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#31 of 35 Old 12-06-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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This has been stated many times and is in my opinion a distortion of the truth. Autism data published in 2012 is based on data from 8 year olds. I agree with that. They were born in 2000. I agree with that. What I disagree with is the picture painted of when thimerosol was removed. It began even before 2000 when it was officially recommended. 

 

Here is a table which states when thimerosol was removed from the vaccines on the childhood schedule in the US which contained it (notice how many never had any in the first place).

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#act

 

Here's the recommended vaccination schedule in the USA from 2000 http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4902a4.htm 

 

Here's my matching of the two. Please correct me where I'm wrong, because to be honest from this list I'm confused why thimerosol was ever an issue. 

 

Series in first 18 months (note this extends to 2001-2002 for these children some of whom were born at the end of 2000)

3 doses of Hep B  - one version thimerosol free in 1999, the other licenses thimerosol free in March 2000.

4 doses Dtap - 2 types never had thimerosol, the third was licensed thimerosol free in March 2001

4 doses HiB - of kinds available in 2000 one never contained thimerosol, the other was licensed in thimerosol free version in 1999

3 doses IPV - never contained thimerosol

 

at ~12 months (so in 2001 or early 2002) 

MMR - never contained thimerosol

Varicella - never contained thimerosol

 

 So stating children born in 2000 had higher than ever thimerosol "load" seems to be just not true. 

 

 Today none of these have thimerosol at all. And almost 50% (62 million out of a projected 135 million) of the available flu vaccinations this year in the USA will be thimerosol free. That's from here: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm. If you have any concern - ask for a thimerosol free version. 

 

So I think Rrrrrachel's right that thimerosol is completely irrelevent to the childhood vaccination debate these days (well actually I think it always was, but that's my opinion). 

I'm happy to correct where you are wrong.

 

Your major error is in assuming that because SOME thimerosal-free pediatric vaccines BEGAN to be manufactured in 2000, that the thimerosal-preserved pediatric vaccines were no longer manufactured.  Or sold in the US.  Or distributed. Or used. Or sat on shelves in doctors' offices, waiting to be used.

 

The pharmaceutical companies continued to sell and distribute thimerosal-preserved vaccines for as long as their shelf life was good.

 

Many pediatricians opted for the thimerosal-preserved vaccines for as long as possible, as they were cheaper to purchase, easier to store, and they were under no obligation to offer thimerosal-free vaccines. So they continued to USE thimerosal-preserved vaccines for as long as their shelf life was good.  Our pediatrician was still using them in 2004, and the expiration date was not for a few months (I looked).

 

And, as I stated before, flu shots (yes, preserved with thimerosal) were recommended for infants as young as 6 months, and women in all stages of pregnancy starting in 2004.  Coincidentally (or not), that is when the thimerosal-preserved pediatric vaccines used in the US reached the end of their shelf life.

 

As long as infants as young as 6 months and pregnant women are being injected with thimerosal, which crosses the placenta, it cannot be truthfully stated that the pediatric vaccine schedule is currently free of thimerosal.

 

You are also in error about the DTaP. Tripedia, Certiva, and Acel-Immune contained thimerosal.  Tripedia wasn't reformulated as thimerosal-free until 2001; even then it did contain .5 microgram thimerosal.  Certiva was manufactured until March OF 2001, and continued to be used for several years, as long as its shelf life was good.   

Pediatric Hib and Hep B vaccines preserved with thimerosal were still on the market in 2000 and later.

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But this just means we can't understand the amount of thimerosol children of this era got compared to earlier children. All we can say is it was likely lower.

On this thread http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1369125/congressional-hearing-on-the-federal-response-to-autism-on-c-span/60#post_17200493 you said that an objection to one of the (many) studies which shows no link between thimerosol and autism is invalid because children in the thimerosol containing vaccine group were found to not have had thimerosol containing vaccines.

You can't have it both ways. Either they had the same or less thimerosol than children earlier than 2000.

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