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If you want to try to pretend that that sentence ("both vaccines may) provide...long-term protection"]means that "protection against HPV hasn't budged," go right ahead.
And the "crucial last line" is "Ongoing monitoring is essential." That doesn't mean "protection against HPV hasn't budged," either.
Fascinating, how you interpret everything to mean, "Totally safe! Totally effective!"

Taxi, you're missing the point of SkewedD's post. SkewedD read the actual article, not just the abstract, and is talking about the actual evidence presented in the article, rather than doing picky textual analysis on the abstract. 

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Taxi, you're missing the point of SkewedD's post. SkewedD read the actual article, not just the abstract, and is talking about the actual evidence presented in the article, rather than doing picky textual analysis on the abstract. 

Can the actual information be posted here so we can crunch the numbers and review the infomation ourselves? I find it insulting that actual data is rarely provided, and condescension and insults are tossed out instead of information.
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It's not whether anyone "disagrees" with VAERS reports or not, it is whether they are caused by or coincident to the vaccine. The only adverse event that has been demonstrated to be caused by HPV vaccine is syncope (fainting). The rest are coincidental.




I find it extremely disturbing that you state with much authority that "the rest are coincidental," when the fact is, you have no idea whether they are coincidental or not because they have not been followed up.

Some of those reports involved girls who either had syncope or seizures while driving , and died in the resultant car crash. The cause of death was listed as "car accident," which was clearly related to the HPV shot, but according to the parents of the girls, Merck refused to even look into it.

And you call it a coincidence, and insult anyone who points to a coverup.
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So, are you categorizing all men as sex crazed machines?   That's a pretty bold statement you make right there, insinuating that the men are the ones out contracting and spreading VD...virginal bride??  LOL....how about a virginal man?  

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This actually makes me physically ill to think about. I know that the earth is filled with judgmental people who don't have much of a grasp on reality, but this doesn't even make sense. It only takes one partner to contract HPV. One. Even if one wants to stick with the "virginal bride" model, the odds are pretty good that her future hubby is out contracting HPV right now. Further, several scientific studies have shown that HPV vaccine has no effect on "sexual responsibility". And those who subscribe to this thought pattern need to check themselves, because no one deserves to get cancer because they had premarital sex (and as I said above, intercourse is not required for HPV transmission).

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Can the actual information be posted here so we can crunch the numbers and review the infomation ourselves? I find it insulting that actual data is rarely provided, and condescension and insults are tossed out instead of information.


http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/vaccines/RomanowskiHV7-2.pdf

 

It wasn't difficult to find.


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SkewedD, edit your last post to be more respectful or I will have to delete it. Your mental health crack is disrespectful and over the line.

Taximom, edit post #101 to remove the personally targeted comment at the end. That is also disrespectful and over the line.

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http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/vaccines/RomanowskiHV7-2.pdf

 

It wasn't difficult to find.

From the conclusion of that study:

 

"Long-term efficacy and any possible need for a booster vaccination with one or both vaccines are not yet established. However, lack of longer follow-up data should not delay institution of vaccination programs combined with continued screening and ongoing monitoring of the impact of vaccination…...

 

Conflicts of Interest

The author’s academic institution or corporation has received research support, honoraria and consultancy fees from GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals and Merck & Co. and conference sponsorship from GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals."

 

The numbers of years of effectiveness cited are 5 and 8.4. 

 

  

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Taxi we've been through this before. Follow up is a signal that is then invesigated with a study, its not men in black suits should show up at your house after you make a report to vaers with a portable MRI or something. You don't know that those reports weren't followed up on.
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Whoah! I was typing my response before you posted yours, and by the time I clicked submit, you had already posted.


 
 
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If my current edit isn't sufficient please let me know and I'll edit more, or just delete it. It was sincerely not meant as bait, although in retrospect it was poorly conceived.
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http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/vaccines/RomanowskiHV7-2.pdf

It wasn't difficult to find.

It has nothing to do with how difficult it is to find. It has to do with everyone providing information that is upfront and respectful that supports the claims being made. That was, I was informed during the summer, the standard here. Have the rules changed? Or maybe there's a separate set of rules for the pro-vax folks?

This 'discussion' is getting out of hand, and is hardly helpful to those who are seeking information to make a decision.

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SkewedD, I am removing your ability to post on this thread due to refusing to abide by the rules.
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It has nothing to do with how difficult it is to find. It has to do with everyone providing information that is upfront and respectful that supports the claims being made. That was, I was informed during the summer, the standard here. Have the rules changed? Or maybe there's a separate set of rules for the pro-vax folks?
This 'discussion' is getting out of hand, and is hardly helpful to those who are seeking information to make a decision.
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If someone references a study, it should be fair to assume she's familiar with what's in the study and can discuss the content of the study, instead of the wording of the abstract.


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I was informed in the summer that if I reference a study, or make a comment, I needed to provide a link to the study or article being referenced or supporting my comment. I accepted those rules. But if I must follow them, so do the pro-vax contingent.
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The link had already been posted to the study.
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And it was actually taxi who quoted the abstract without linking to the study, then I found the link and posted it.
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I find it extremely disturbing that you state with much authority that "the rest are coincidental," when the fact is, you have no idea whether they are coincidental or not because they have not been followed up.
Some of those reports involved girls who either had syncope or seizures while driving , and died in the resultant car crash. The cause of death was listed as "car accident," which was clearly related to the HPV shot, but according to the parents of the girls, Merck refused to even look into it.
And you call it a coincidence, and insult anyone who points to a coverup.

 

These were vaers reports?  I was curious how common these were, so ran quick page searches for "car" and "vehicle" and "accident" on each of the thirteen pages of results for a vaers search on the HPV vaccines and death.  I may be missing something because I thought there was one car accident death, but can't find it now - the only results for "car" was one poor girl who drove to work, got out of her car, walked into work, and collapsed.  Vehicle returns nothing, and all accidents returned were unrelated to cars.  IIRC, there were a few deaths from seizures both soon after and long after gardasil, but I don't think any of them caused car accidents.  I found the poor girl whose vaers report says she fell down a well over a month after vaccination, but there was no mention of a possible seizure causing her to fall. 

 

Car accidents were the leading cause of death in the vaccine safety trials, but no more common in the Gardasil group than the placebo group.

 

I'm still curious as to how common this is.  Perhaps you could provide a little more detail to help locate the reports? 

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These were vaers reports?  I was curious how common these were, so ran quick page searches for "car" and "vehicle" and "accident" on each of the thirteen pages of results for a vaers search on the HPV vaccines and death.  I may be missing something because I thought there was one car accident death, but can't find it now - the only results for "car" was one poor girl who drove to work, got out of her car, walked into work, and collapsed.  Vehicle returns nothing, and all accidents returned were unrelated to cars.  IIRC, there were a few deaths from seizures both soon after and long after gardasil, but I don't think any of them caused car accidents.  I found the poor girl whose vaers report says she fell down a well over a month after vaccination, but there was no mention of a possible seizure causing her to fall. 

Car accidents were the leading cause of death in the vaccine safety trials, but no more common in the Gardasil group than the placebo group.

I'm still curious as to how common this is.  Perhaps you could provide a little more detail to help locate the reports? 

I found this using "gardasil death car".

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFAQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvaccineawakening.blogspot.com%2F2009%2F08%2Fgardasil-swine-flu-vaccines.html%3Fm%3D1&ei=leSZUJa1NozY8gSFjYCQBg&usg=AFQjCNFFZQeKOXiJCVde_uXidzbPzAI13g
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That's an unreferenced blog post from the site "Vaccine Awakening" which has a tagline: 

 

 

 

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". . . If the State can tag, track down and force citizens against their will to be injected with biologicals of unknown toxicity today, there will be no limit on which individual freedoms the State can take away in the name of the greater good tomorrow."

 

Pretty clear their agenda. If that's the best Google hit I'm not much convinced this is more than an urban myth to be honest.....


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It mentions a JAMA article, though it isn't very specific about which article. Maybe we can track it down. 

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I don't think it matter if someone fell down a well or got in a car accident.  Obviously, it matter very much to their parents, but what we need to see is if people who have Gardasil shots are experiencing ill health, accidents or death more often than those who do not have Gardasil shots.  

 

I don't think that question has been answered definitively yet, so I absolutely think caution is indicated before embracing this vaccine.


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Car accidents were the leading cause of death in the vaccine safety trials, but no more common in the Gardasil group than the placebo group.


Really? No kidding!

You mean, there were car accidents in both the group that got Gardasil and in the group that got the pretend placebo that contained all the same ingredients that might be causing fainting and seizures?

And they KNEW that some of these girls had either seizures or fainting spells while behind the wheel? And they just dismissed the results as being unrelated to the vaccine?

Aw, gee, you don't think there was ANY possibility Merck failed to report and/or act on adverse reactions, do you? I mean, have they EVER done so before?
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Pretty clear their agenda. If that's the best Google hit I'm not much convinced this is more than an urban myth to be honest.....

Equating the valid concern over forced vaccinations of biological material of unknown safety with an "agenda of urban myth" demonstrates a truly chilling agenda.
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You mean, there were car accidents in both the group that got Gardasil and in the group that got the pretend placebo that contained all the same ingredients that might be causing fainting and seizures?

 

Car crashes are the leading cause of accidental death between ages 1 and 34.  I'm sad, but not at all surprised, that healthy teenage girls are dying in car crashes. 


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Really? No kidding!
You mean, there were car accidents in both the group that got Gardasil and in the group that got the pretend placebo that contained all the same ingredients that might be causing fainting and seizures?
And they KNEW that some of these girls had either seizures or fainting spells while behind the wheel? And they just dismissed the results as being unrelated to the vaccine?
Aw, gee, you don't think there was ANY possibility Merck failed to report and/or act on adverse reactions, do you? I mean, have they EVER done so before?

 

Where does it say any of the girls had fainting or seizure episodes behind the wheel? 

 

It doesn't give any information about the car accident deaths other than that they happened and were not linked to Gardasil.  My assumption would be that if a girl driving herself home from getting the shot caused an accident that killed her, that would be worthy of mention and as a possible link to Gardasil.  Thus, since they are listed as not linked, (and the fact that with all the bad press Gardasil gets, I'm fairly sure that if there was a case of suspected fainting while driving soon after Gardasil we would be able to find a news story on the specific incidence, especially if it resulted in a death)  the accidents were almost certainly with someone else driving and/or occurred later in the observation period as opposed to day of injection or soon after . 

 

Of course, I can not say that with 100% certainty because I do not have the details of the accidents.  You don't have that information either and so can't even say that any of the girls were even the driver when the accident that killed them occurred.  Thus we still don't have any documented cases of a girl fainting or having a seizure while driving after Gardasil.  

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Equating the valid concern over forced vaccinations of biological material of unknown safety with an "agenda of urban myth" demonstrates a truly chilling agenda.

 

Good thing that's not what she said.

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