Ridiculous quote from Dr. Tenpenny - Mothering Forums

Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
#1 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 11:50 AM - Thread Starter
 
moderatemom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)

This is from her facebook page:

 

 

 
Quote:
Vaccines and drugs are a war on the Human Constitution. It is a Dark Superstition that should never be part of the 21st century. It's Black Magic to think that injecting foreign matter, dead pathogen, animal DNA can give any benefit. Ever.

 

http://www.facebook.com/vaccineinfo/posts/10151303645690891

pers likes this.
moderatemom is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#2 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 11:55 AM
Banned
 
lilabet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: London, England
Posts: 188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Wow. Impressively unscientific from a Dr!!!

Edit - I don't have a facebook account. Who is she?
lilabet is offline  
#3 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 12:06 PM - Thread Starter
 
moderatemom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilabet View Post

Wow. Impressively unscientific from a Dr!!!
Edit - I don't have a facebook account. Who is she?

 

Clearly someone who doesn't know what the words "superstition," "black magic," and "benefit" mean. 

moderatemom is offline  
#4 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 12:11 PM
Banned
 
lilabet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: London, England
Posts: 188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Oh dear. Clicking on the link, even though I don't have an account I can see over 39,000 likes.

What is her Doctorate in? Is she a medical dr?

I shall google. I will be back.
lilabet is offline  
#5 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 12:12 PM
Banned
 
lilabet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: London, England
Posts: 188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
http://drtenpenny.com/about-dr-tenpenny/

A certified medical dr. Although didn't renew. Craziness.
lilabet is offline  
#6 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Jennyanydots's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,374
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Why is it crazy?

chicken3.gif mama to two teens and two tots partners.gif madly in love with DP guitar.gif

Jennyanydots is offline  
#7 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 02:19 PM
 
WildKingdom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 667
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennyanydots View Post

Why is it crazy?
Because calling something with a ton of scientific evidence behind it "black magic" is nuts and completely over the top. Also, saying that there is never, ever any benefit to vaccination is just as bad as saying that vaccination is 100% effective and 100% safe all the time.
WildKingdom is offline  
#8 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Mosaic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: La vida loca
Posts: 3,953
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Remember: you can disagree with a study/statement/person without calling it nuts, crazy, etc. That kind of loaded language takes us to infraction-land, so edit before I have to kick folks off the thread.

Mi vida loca: full-time WOHM, frugalista, foodie wannabe, 10+ years of TCOYF 

 

R-E-S-P-E-C-T spells BRAND NEW User Agreement!!

Mosaic is offline  
#9 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 02:47 PM
Banned
 
lilabet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: London, England
Posts: 188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Lets be fair here. The Dr started with the loaded language - Black Magic?!
lilabet is offline  
#10 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 02:48 PM
 
chickabiddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 3,433
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)

Is it acceptable to say that I find so-called researchers who compare vaccines and drugs (which drugs?  all drugs? because penicillin rocks)  to black magic, or the Canadian health authorities to Nazi Germany, very in-credible?


Carseat-checking (CPST) and WAH mama to a twelve-year-old girl.
chickabiddy is online now  
#11 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 03:51 PM
 
Mosaic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: La vida loca
Posts: 3,953
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
In-credible: yes, ok

Lilibet: that's the original quote. And you may very well consider it ridiculous. Feel free to get a FB login and tell her off there. But express it HERE in a mature fashion. "She started it!" doesn't work for me.
VinceinAZ likes this.

Mi vida loca: full-time WOHM, frugalista, foodie wannabe, 10+ years of TCOYF 

 

R-E-S-P-E-C-T spells BRAND NEW User Agreement!!

Mosaic is offline  
#12 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 04:17 PM
 
Dakotacakes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 153
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
II think at one point Dr. Tenpenny probably started from a place of thought and reason, and a desire for informed conversation. Her facebook page states that she is the voice of reason in vaccines. I think she has veered away from being a voice of reason and into shrill hyperbole. I also think it is par for the course of internet personalitites. They get pushed further and further to extreme edges. Basic arguments don't get the attention that more extreme views do. She also has an online store where she sells various supplements etc that people should take in lieu of vaccines and drugs. We discuss the evils of "Big Pharma" often and take everything from them with a grain of salt because of the conflict of itnerest. This in my opinion is the same, she profits from people using her way rather than mainstream medicine and vaccines. I think she is going further to keep people buying.

I also wonder what drugs she is discussing. Certainly she wouldn't consider life saving antibiotics, insulin etc. black magic? I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't mean all drugs because if she did I would wonder what her reasoning for going to medical school was.
Dakotacakes is online now  
#13 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 04:41 PM
 
major_mama11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,133
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Agreed, Dakotacakes.


“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, 1984
major_mama11 is offline  
#14 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 04:43 PM
 
major_mama11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,133
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Re: the profit issue, especially.


“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, 1984
major_mama11 is offline  
#15 of 107 Old 12-02-2012, 05:25 PM
 
major_mama11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,133
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Yes, I do find it a tad strange if this person is actually referring to life-saving medications like insulin and antibiotics as Black Magic. Insulin, for example, can do some pretty cool tricks for a child who is in the ICU for DKA. 


“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, 1984
major_mama11 is offline  
#16 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Chicharronita's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In the Candyland of my Imagination
Posts: 1,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)

I think in the context of what she's trying to expose, the quote is right-on. 

 

I'm pretty sure she doesn't mean that if you absolutely need acute medical care, you shouldn't get it.

 

Like if you were to get hit by a car and were lying in the street in a puddle of your own blood, I doubt Dr. Tenpenny would stand over you and be all: "OH NOES DON'T GET THE EVVVILLLL DRUGS!!!!"

 

But many times they are given to people when they're not necessary; I seriously doubt anyone has a statin deficiency for example. ;-)

 

Lots of people are finding that they can normalize their cholesterol (ignoring the fact that the magic number was lowered some years back, possibly to increase the amount of people who could be diagnosed as having "high" cholesterol) and reduce or eliminate the amount of insulin they need by making dietary and lifestyle changes. 


Chicharronita is online now  
#17 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Rrrrrachel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)

Yes.  Lots o fpeople are.  But guess what, lots of people aren't, too.  Lots of people have health problems that aren't fixed by diet and exercise.  Even picking on high blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes, sometimes people NEED DRUGS to manage those conditions.  

 

Even if people COULD control them by losing weight, eating better etc, if they aren't going to do those things they should what, just die?

Honey693 likes this.
Rrrrrachel is offline  
#18 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Chicharronita's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In the Candyland of my Imagination
Posts: 1,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)

But the problem is that most doctors don't start there. They go right to prescribing the meds.

 

Often you can tell which ones will: they have all the Big Pharma paraphernalia strewn about their offices: coffee mugs, pens, writing pads, etc. etc. pimping the drug du jour.

 

Like this:

 

 



Am I lucky to have found a doctor who will prescribe a medication as a last resort? Is he that unusual?


Chicharronita is online now  
#19 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 06:17 PM
 
Rrrrrachel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
I think that's a huge generalization and I have not found it to be true in my experience.
Rrrrrachel is offline  
#20 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 06:42 PM
 
Chicharronita's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In the Candyland of my Imagination
Posts: 1,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)

I guess if people are lucky and do have doctors like us they won't see it, but Dr. Tenpenny is talking about the majority that don't have them.

 

After all, someone has got to be out there peddling these meds or else how else could the pharmaceutical industry turn such huge profits?


Chicharronita is online now  
#21 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 06:46 PM
 
Rrrrrachel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
I'm just pointing out, again, that you're making an unsupported generalization.
Rrrrrachel is offline  
#22 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 06:59 PM
 
Honey693's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

I think that's a huge generalization and I have not found it to be true in my experience.

I agree.  DH's cholesterol is super high and his doctor said diet and exercise, come back in a year,  Same for my MIL, FIL and best friend.  


obstruct livery vehicles

Honey693 is offline  
#23 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 07:02 PM
 
Bokonon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,948
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

I thought anecdotes were not data?

 

The bottom line is that if doctors weren't prescribing these drugs en masse, they wouldn't be profitable.

Chicharronita likes this.

A, jammin.gif mama to a boy (2005) and a girl (2009)
Bokonon is offline  
#24 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Honey693's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicharronita View Post

I think in the context of what she's trying to expose, the quote is right-on. 

 

I'm pretty sure she doesn't mean that if you absolutely need acute medical care, you shouldn't get it.

 

Like if you were to get hit by a car and were lying in the street in a puddle of your own blood, I doubt Dr. Tenpenny would stand over you and be all: "OH NOES DON'T GET THE EVVVILLLL DRUGS!!!!"

 

But many times they are given to people when they're not necessary; I seriously doubt anyone has a statin deficiency for example. ;-)

 

Lots of people are finding that they can normalize their cholesterol (ignoring the fact that the magic number was lowered some years back, possibly to increase the amount of people who could be diagnosed as having "high" cholesterol) and reduce or eliminate the amount of insulin they need by making dietary and lifestyle changes. 

Or it could have been lowered b/c the old number was too high and people were coming in with huge problems.  But, you know, whatever.

Katie8681 likes this.

obstruct livery vehicles

Honey693 is offline  
#25 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 07:04 PM
 
Honey693's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bokonon View Post

I thought anecdotes were not data?

 

The bottom line is that if doctors weren't prescribing these drugs en masse, they wouldn't be profitable.

They're not, but if Chicharronita is going to use it as fact it so am I.


obstruct livery vehicles

Honey693 is offline  
#26 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 07:06 PM
 
Rrrrrachel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bokonon View Post

I thought anecdotes were not data?

The bottom line is that if doctors weren't prescribing these drugs en masse, they wouldn't be profitable.

Uh, sure they would?
Rrrrrachel is offline  
#27 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Bokonon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,948
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post


Uh, sure they would?

 

Are you actually trying to discuss this, or just contradict without proof everything the "other side" says?

Mirzam likes this.

A, jammin.gif mama to a boy (2005) and a girl (2009)
Bokonon is offline  
#28 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Chicharronita's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In the Candyland of my Imagination
Posts: 1,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bokonon View Post

The bottom line is that if doctors weren't prescribing these drugs en masse, they wouldn't be profitable.

 

Exactly! 


Chicharronita is online now  
#29 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 07:11 PM
 
Rrrrrachel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bokonon View Post

Are you actually trying to discuss this, or just contradict without proof everything the "other side" says?

Wether or not something is profitable depends on the pricing structure and the profit margin. Not whether you sell loads of it, although that certainly helps.
Rrrrrachel is offline  
#30 of 107 Old 12-03-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Chicharronita's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In the Candyland of my Imagination
Posts: 1,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bokonon View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post


Uh, sure they would?

 

Are you actually trying to discuss this, or just contradict without proof everything the "other side" says?

 

It seems like a tactic to derail a thread and/or get it shut down. I hope moderators are taking note.


Chicharronita is online now  
Reply

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off