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Thanks to Mirzam for finding this!

 

http://www.vaccinerights.com/pdf/2-27-12Letter-to-US-Pediatricians.pdf

 

He doesn't mess around;  he begins with

 

"Dear Pediatricians:

Physicians who refuse to treat unvaccinated children due to a parent’s exercise of a lawful exemption to immunizations may be violating the parent’s Constitutional rights and state ethical rules, and risking liability and/or sanctions accordingly.1, 2"

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You're welcome! Thanks for starting a separate thread.


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I am greatly interested in this statement: "Non-immune vaccinated kids greatly outnumber vaccinated kids."

His cited source is a natural news article, which makes me sad. greensad.gif

Anyone have any good sources for this?

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I am greatly interested in this statement: "Non-immune vaccinated kids greatly outnumber vaccinated kids."

His cited source is a natural news article, which makes me sad. greensad.gif

Anyone have any good sources for this?

The statement didn't say that, what was written was: 

 

non-immune vaccinated kids greatly outnumber exempt kids (not vaccinated kids). The article referenced in Natural News is one the author wrote himself.

 

 

 

 

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"No vaccine is 100% effective. Most routine childhood vaccines are effective for 85% to 95% of recipients. For reasons related to the individual, some will not develop immunity."[2] (Note that they blame the "individual", and not the vaccines. Regardless, the CDC says this is why the majority of outbreaks occur in vaccinated children.) In contrast, national exemption rates run about 1% - 2.5% on average.[3] But we needn't be concerned about either, since 100% immunity is not required for all to be protected. Furthermore, just as vaccinated children are not necessarily immune, exempt children aren't necessarily lacking immunity. Many exempt children develop natural immunity, and according to the CDC, they don't have to get sick for that to happen.[4] The bottom line is, you can't determine the immunity status of any given individual child by the child's vaccination status alone. But with the herd immunity theory, we don't need to; we need only be concerned with a populations' vaccination status collectively.

 


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035024_vaccine_exemptions_children_infectious_disease.html#ixzz284xJIeod


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The statement didn't say that, what was written was: 

 

non-immune vaccinated kids greatly outnumber exempt kids (not vaccinated kids). The article referenced in Natural News is one the author wrote himself.

 

 

 

 

 


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035024_vaccine_exemptions_children_infectious_disease.html#ixzz284xJIeod

 

That's what I meant.  I was on my phone, sorry.  So do you know if there a more reliable source for that assertion?


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The statement didn't say that, what was written was: 

 

non-immune vaccinated kids greatly outnumber exempt kids (not vaccinated kids). The article referenced in Natural News is one the author wrote himself.

 

 

 

 

 


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035024_vaccine_exemptions_children_infectious_disease.html#ixzz284xJIeod

 

That's what I meant.  I was on my phone, sorry.  So do you know if there a more reliable source for that assertion?

He wrote the article and got the info from the CDC. It is explained in the footnotes.


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He wrote the article and got the info from the CDC. It is explained in the footnotes.

 

See, now I respect Alan Philips.  I really do.  He's a great person...I even had the pleasure of speaking with him on the phone for about an hour several years ago.  But I don't know why on earth he would cite Natural News as a source in his open letter.  Seems like he's just asking for trouble.  Why not find the info directly from the CDC and quote them?  No one could argue with the CDC as a source.


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See, now I respect Alan Philips.  I really do.  He's a great person...I even had the pleasure of speaking with him on the phone for about an hour several years ago.  But I don't know why on earth he would cite Natural News as a source in his open letter.  Seems like he's just asking for trouble.  Why not find the info directly from the CDC and quote them?  No one could argue with the CDC as a source.

You make a very good point, and one that I have made several times to vactruth.org, where writer Christina England cites herself and whale.to as sources.  People there were so incensed that I dared to criticize, I was immedfiately accused of being a Pharma shill for doing so.

 

I don't understand why they can't see that, if it's possible to quote the CDC , obviously that makes a far stronger statement than quoting white supremacist hate sites.

 

I think the problem is, there is no money, or very little, in reporting for vactruth.org, and even less money in creating an open letter for pediatricians.  The pharmaceutical industry can afford to hire the best of the best to write, ghostwrite, and report whatever they tell them to.  The vaccine safety critics are stuck with whoever is willing.  And in spite of being on the side of the truth, they often lack good training and/or talent.

 

Unfortunately, a good part of this battle comes down to effective propaganda, which the pharmaceutical industry perfected several deades ago. 

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"Dear Pediatricians:

Physicians who refuse to treat unvaccinated children due to a parent’s exercise of a lawful exemption to immunizations may be violating the parent’s Constitutional rights and state ethical rules, and risking liability and/or sanctions accordingly.1, 2"

Key phrase: "lawful exemption". It's been discussed here on MDC that many anti-vaxxers do not have lawful exemptions. They believe it's OK to break the law in order to prevent their child from being vaccinated.

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Key phrase: "lawful exemption". It's been discussed here on MDC that many anti-vaxxers do not have lawful exemptions. They believe it's OK to break the law in order to prevent their child from being vaccinated.

 

"Many"?  No, you misunderstood.  A few said they would do whatever they needed to in order to keep their children safe, and if that means getting an unlawful exemption, they would.  They didn't say that they had done so.

 

I would highly doubt that "many" non-vaxxers have unlawful exemptions.

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Key phrase: "lawful exemption". It's been discussed here on MDC that many anti-vaxxers do not have lawful exemptions. They believe it's OK to break the law in order to prevent their child from being vaccinated.

Keep in mind that many people do not need an exemption of any kind, since exemptions are only applied through schools or daycares and many parents who do not use such facilities require no exemption at all. I wish Alan Phillips had addressed this fact in his letter.

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Key phrase: "lawful exemption". It's been discussed here on MDC that many anti-vaxxers do not have lawful exemptions. They believe it's OK to break the law in order to prevent their child from being vaccinated.

First of all, you are jumping to the conclusion that "many anti-vaxxers do not have lawful exemptions." That has not been stated on MDC, and you are not in a position to determine anyone's religious beliefs.

Secondly, I'd like to point out that in recent history, there have been many examples of doctors erroneously believing that invasive procedures are safe and effective. A partial list: frontal lobotomies, hysterectomies for depression, routine tonsillectomies, antibiotics for ear infections/colds/mild viruses, mercurochrome for skin cuts,

From the 1920's through the 1970's, doctors instructed new mothers that formula feeding was better than breast feeding. As late as the 1990's, the standard doctor-given advice to new breastfeeding mothers was to use a modified formula schedule of feeding every 2-3 hours. Some doctors are STILL unaware that breatmilk can digest as quickly as 30 minutes.

In the 1980's, many OBGYNs told all pregnant women, regardless of starting weight, that they should not gain more than a total of 15 pounds.

People with celiac disease were, until the decade, told that they had "IBS," and put on medications (often including antidepressants), allowing years of damage from gluten. Even today, the standard of care involves an intestinal biopsy for diagnosis, rather than the safer and more accurate combination of bloodwork and dietary response.

Imagine if routine tonsillectomies were mandated, in order to curb the spread of "dangerous" infections.

Or if co-sleeping were declared illegal. After all, the current mandate--and accompanying propaganda, including billboards that have gone up this year--is "ABC: babies should sleep Alone, on their Backs, in a Crib."

And let's remember, too, that the schools, along with the media, do not mention, EVER, that exemptions are even possible. Pediatricians are refusing to treat unvaccinated children--with no mention of children who have had previous adverse reactions to vaccines.

Imagine if pediatricians refused to treat a child whose tonsils had not first been removed.
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Key phrase: "lawful exemption". It's been discussed here on MDC that many anti-vaxxers do not have lawful exemptions. They believe it's OK to break the law in order to prevent their child from being vaccinated.

No it hasn't. That's what YOU have conveniently taken away from any previous discussions about it.

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