I thought this was an excellent article which contains a great deal of information - do follow the links and watch the videos.
"If you find from your own experience that something is a fact and it contradicts what some authority has written down, then you must abandon the authority and base your reasoning on your own findings"~ Leonardo da Vinci
I followed this link (love the title!) and thought it was great.
I appreciated how it spoke of how some people were initially forced into an all or nothing position - often by how exemptions were laid out, or by doctors who were reluctant to work with people who questioned vaccines.
I suspect strongly that if a system is immovable when confronted by a sel/del parents - the parents (assuming they have the resources) are more likely to move towards not vaxxing than vaxxing. No one likes having their hand forced. I think all parents want parental choice (at least for themselves; some do not think others should have it)
It's so obvious, isn't it, that science is actually showing that vaccines are NOT safe and effective, while the pharmaceutical industry is doing their best to pull off "Tobacco Science" and convince everyone to buy their products.
Not at all to me. And I am here, and I do listen to all the things which are posted here from anti-vax sources. And I'm completely unconvinced. I'll have to go back to the conspiracy theory point. If a person is are anti-vax the only way I can understand it is that either they think that all doctors/nursers/scientists working in health are stupid and being duped by the pharamacuetical companies, or they think they're all in it together and it's a massive conspiracy to harm children.
The best discussion of this I've found is by Science at Home blog: http://science-at-home.org/conspiracy/
And it's for a tiny profit (on pharmaceutical company scales) too. For example:
from John's Hopkins (about vaccine shortages) claims:
I just can't see how it's worth it to them. Yes I agree they have some dubious practices, but I'd be getting more angry about the huge price of cancer drugs and why they spend so much money researching viagra and so little on malaria - not the vaccination program which has saved literally millions.
Edited to remove anything which looks a "little personal". :)
Mother of two living in UK. Daughter (2007) born in USA, son (2010) born here. I'm pro natural birth, midwife care, breastfeeding, co-sleeping, baby wearing and a keen advocate of cloth diapering. I'm a full time working research scientist (physical sciences) and I'm pro-vaccine.
Mi vida loca: full-time WOHM, frugalista, foodie wannabe, 10+ years of TCOYF
R-E-S-P-E-C-T spells BRAND NEW User Agreement!!
Not at all to me. And I am here, and I do listen to all the things you guys post from anti-vax sources. And I'm completely unconvinced. I'll have to go back to the conspiracy theory point. Either you think that all doctors/nursers/scientists working in health are stupid and being duped by the pharamacuetical companies, or you think they're all in it together and it's a massive conspiracy to harm children. Which is it?
"You guys" is painting with fairly broad strokes.
In any event: no to the conspiracy theory thing. You have done your research, I have done mine (most of which came from such places as CDC, Who, Cochrane, Pubmed) and we have come to different conclusions. That is it.
I don't love pharmaceutical companies…but I don't love most large corporations. Their primary goal is money - they are not your friends, and they are not in it for your interests.
As per doctors/scientist/nurses being stupid and duped…nah. I think some doctors and nurses are very knowledgable on vaccines - and some are not. It somewhat depends on where their interests lie. I expect most scientists working on vaccines know a lot about vaccines - or at least the part they are working on! HCP have a different mandate than parents when it comes to vaccines. Their mandate is public health - and they definitely do consider things like herd immunity. From that POV I completely understand why they are pro vaccine. I have a different mandate - to protect my child. Looking at the known risks of vaccines versus the likelihood of catching VPD's and having a bad reaction from the VPD, I have come to the conclusion it is safer to remain unvaxxed.