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http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-09-05/vaccination-causes-diabetes/

 

 

 

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Diabetes was almost unknown in children, with the exception of a rare few born with it. However, it has become a modern-day scourge during the last 40 years. Although poor diets and lack of exercise are often blamed and certainly deserve some of the onus, evidence from scientific research points strongly to vaccines as the primary cause.
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I had the mumps, and my older brother was exposed. After I was well, our family doctot told my mother she needed to get my brother and I vaccinated and told her that free vaccinations were to be given at the high school. She took us for MMR shots, and sometime after that (within months at most), my brother became type 1 diabetic. The doctor blamed his exposure to me when I had the mumps. My mother believed that, because the doctor said it. This was back in the late 70's.
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http://www.diabetesandenvironment.org/home/other/vaccines

 

Environmental chemicals and vaccines

Vaccines are one instance where the presence of potentially toxic chemicals are included by design, not by accident. The vaccine preservative thimerosal, for example, is a mercury compound. The effect of thimerosal on the immune system is largely unknown (Havarinasab et al. 2005). A few Swedish researchers have tried to elucidate these effects in animal studies. One study showed, for example, that thimerosal exposure in mice was associated with the development of autoantibodies, and accelerated disease, at doses similar to those in infant vaccines (Havarinasab and Hultman 2006). Another found that thimerosal treatment of genetically susceptible mice leads first to an immunosuppression stage, followed by a second phase of immunostimulation and autoimmunity (Havarinasab et al. 2005). Thimerosal was removed from most childhood vaccines in 2001 in the U.S., but remains in some, such as some flu shots.
 
 
I know people who actually suspect the Hep B shot to have caused their Type 1 diabetes but who knows for sure!

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He had no problem with sugar until after the vaccination. The onset was sudden and severe. He had to be hospitalized. The question then is -- did his exposure to my illnes give him diabetes, or the vaccination. There was no doubt in the doctor's mind that the mumps virus was linked to diabetes. I don't know how many vaccinations (if any) he had received prior to that one. More data needs to be gathered.
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So nothing about the increase in high fructose corn syrup, or other processed foods over the same time frame? 


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So nothing about the increase in high fructose corn syrup, or other processed foods over the same time frame? 


High fructose corn syrup doesn't do anybody any good, I agree with that!

What about the number of cases where a vaccine was given and within hours, days, or a couple weeks there is a new and sudden problem? Is it always chalked up to coincidence? The same response can be given about high fructose corn syrup.
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Except high fructose corn syrup is in almost everything we eat, vaccines happen a few times in your life. 

 

It's easy to find rare occureances on the internet - people who have experiences them can group together. Doesn't mean they are any less rare though.... People do study these reactions and determine many of them are coincidences yes.

 

What physical mechanism causes a person to develop diabetes following an immunization which would differ from if there immune system were naturally exposed to toxins? That's the pertinent point here I think. 

 

There are physical mechanisms which link eating too much sugary, processed food (including HCFS) to the development of diabetes.... 


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Prosciencemum, a quote from the article:

 

 

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Poor diet and low exercise can not explain many facets of the epidemic including the onset in children 6 month of age, the protective effect of obesity on the incidence of type 1 diabetes and the epidemic of type 2 diabetes/metabolic syndrome in grass fed horses. Poor diet and exercise also do not explain the epidemic of type 1 diabetes in children that resembles the epidemic of type 2 diabetes/metabolic syndrome.5

How can one blame a baby under 6 months of age for obesity? How can one blame a grass-fed horse for developing metabolic syndrome or type 2 diabetes? Type 1 diabetes has never been laid at the door of poor lifestyle, yet it, too, has increased along with type 2 diabetes.

 

 

 


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I'm not blaming anyone (except perhaps the food industry) for obesity. 

 

Hasn't it been shown that children born to mothers who have had gestational diabetes (which is becoming common) are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. I had not realised children were getting type 2 now at age 6 months (type 1 being a completely different disease of course so unrelated to this discussion). 

 

This seems like a complete red herring for the vaccination debate. I just cannot see how it could be linked. 


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Yes, children of mothers who have gestational diabetes are more likely to get DM Type 2. And children born by c/s have an increased risk of developing DM Type 1. The link is not yet know but it is thought that it could be related to their guts being colonized with bacteria from the theatre staff rather than from the mother's GI tract as occurs in a vaginal birth.

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This seems like a complete red herring for the vaccination debate. I just cannot see how it could be linked. 

Diabetes can be linked to vaccination because it is an autoimmune condition. Vaccines cause autoimmune disease. No red herring there. 


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I'm not blaming anyone (except perhaps the food industry) for obesity. 

 

Hasn't it been shown that children born to mothers who have had gestational diabetes (which is becoming common) are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. I had not realised children were getting type 2 now at age 6 months (type 1 being a completely different disease of course so unrelated to this discussion). 

 

This seems like a complete red herring for the vaccination debate. I just cannot see how it could be linked. 

Using logic, it isn't hard to see that something that stimulates the immune system in an artificial way would be related to an autoimmune issue/disease.  I don't think it's as simple as vaccine = autoimmune issue, but logically, how could they not be connected?  

 

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Interesting topic, my hubbies 4 year old niece was just diagnosed with type 1, She is UTD on all vaccines and there is no history of Type 1 in her family.   She was the healthy on of the family, i.e, no allergies and or asthma. 


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I thought this was an interesting look at the issue.  I would have to research further and see what the body of evidence says, but it does look like vaccines might increase the chances of diabetes type 1 in those with a family history of type 1.

 

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/topedj/articles/V002/7TOPEDJ.pdf

 

 

edited to add:  a google search showed mixed reviews - some studies show an increase in type 1 diabetes with vaccination, some do not.  The bottom line for me would be any family with a history of type 1 diabetes should investigate the issue further before vaccinating.  My 2cents.gif  


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14679101

 

Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2003 Nov;1005:404-8.

Vaccinations may induce diabetes-related autoantibodies in one-year-old children.

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Division of Pediatrics, Department of Molecular and Clinical Medicine, Faculty of Health Sciences, Linköping University, Linköping, Sweden

 

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Autoimmunity. 2002 Jul;35(4):247-53.
 

Clustering of cases of insulin dependent diabetes (IDDM) occurring three years after hemophilus influenza B (HiB) immunization support causal relationship between immunization and IDDM.

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Classen Immunotherapies Inc., 6517 Montrose Avenue, Baltimore, MD 21212, USA. classen@vaccines.ne

 

http://www.vaccines.net/mechanis.htm

Mechanism of vaccine induced diabetes and autoimmunity

 

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/vaccine-induced-inflammation-linked-to.html

Vaccine Induced Inflammation Linked to Type 2 Diabetes Epidemic

 

I'm guessing that any studies that purport to show no link were funded by the pharmaceutical industry, and were purposely set up to show no link.

 

 

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Using logic, it isn't hard to see that something that stimulates the immune system in an artificial way would be related to an autoimmune issue/disease.  I don't think it's as simple as vaccine = autoimmune issue, but logically, how could they not be connected?  

 

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I've never thought of diabetes as an auto-immune disease. Are we talking type 1 or type 2 (I do understand they are completely different). 1 is a failure to produce insulin at all right - 2 is to do with your body not correctly regulating insulin production. Where does the immune system come in? 


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My quote feature is not working atm, but I somewhat agree with Taxi that studies that show no link between vaccines and diabetes might have been set up by the pharmaceutical industry.  You really do have to look at who funds a study and possible conflicts-of-interest before accepting their conclusions.  


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I've never thought of diabetes as an auto-immune disease. Are we talking type 1 or type 2 (I do understand they are completely different). 1 is a failure to produce insulin at all right - 2 is to do with your body not correctly regulating insulin production. Where does the immune system come in? 

Hmmm, I'm thinking.  I don't remember what/where I read what I did that made me say it's autoimmune.  I'm not sure what the definition of autoimmune is either, so that may complicate things (becuase I believe that much more relates to the immune system/gut function than conventional/mainstream medicine, etc. thinks is related to it).  

 

I have more to say on the immune system, but I don't have time to type it all out & make it understandable.  I'll think about the above though. 

 

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I've never thought of diabetes as an auto-immune disease. Are we talking type 1 or type 2 (I do understand they are completely different). 1 is a failure to produce insulin at all right - 2 is to do with your body not correctly regulating insulin production. Where does the immune system come in? 

 

Both diseases are autoimmune in nature.

 

If you didn't read the article here is another quote from it:

 

 

 

Dr Classen states:
There are simultaneous epidemics of type 1 and type 2 diabetes/metabolic syndrome in children and a single cause is likely. Evidence has been presented that that type diabetes and type 2 diabetes/metabolic syndrome are opposite extremes of an immune mediated disorder induced by a rise in iatrogenic immune stimulation. The current data further supports previously published evidence that type 1 and type 2 diabetes are opposite ends of an immune spectrum disorder.

 

 

 

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Type 2 diabetes is in the process of being redefined as an autoimmune disease rather than just a metabolic disorder, said an author of a new study published in Nature Medicine this week, the findings of which may lead to new diabetes treatments that target the immune system instead of trying to control blood sugar.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/222766.php

 

 

 

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Definition: Insulin dependent diabetes mellitus (type 1) is an inflammatory autoimmune disease of the pancreas, resulting in a lack of insulin.

 

 

 

http://autoimmune.pathology.jhmi.edu/diseases.cfm?systemid=3&diseaseid=23


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Diabetes can be linked to vaccination because it is an autoimmune condition. Vaccines cause TRIGGER autoimmune disease. No red herring there. 

 

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I've never thought of diabetes as an auto-immune disease. Are we talking type 1 or type 2 (I do understand they are completely different). 1 is a failure to produce insulin at all right - 2 is to do with your body not correctly regulating insulin production. Where does the immune system come in? 
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Type one diabetes has always been classified as autoimmune. Insulin-producing cells in the pancreas are distroyed by the body. There may be more than one trigger for this. Viruses have strongly implicated and newly diagnosed Type one diabetics may have a recent history of viral illness.

Type two diabetes was previously thought to be a metabolic disorder. It is usually a combination of reduced insulin production by the pancreas and increased insulin resistance in the tissues. Both were thought to be related to age nd lifestyle factors. It is now thought that the immune system has a role in causing insulin resistance in the tissues, hence the call for reclassification as an autoimmune disease. It isn't yet clear what may trigger the immune system to cause insulin resistance.

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Thanks I stand corrected on Type 1. Wikipedia article on it backs you up too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus_type_1

 

It's interesting to learn about new research on type 2 as well. I had GD, so am at increased risk of Type 2 unfortunately, as are both my kids. 

 

However, the tiny amount of research I've done suggests the verdict is as best out on if there is a link between vaccines and diabetes. For example I stumbled across this (posted in another thread here) which is a review of safety studies of vaccines. 

 

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13164

 

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the evidence shows that vaccines do not cause several conditions. For example, the MMR vaccine is not associated with autism or childhood diabetes. Also, the DTaP vaccine is not associated with diabetes and the influenza vaccine given as a shot does not exacerbate asthma.

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Thanks I stand corrected on Type 1. Wikipedia article on it backs you up too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus_type_1

It's interesting to learn about new research on type 2 as well. I had GD, so am at increased risk of Type 2 unfortunately, as are both my kids. 

However, the tiny amount of research I've done suggests the verdict is as best out on if there is a link between vaccines and diabetes. For example I stumbled across this (posted in another thread here) which is a review of safety studies of vaccines. 

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13164

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the evidence shows that vaccines do not cause several conditions. For example, the MMR vaccine is not associated with autism or childhood diabetes. Also, the DTaP vaccine is not associated with diabetes and the influenza vaccine given as a shot does not exacerbate asthma.

I'm delighted that wiki supports my 16 years of clinical practice and post-graduate study winky.gif

I also have GD this time around so am taking more of an interest in DM Type II than I ever have previously.

However I'm making no claims either way about the vaccine link as I haven't looked into it at all. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility but, as I say, it's not something I've looked at. I really only responded to this thread to clarify the diabetes question.

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I'm delighted that wiki supports my 16 years of clinical practice and post-graduate study winky.gif

 

LOL! I'm a skeptic - so like to double check stuff, and I didn't know you had 16 years of clinical practice and post-graduate study. You should be proud of me for not just trusting the word of someone on the internet! ;) 

 

I appreciate the help with my understanding. :) 


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I'm delighted that wiki supports my 16 years of clinical practice and post-graduate study winky.gif

LOL! I'm a skeptic - so like to double check stuff, and I didn't know you had 16 years of clinical practice and post-graduate study. You should be proud of me for not just trusting the word of someone on the internet! wink1.gif 

I appreciate the help with my understanding. smile.gif 

:-) I am proud of you. I would have checked too.

And you are most welcome.
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