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I found this thread very interesting, lots of discussion and lots of links

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/481760/do-you-know-how-vaccines-are-evaluated-for-safety-prepare-to-be-surprised

 

They address how vax are evaluated for safety, placebo use and why "true" placebo can not be used, the FDA's role in the process, etc.

 

I just finished reading through it and plan on going through to look at a lot of the links presented within. I'm not suggesting it be read for the sole purpose of making up someone's decision on one thread, but as a starting point to find info.

 

(disclosure - the thread is from 2006-2007 and has a pretty strong anti-vax vibe)

 

ETA: Maybe if anyone else knows about some great old MDC threads (full of info/links), we could make a list?

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Thanks for posting - yes a great thread. You know who Momtezuma Tautara is (was) don't you?

 

There are alot of great old threads with great info archived here - thank God we still have access to them!


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Thanks for posting - yes a great thread. You know who Momtezuma Tautara is (was) don't you?

 

Yes I found out smile.gif

 

I'm reading through some other old threads... they aren't that old and most of the links are still good!  

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Aluminum in Vaccines - Old MDC threads - 

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/815768/amount-of-aluminum-in-vaccines-detailed-list (need to read to end, the first figure for pentacel is not totally correct).

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/298412/workshop-by-dr-bob-sears-includes-aluminum#post_3265090

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/387481/struggling-to-understand-more-re-disc-autism-and-terms (post #7 specifically)

 

Interesting Links I found therein: (did not read all, skimmed most)

 

Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/pediatrics;97/3/413.pdf

 

 

Aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines transiently increase aluminium levels in murine brain tissue.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1608913?dopt=Abstract

 

 

Adverse reactions after injection of adsorbed diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) vaccine are not due only to pertussis organisms or pertussis components in the vaccine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1759487?dopt=Abstract

 

 

Induction of autoimmunity through bystander effects. Lessons from immunological disorders induced by heavy metals.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11334498?dopt=Abstract

 

 

Addressing Parents’ Concerns: Do Vaccines Contain Harmful Preservatives, Adjuvants, Additives, or Residuals?

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/112/6/1394.full

 

 

Thermodynamics of the interaction of aluminum ions with DNA: implications for the biological function of aluminum.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15833338?dopt=Abstract

 

 

Macrophagic myofasciitis lesions assess long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminium hydroxide in muscle.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11522584?dopt=Abstract

 

 

Aluminum inclusion macrophagic myofasciitis: a recently identified condition.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14753387?dopt=Abstract

 

 

Autoimmune hazards of hepatitis B vaccine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15722255?dopt=Abstract

 

 

Vaccination-induced cutaneous pseudolymphoma.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15793512?dopt=Abstract

 

 

and something interesting from jan 2012- 

 

Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations

http://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/223.abstract

 

 

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Here's a quick link to the archives:

http://www.mothering.com/community/f/69/vaccinations-archives

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Very cool, thanks for posting!  I don't even know where to start :)  

 

As a side note, while skimming some of these and other threads in the forum I'm struck by the unfortunate need to continually rehash certain basic arguments, and how that keeps dragging the discussion backward.  This is especially frustrating in the I'm Not Vaccinating forum, where one would hope (and the rules suggest) a discussion would progress without ardent pro-vaccinators interjecting.  

 

 


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Jenny, - yeah I am seeing the same thing, rehashing basic arguments/common misunderstandings. But there are always new people coming to the boards... I don't know if there is a way around that! I am new myself and have those common questions too! I agree, it sets conversation back everytime is has to be argued that ingested aluminum is not the same as injected, or about how vaccines are tested, or that pertussis vax does not stop transmission, or effectiveness of flu vax, etc... I guess that's why it's good to read some old threads!!! smile.gif

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1. http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

2. http://www.vaccinationdebate.net/web1.html

3. http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/Vaccines.html

4. http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ineffectiveness/index.asp?sv_id=22

5. http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Immunization%20Graphs%20PPT%20-%20RO%202009.pdf

6. http://vactruth.com/2010/12/18/take-off-the-billion-dollar-blindfold/

7. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118262

8. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/health/bmj-exposes-who-corruption-37268.html

9. http://www.zolkor.com/swineflu/swf0019.htm

10. http://i.bnet.com/blogs/cert-fda-letter-to-the-president-4-2-09-and-trans-team-1-7-09.pdf?tag=content;selector-perfector

11. http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2011/07/revisiting-james-murdoch-brian-deer.html

12. http://www.naturalnews.com/034038_vaccines_autism.html

13. http://vactruth.com/2009/12/24/advisers-on-vaccines-often-have-conflicts-report-says/

14. http://www.rense.com/general89/hor.htm

15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT7QHlOTCOU

16. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=H04

17. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15758

18. http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/merckdestroydoccritics/

19. http://sanevax.org/mercks-profits-explode-as-government-backed-hpv-shot-gardasil-sales-skyrocket/

20. http://vactruth.com/2010/06/28/merck-paying-experts-gardasil/

21. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00257.htm

22. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0502/S00064.htm

23. http://littlemountainhomeopathy.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/corrupt-drug-company-glaxosmithkline-to-distribute-canadian-swine-

flu-vaccine/

24. http://www.indymedia.ie/article/99767

25. http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/01/09/top-6-thugs-of-the-medical-world-how-big-pharma-steals-and-swindles/

26. http://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/top_earners

27. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_qz2beMaE

28. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAJb01ZiJNk&feature=feedu

29. http://www.novaccine.com/reactions-conditions/

30. http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/1547691X.2010.545086

31. http://iansvoice.org/default.aspx

32. http://sanevax.org/victims-2/vaccine-victims-memorial/

 

34. http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf

35. http://sanevax.org/gardasil-contamination-ema-steps-up-to-the-plate-fda-drops-the-ball

36. http://vactruth.com/2011/04/09/polio-vaccine-sv40-cancer/

37.http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary’s_Desk/post/Can_vaccines_become_cranial_and_immunological_cluster_bombs/

38. http://sanevax.org/bioethicists-not-so-ethical-when-it-comes-to-gardasil-injuries/

 

40. http://www.nvic.org/reportreaction.aspx

41. http://sanevax.org/vaers-report/

42. http://vaers.hhs.gov/resources/VAERS_Table_of_Reportable_Events_Following_Vaccination.pdf

43. http://www.medalerts.org/

44. http://therefusers.com/articles/crucial-evidence-for-vaccine-safety-is-missing-the-giant-has-been-sleeping/

45. http://vactruth.com/2011/02/14/fact-evidence-in-vaccine-induced-injury-cases-is-suppressed/

46. http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm

47. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/205170

48. http://www.profitableharm.com/pdf/SBS,%20a%20Physiologic%20Impossibility[1].pdf

49. http://vactruth.com/2010/01/26/are-mothers-natural-protectors-or-baby-killers-shaken-baby-syndrome-and-vaccines/

 

51. http://poisonevercure.150m.com/vaccines4_.htm

 

53. http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/category/vaccine-myths/

54. http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html

55. http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/

56. http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/vaccines/ingredients.htm

57. http://sanevax.org/sane-vax-inc-announces-the-discovery-of-viral-hpv-dna-contaminant-in-gardasil/

58. http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm

59. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/aborted_fetus_vaccines.htm

60. http://www.naturalnews.com/033834_vaccines_ingredients.html

61. http://jabs.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2855

62. http://vactruth.com/2011/08/23/vaccine-ingredients-non-ionic-surfactants-tween-80-triton-x-100-nonoxynol-9/

63. http://www.barbfeick.com/vaccinations/allergy/605-1gras.html

 

65. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/734891_3

66. http://sanevax.org/vaccines-and-the-myth-of-herd-immunity/

67. http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/24/secondary-transmission-%EF%BB%BFthe-short-and-sweet-about-live-virus-vaccine-shedding/

68. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC228449/

69. http://journal.livingfood.us/2011/10/09/new-study-vaccinated-children-have-2-to-5-times-more-diseases-and-disorders-than-

unvaccinated-children/

71. http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Vaccines/Thimerosal/Calculator.html

72. http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/vaccines/ingredients.htm

73. http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri6.htm

74. http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/734/9/

75. http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

76. http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Scott_Reuben_research_fraud.html#ixzz1NjIQv976

77. http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/110927

78. http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/080723

79. http://www.free-press-release.com/news-truth-about-gardasil-demands-department-of-justice-investigate-hpv-vaccines-part-1-of-3-1317134493.html

80. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2009/09/16/bogus-study-claims-gardasil-is-safe/

81. http://vactruth.com/2011/11/04/27-dirty-little-vaccine-secrets/

82. http://vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

83. http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Scott_Reuben_research_fraud.html

84. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/

85. http://www.whale.to/v/dr_lawrence.html

86. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/335872/title/Odds_Are,_Its_Wrong

 

88. http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/third.php

89. http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/various-graphs-that-prove

90. http://www.prisonplanet.com/vaccine-deaths-and-injuries-skyrocket-as-cover-up-implodes.html

91. http://medalerts.org/

92. http://sanevax.org/

93. http://www.nvic.org/

94. http://www.vactruth.com

95. http://vaccineresistancemovement.org

96. http://www.vaxtruth.com

97. http://www.cryshame.com/

98. http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/vids.php

99. http://gaia-health.com

100. http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html

101. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/205170

102. http://www.vaccinationnews.com/

103. http://canaryparty.org/

104. http://www.vaccineinjury.info

105. http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/

106. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/

107. http://vaccines.mercola.com/

108. http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html

 

110. http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/02/news/companies/pluggedin_fortune/index.htm

111. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uykFDR8USRg

 
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Emmy, thanks for posting all those links.  Most of them look good, but PLEASE don't use or quote whale.to--it's a very controversial site that posts anti-semitic and Holocaust-denial garbage.  Even though their vaccine info is ok, quoting whale.to does not bolster our argument, but drags it down, because the "other" side only has to say, "Oh, look, you're quoting a Holocaust-denial site, that means you must believe that the Holocaust didn't really happen, therefore your view on vaccines is equally insane."

 

If I were you, I'd copy the vaccine info on whale.to so you have it, and then do some internet digging and find the same studies and quotes SOMEWHERE ELSE.  And then never click on whale.to again, because every click on it supports the racism and hatred.

 

I've been told that there are similar issues with rense.com as well.  :(

 

Luckily, there are enough VALID sources of info that we don't need to resort to racists and haters.

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