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But is what's produced naturally by the body the same as having it injected?

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But is what's produced naturally by the body the same as having it injected?

In this case, I really don't see how it couldn't be.
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I actually did a research project on autism and the research shows that there is no link of vaccines to autism. in medicine everything is evidence based. vaccines are given to protect people from disease. promoting something that would result in autistic children would be against the ethics of doctors and also against the economic viability of health programs

autism is predominantly an inherited condition and males are more commonly affected (4:1)

however two perfectly normal partners of high intellect can have an autistic child. and the effect on the family is significant.

the signs of autism are evident early on, the main one being the lack of a social smile.
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I actually did a research project on autism and the research shows that there is no link of vaccines to autism. in medicine everything is evidence based. vaccines are given to protect people from disease. promoting something that would result in autistic children would be against the ethics of doctors and also against the economic viability of health programs
autism is predominantly an inherited condition and males are more commonly affected (4:1)
however two perfectly normal partners of high intellect can have an autistic child. and the effect on the family is significant.
the signs of autism are evident early on, the main one being the lack of a social smile.

1) Since there is valid, mainstream science, peer-reviewed research that does show a vaccine-autism link, it is grossly inaccurate to say that "the research shows no link." I suggest you familiarize yourself with www.14studies.org, which discusses those studies, and also discusses the very serious flaws and conflicts of interest surrounding the studies which purport to show no link.

2) While the predisposition to vaccine reaction and other related issues may be inherited, there is absolutely no research proving that autism is inherited, despite millions of pharma-funded dollars poured into such studies, which were an attempt to divert the focus away from vaccines and their effect on autism.

3). In medicine, "research-based" is now defined as "setting up the studies and massaging the data to find the conclusion the pharmaceutical industry wants," since it is the pharmaceutical industry that funds, directs, interprets, and pays ghost writers to write the studies. Oh, and they also pay enormous amounts of money to market the results of the studies, including heavily funding the news media.
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lol where is the evidence that shows there is a link between autism and vaccinations ?
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lol where is the evidence that shows there is a link between autism and vaccinations ?

 

1.  The many extremely similar stories from parents that notice their child regressed after vaccination.  I don't think many of them are looking for something to blame and I do not think they are rewriting history...dismissing the many parental stories is just patronisizing.

 

2.  Numerous court cases, where parenst were given compensation for vaccine damage.  I was suprised to see how many were given compensation for autism particularly if you go back a few years.  Nowadays, it seems you are more likely to get compensation if you say your child experienced brain damage from a vaccine rather than regressed into autism, but it is often a euphemism, IMHO.  Do a google search for the vaccine compensation program.

 

3.  Some studies.  I would look at the blog "Regarding Caroline" for a  list.  There have been many, many discussions here on autism and vaccines and if there is a link.  Many of the discussions have numerous links to studies, articles, etc.  I suggest doing a search if this is an area of interest for you.

 

 

The "lol" is a tad rude.


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Since it is so difficult for us to go over an actual study, perhaps studentDr would be willing to provide the particulars of the project worked on. And I mean details. I know I'd really like to see it.
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But is what's produced naturally by the body the same as having it injected?

In this case, I really don't see how it couldn't be.

 

It seems like a small amount wouldn't be a big deal, but I will never be comfortable with injecting foreign particles through my skin. *Shudder*


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So how do you handle it when you get a cut or god forbid a puncture wound?
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Wildkingdom, thank you for your reply. It was well reasoned, and asked good questions. I based my statement entirely on the Congressional testimony of Dr. Colleen Boyle of the CDC, who said there had never been conducted a comparison of vaccinated versus unvaccinated autistic study, and that there had never been a review of autism comparing vaccinated versus populations. The two are slightly different, but it's a significant difference. How many kids with autism had been vaccinated? And what is the increase, if any, in likelihood of becoming injured by vaccines? The studies you cite, while accepted by the CDC are not acceptable to everyone, myself included. All have flaws, or have been conducted far enough away that the original data cannot be examined directly. Some were conducted by the vaccine manufacturers directly, some merely funded by them. They ALL defy logic. They all say that mercury in the form of thimerosal (ethyl mercury) has no significant statistical effect on developing brains. Every other study conducted outside of the CDC has determined that mercury is a powerful neurotoxin in ANY form.

But I do admit to being incorrect. Studies have been done. Apparently the CDC believes that thimerosal in vaccines is entirely safe. Other studies showing a causal link have all been snubbed by the CDC. Regardless, I will not allow ANY vaccine containing thimerosal to be injected into my child based on the CDC's studies. I realize this sounds closed-minded and possibly superstitious. I'm satisfied with the science showing that mercury is always harmful, in whatever form or amount.
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So how do you handle it when you get a cut or god forbid a puncture wound?

 

Not so well; I over-react and cry out like a baby. So it's no surprise I have a needle phobia. 

 

And I hope to god I never have any puncture wounds that go into my fatty tissue like some vaccines. Or the need for IV vitamin C.

 

I found an article about this by an MD.

 

Injection Technique

 

 

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Most vaccines are injected directly into the muscle, while other vaccines must be injected in the fatty tissue under the skin. Those vaccines that are designed for muscular injection include the DTaP vaccine, the Hib conjugate vaccine, the pneumococcal conjugate vaccine, the meningococcal conjugate vaccine, the hepatitis B vaccine, the hepatitis A vaccine, and the HPV vaccine. Vaccines that must be given under the skin include the MMR vaccine, the pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, the meningococcal polysaccharide vaccine, and the chickenpox vaccine.

 

 

The main purpose of the skin is to keep things out


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In this case, I really don't see how it couldn't be.

 

So urine, saliva, feces, someone else's blood would all be ok to inject intramuscularly?


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Well, vince, good thing none of the childhood vaccines contain thimerosal these days!  

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I guess it's depends on what you want to call "safe," bokonon.  Most of those things carry bacteria or diseases and could cause an infection, or worse.

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and I don't really see what that has to do with my point about formaldehyde?  My body doesn't produce those substances and have them in my blood, naturally.  A child already has formaldehyde present in their body at much higher levels than they receive from vaccines.

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Well, vince, good thing none of the childhood vaccines contain thimerosal these days!  

 

Except for the annual flu shot, which is also recommended for pregnant women, and not always given preservative-free.


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Except for the annual flu shot, which is also recommended for pregnant women, and not always given preservative-free.

 

 

I guess I don't consider that a childhood vaccine, since it's given to adults?  But women still have the option of getting it thimerosal free.

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I guess I don't consider that a childhood vaccine, since it's given to adults?  But women still have the option of getting it thimerosal free.

 

The flu shot is recommended for babies 6 months and up, every year.  I'm not sure how that wouldn't be considered a childhood vaccine when it's recommended annually for children.


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OIC, that's what you meant by ALSO recommended by pregnant women.  My mistake.  EIther  way, there's a thimerosal free version, so again, all childhood vaccines are available thimerosal free.

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Well, vince, good thing none of the childhood vaccines contain thimerosal these days!  

Most Hep B in Canada contains thimerosal, as do all flu shots, including those given to children.

 

Not everyone lives in the USA.


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But is what's produced naturally by the body the same as having it injected?


Formaldehyde is CH2O, whether it occurs organically in the body or is injected with a needle.


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EIther  way, there's a thimerosal free version, so again, all childhood vaccines are available thimerosal free.

Having to know to ask for it, or your child or fetus might get a vaccine with thim in it is pretty sucky.  


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OIC, that's what you meant by ALSO recommended by pregnant women.  My mistake.  EIther  way, there's a thimerosal free version, so again, all childhood vaccines are available thimerosal free.

 

That's not the same as "...good thing none of the childhood vaccines contain thimerosal these days!  " 

 

Having a thimerosal-free version available is not at all the same as no children receiving a shot with thimerosal.  


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I wonder how many are opting for the thimerosal-free ones? I couldn't find anything.

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I do have a tendency to forget about the flu shot when I think about childhood vaccines.  either way, the fact still stands that you can do all shots on the schedule without thimerosal.  Concerns about thimerosal are not a reason not to vaccinate in the US, at least.

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Having to know to ask for it, or your child or fetus might get a vaccine with thim in it is pretty sucky.  

 

Only if you think thimerosal is harmful in the quantities contained in vaccines.  Which I don't.

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I do have a tendency to forget about the flu shot when I think about childhood vaccines.  either way, the fact still stands that you can do all shots on the schedule without thimerosal.  Concerns about thimerosal are not a reason not to vaccinate in the US, at least.

 

That is your opinion.  I think you owe Vince an apology for mocking him about thimerosal, when you had your facts wrong.


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I guess I don't consider that a childhood vaccine, since it's given to adults?  But women still have the option of getting it thimerosal free.

It's given to all children and infants starting at age 6 months--and the first year, TWO flu shots are given.

 

So why woud you not consider that a childhood vaccine?

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