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TIG is not a vaccine, anymore than rhogham is.


Because you say so?  I guess you'd better tell the medical dictionary editors, the chemists and researchers who work on these "non-vaccines," then, as well as the patent offices who grant patents for these treatments, defining them as "vaccines."

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You know what?  Yes, because I say so. It's not a vaccine. It does not induce an antibody response. It is a suspension of antibodies. It is totally different than a vaccine!

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Seriously, people? Seriously? Can we please quit the bickering?

 

Thanks to those FEW of you who actually answered my question. I appreciate it. :)

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It's not bickering.  It's actually interesting.  Not something I think about often but interesting. 

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The word vaccine is a dirty word around here.  I'm beginning to wonder if I can use it as an insult.

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Seriously, people? Seriously? Can we please quit the bickering?

 

Thanks to those FEW of you who actually answered my question. I appreciate it. :)



This isn't really bickering. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work. Immunoglobulins are a form of passive immunity. They do not provoke an immune response. This is like saying breastmilk is actually a vaccine because it contains maternal antibodies that confer passive immunity on the baby. TIG is not a vaccine. Synagis is not a vaccine.

 

Taximom, you're quoting definitions without understanding what they mean.

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The difference between antigens and antibodies.

 

http://www.scienceclarified.com/Al-As/Antibody-and-Antigen.html

 

TIG is an antibody.  It is not a vaccine, and it does not contain antigenic proteins.

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TIG is not a vaccine, anymore than rhogham is.


Because you say so?  I guess you'd better tell the medical dictionary editors, the chemists and researchers who work on these "non-vaccines," then, as well as the patent offices who grant patents for these treatments, defining them as "vaccines."



I have actually searched for this and I couldn't find anywhere that called TIG a vaccine. I have also explained several times why it doesn't meet the criteria for a vaccine, under the definition you provided.

 

OP, I apologise for derailing your thread but I do consider this important. If you feel your original question wasn't answered and that this discussion is preventing it I am happy to open a new thread.


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She said her question was answered.  I think you're good to continue. 

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I have actually searched for this and I couldn't find anywhere that called TIG a vaccine. I have also explained several times why it doesn't meet the criteria for a vaccine, under the definition you provided.

 

OP, I apologise for derailing your thread but I do consider this important. If you feel your original question wasn't answered and that this discussion is preventing it I am happy to open a new thread.



 

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I haven't really found anywhere saying tig is a vax either. Here is the insert for one tig brand:

 

http://www.talecris-pi.info/inserts/hypertet.pdf

 

It does not refer to it anywhere as a vax, although it does call it a "passive immunization" as opposed to an "active immunization" - a vax.

 

I guess there are other immune globulin treatments as well - like for Rabies? what else? just outta curiousity?

 

I also checked the FDA list of approved vaccines in the US and tig is not listed there.

 

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I haven't really found anywhere saying tig is a vax either. Here is the insert for one tig brand:



 



http://www.talecris-pi.info/inserts/hypertet.pdf



 



It does not refer to it anywhere as a vax, although it does call it a "passive immunization" as opposed to an "active immunization" - a vax.



 



I guess there are other immune globulin treatments as well - like for Rabies? what else? just outta curiousity?



 



I also checked the FDA list of approved vaccines in the US and tig is not listed there.



 




 

 

Varicella and measles, off the top of my head.
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There's a lot, actually.

 

Here's an Aetna bulletin with information on a lot of immunoglobulin treatments (and, of course, when they'll pay for them)

 

http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/500_599/0544.html


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Would TIG be indicated for a shallow cat bite (indoor cat) in a child who received one dtap?

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Would TIG be indicated for a shallow cat bite (indoor cat) in a child who received one dtap?



Not IMO...but that is just me? Did the wound bleed at all? Did it get cleaned? Is it infected? Have you read/researched the numbers of tetanus cases? I think it is something like 90% of US cases were in people over 40 years of age (out of something like 100 cases)...I will see if I can find the link...but no, if it were me and my children...I wouldn't even think about it.

 


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Thanks loki! I actually had the NP check it out and she didn't think tetanus would be a worry at all. It did bleed a little and was disinfected a little later (DH was watching DS and didn't think much of it). It's been 24h and the wound isn't raised nor shows any other signs of infection. 

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Yes, it was bickering.

 

Furthermore, it was offensive to me as the OP who was asking a serious question on behalf of my child who I was concerned for, to have the entire thread spill into an argument over what is and what is not a vaccine. IF any of those involved in the argument had bothered to answer my question, which was the intent of this thread, I wouldn't have been so upset. But to just come in and start arguing back and forth, changing THE ENTIRE SUBJECT MATTER of my thread really insulted me.

 

We are supposed to be able to come here for information and support, and most of what I received in reply was something I never asked about to begin with.

 

 

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I'm sorry for offending you. I did actually consider my first post in this thread an answer to your question, I also apologise if it wasn't useful to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited because I didn't actually write what I meant.


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