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Shots in the Dark: Silence On Vaccine by an award winning film maker Lina B. Moreco examines current controversy surrounding vaccination. Although, controversy over vaccinations is not new, current childhood immunization schedules include twice the amount of vaccines compared to 25 years ago, with multiple vaccines given simultaneously being the norm. In addition, elements used in the preparation of vaccines such as mercury and aluminum have not been tested for safety in humans since the early 1920’s. These facts, along with the increase in diagnosed cases of autism spectrum disorders and learning disabilities, coupled with the striking similarity in parental and physician post vaccination observations, direct the film’s exploration of the contention between government agencies, legal authorities, watch dog associations, drug companies, physicians, parents, and children.

 

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Pls spread this video to all your friends and families. Say no to VACCINE!

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 It looks like an intereresting video, but we should all be ready to watch skeptically. 

 

For example I'd like to share a couple of factual corrections to the self described "facts" in the above abstract:

 

 

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current childhood immunization schedules include twice the amount of vaccines compared to 25 years ago, with multiple vaccines given simultaneously being the norm.

 

 The current childhood schedule has a lower number of antigens (the things your immune system reacts to) than ever before. This is due to the improvements in vaccine manufacture which allow the most important bits to be included. This is from the vaccine course at coursera (video on the alternative vaccination schedule): 

 

 

1900 small pox - 200 antigens in this one vaccine alone.

1980 whole cell pertussis vaccines had ~3000 antigens. 

 

Neither of these are currently used, and total number of antigens in all childhood vaccines in 2012 is 150-153. 

 

 

 

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In addition, elements used in the preparation of vaccines such as mercury and aluminum have not been tested for safety in humans since the early 1920’s.

 

 Mercury containing salts were removed from childhood vaccines starting in 2000 (see the CDC about this), and currently are only included in some adult vaccines including flu shots sold in multi-vials (not the individually sold shots). In any case mercury containing salts are to mercury what table salt is to chlorine and sodium. I would not recommend ingesting either chlorine or sodium, but table salt (in small doses) is pretty tasty. :) 

 

Also from my vaccine course notes about aluminium: 

 

 

Aluminium salts in vaccines are there to improve immune response, and allow less of the immune response making agent to be included in the vaccine.

 

Aluminium is the 3rd most abundant element on Earth's surface, and in everything around us. Also in many foods - and used as an additive (processed cheese, pancake mix for example). Also in breast milk.

 

A typical 6 month old baby will get - 4mg from vaccine, breast milk 10 mg (formula 30 mg, soy formula 100 mg). 

 

100% absorbed from vaccination, 1% from ingestion and the aluminum is eliminated (but not completely).

So adding this all up, but the end of 1st year the aluminium accumulation from breast milk and vaccine is comparable (0.1 mg)

 

Aluminium is demonstrably dangerous - but only in people with kidneys not working well and in presence of big doses of aluminium. 


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Don't tell me we have to have the ingested vs injected conversation again.  Water can be ingested, but not injected.  If water can't be injected without cause massive damage, why can any amount of Aluminium salts be safe?


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Don't tell me we have to have the ingested vs injected conversation again.  Water can be ingested, but not injected.  If water can't be injected without cause massive damage, why can any amount of Aluminium salts be safe
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Sure water can be injected. D5W is used all the time as an IV solution. It's just dextrose and water
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I wasn't talking water as an ingredient mix with other things, pure water will cause red blood cell death, if put directly in the veins it will quickly dilute to non toxic levels but some damage will occur if the speed is too quick.  I was speaking of pure water injected into the muscles in the same way that a shot would be.  


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 It looks like an intereresting video, but we should all be ready to watch skeptically. 

 

For example I'd like to share a couple of factual corrections to the self described "facts" in the above abstract:

 

 

 

 The current childhood schedule has a lower number of antigens (the things your immune system reacts to) than ever before. This is due to the improvements in vaccine manufacture which allow the most important bits to be included. This is from the vaccine course at coursera (video on the alternative vaccination schedule): 

 

 

1900 small pox - 200 antigens in this one vaccine alone.

1980 whole cell pertussis vaccines had ~3000 antigens. 

 

Neither of these are currently used, and total number of antigens in all childhood vaccines in 2012 is 150-153. 

 

 

 

 

 Mercury containing salts were removed from childhood vaccines starting in 2000 (see the CDC about this), and currently are only included in some adult vaccines including flu shots sold in multi-vials (not the individually sold shots). In any case mercury containing salts are to mercury what table salt is to chlorine and sodium. I would not recommend ingesting either chlorine or sodium, but table salt (in small doses) is pretty tasty. :) 

 

Also from my vaccine course notes about aluminium: 

 

 

Aluminium salts in vaccines are there to improve immune response, and allow less of the immune response making agent to be included in the vaccine.

 

Aluminium is the 3rd most abundant element on Earth's surface, and in everything around us. Also in many foods - and used as an additive (processed cheese, pancake mix for example). Also in breast milk.

 

A typical 6 month old baby will get - 4mg from vaccine, breast milk 10 mg (formula 30 mg, soy formula 100 mg). 

 

100% absorbed from vaccination, 1% from ingestion and the aluminum is eliminated (but not completely).

So adding this all up, but the end of 1st year the aluminium accumulation from breast milk and vaccine is comparable (0.1 mg)

 

Aluminium is demonstrably dangerous - but only in people with kidneys not working well and in presence of big doses of aluminium. 

You didn't add any factual corrections.  

 

It is still a FACT that the vaccine schedule has more than doubled, no matter how many antigens are included in each injection.  It's simply a red herring to attempt to divert attention to the number of antigens rather than the number of actual vaccines.

 

Babies are being receiving thimerosal in utero, as the majority of flu shots are still sold in single-use vials (how interesting that you should phrase it as, "individually sold shots," which implies that any individual paying for a flu shot would be given a thimerosal-free one, which is obviously not the case).  As flu shots are now routinely given to women in all stages of pregnancy, and thimerosal crosses the placenta (and blood-brain barrier), most babies have already been "given" thimerosal before birth.  

 

And then they receive thimerosal-preserved flu shots at age 6 months, and every year after that. FluMist is contraindicated for children under 3, and  most parents opt for the shots rather than the thimerosal-free FluMist after that because the FluMist can cause mild flu symptoms.  Most parents don't bother asking for thimerosal-free flu shots for themselves or for their children, because they have been told (incorrectly) that thimerosal has been "removed" from all shots.

 

And I guess we need to add a couple of corrections to your "facts" on aluminum from your vaccine course notes.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21568886

 

Abstract

Aluminum is an experimentally demonstrated neurotoxin and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant. Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminum adjuvants, medical science's understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor. There is also a concerning scarcity of data on toxicology and pharmacokinetics of these compounds. In spite of this, the notion that aluminum in vaccines is safe appears to be widely accepted. Experimental research, however, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences. In our opinion, the possibility that vaccine benefits may have been overrated and the risk of potential adverse effects underestimated, has not been rigorously evaluated in the medical and scientific community. We hope that the present paper will provide a framework for a much needed and long overdue assessment of this highly contentious medical issue.

Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations

rm carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences. In our opinion, the possibility that vaccine benefits may have been overrated and the risk of potential adverse effects underestimated, has not been rigorously evaluated in the medical and scientific community. We hope that the present paper will provide a framework for a much needed and long overdue assessment of this highly contentious medical issue.

http://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/223

 

 

http://www.discoverymedicine.com/Hedi-Orbach/2010/02/04/vaccines-and-autoimmune-diseases-of-the-adult/

Abstract: Infectious agents contribute to the environmental factors involved in the development of autoimmune diseases possibly through molecular mimicry mechanisms. Hence, it is feasible that vaccinations may also contribute to the mosaic of autoimmunity. Evidence for the association of vaccinations and the development of these diseases is presented in this review. Infrequently reported post-vaccination autoimmune diseases include systemic lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory myopathies, multiple sclerosis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, and vasculitis. In addition, we will discuss macrophagic myofasciitis, aluminum containing vaccines, and the recent evidence for autoimmunity following human papilloma virus vaccine.

 

 

 

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