also SAYING a doctor was on board with the alternate formula and the doctor actually being on board are 2 different things.  Many people only hear what they want to hear.   I read the article and it didnt say they vaccinated the baby unless I missed it.  Our CPS are not evil around here I was licensed as a foster parent and my youngest 2 are very selectively vaccinated and they gave me no problems. My guess ( and its only a guess) is that they corrected all the imbalances caused by the formula and returned the child to the parents w/ monitoring in place.

I agree w/ the poster that listed the protein content it is WAY to much for an infant.


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A bit OT, but have you ever read Dr. Suzanne Humpheries, MD, internal medicine and nephrology:   http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/tag/suzanne-humphries/

 

Every time she got a patient with kidney failure, part of their recent health profile was always a recent flu vaccine.  She has decided to go into homeopathy.
 

 

 

The number one cause of kidney failure in the USA is diabetes.  The number two cause is hypertension.  Considering that most people with either one of those conditions is likely receiving a yearly flu shot, yup, there's a good chance that all of them had had a "recent" flu vaccine, like within the past year.

 

A perfect example of "correlation does not equal causation."

 

Kidney failure rarely happens overnight.  It happens over years to decades.  When it does happen overnight, it is usually REALLY obvious what did it (an infection, a medication, etc).
 

 

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