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Really? This makes me think they don't give a s#!t about the children. This is obviously big-pharma driven and is (on the surface at least) all about profit. They need vaccines to be cheap to sell lots more to inpoverished nations.

 

http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/Vaccines/36480


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OR, thimerosal in the amounts present in vaccines is not harmful, vpds definitely ARE, and this is a way to get more vaccines to countries that need them most.
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OR, thimerosal in the amounts present in vaccines is not harmful, vpds definitely ARE, and this is a way to get more vaccines to countries that need them most.

 

That's what the article cited concludes, anyhow.

 

 

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Since then, however, studies looking for harms from thimerosal-containing vaccines have failed to find such associations, whereas research has consistently demonstrated serious neurotoxic effects from methyl mercury.

The consistent lack of evidence of any harm from thimerosal in vaccines formed the basis of the AAP's reversal of its 1999 stance, and Cooper and Katz suggested that the academy would not have issued the original statement with than knowledge in-hand.


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Million-dollar question:

Would you give your child a thimerosal-containing vaccine?

I already know the answer will be yes, since this is the internet and we have no way of knowing what you really think.

 

If given the choice between a vaccine with thimerosal and one without, you would not hesitate to use the one containing thimerosal? Again, I'm sure I know what the answer will be, but I just have to ask.


 
 
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The AAP knows Thimerosal is harmful. This is an extract from the resignation letter of 20 year member of the AAP Advisory Committee, Dr K.P. Stoller, published in 2008 in Medical Veritas (K.P. Stoller/Medical Veritas 5 (2008) 16991700 1699 Les Incompétents: My open letter to the American Academy of Pediatrics. K. Paul Stoller, MD):

 

“…In a first analysis of the VSD datasets, Verstraeten et al. had described a 7.6 to 11.4 fold increase of autism risk in children at one month, with the highest mercury exposure levels compared to children with no exposure. In four subsequent separate generations of the analysis, which involve the exclusion of children with no Thimerosal exposure and less than two polio vaccines, the statistical significance disappeared. This is what was published by the AAP even though they knew the truth. How did they know the truth?”


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Million-dollar question:
Would you give your child a thimerosal-containing vaccine?
I already know the answer will be yes, since this is the internet and we have no way of knowing what you really think.

If given the choice between a vaccine with thimerosal and one without, you would not hesitate to use the one containing thimerosal? Again, I'm sure I know what the answer will be, but I just have to ask.

My daughter got a thimerosal containing flu shot this year.
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More from Dr Stoller's open letter to the AAP:

 

For years the Infectious Disease division at the CDC (and others) has said the reason for the dramatic increase in autism is due to “better diagnosing” and “greater awareness.” They have encouraged those like the AAP to manufacture uncertainty by publishing articles that were less than truthful. The AAP shamefully played along, perhaps encouraged by the largesse of vaccine manufacturers who significantly contribute to the AAP’s yearly budget. To publish studies that showed the removal of a known neurotoxin (mercury) from vaccine caused the incidence of autism to increase was shameful pseudo-science.


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My daughter got a thimerosal containing flu shot this year.

 

Mine too.  (As did I.)


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Million-dollar question:

Would you give your child a thimerosal-containing vaccine?

I already know the answer will be yes, since this is the internet and we have no way of knowing what you really think.

 

 

I always thought this was funny (government of Canada website)

 

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/q_a_thimerosal-eng.php

 

"Q4. Is the use of thimerosal in vaccines a health concern?

 

No. There is no safety reason to avoid thimerosal-containing vaccines. 
The National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) has thoroughly reviewed the evidence and indicated that “There is no legitimate safety reason to avoid the use of thimerosal-containing products for children or older individuals, including pregnant women.

Nevertheless, NACI has recommended a long-term goal of removing thimerosal from vaccines, provided that safe alternatives to this preservative can be found. This will help to reduce unnecessary environmental exposure to mercury."

 

So…it's safe, we have it in our vaccines (flu and hep b in Canada)  yet there is a goal of removing thimerosal from vaccines to reduce unnecessary environmental exposure?

Way to give a mixed message.


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I guess I don't see how that's a mixed message. I consider tuna fish safe, but avoiding it lowers your exposure to environmental mercury.
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Vaccine industry in a panic... over pending UN removal of mercury in vaccine action. This is why the AAP is shilling for big pharma

 

 

 

 

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The fifth session of the Intergovernmental Negotiating Committee to prepare a global legally binding instrument on mercury (INC5) will be held in Geneva, from 13 to 18 January 2013.  On the agenda is the removal of Thimerosal (49% mercury) from all medications worldwide - a move that any sane person would approve of.

But that removal is being challenged by the drug industry, an industry best understood by noting the attorneys advertising daily and nightly on television looking for victims of that same industry to represent in court.

http://www.bolenreport.com/Mark%20Geier/vaccine%20industry%20panic.htm


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It's also being opposed by WHO. It could have a major impact on availability of vaccines for countries that need them the most.
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Summary of Supportive Science Regarding Thimerosal Removal:

http://www.safeminds.org/research/docs/Thimerosal%20Science%20Summary%20Dec%202012.pdf

 

A quote from Safeminds on the issue:

 

"The positions advocated for in Pediatrics would continue to expose the children of developing nations to thimerosal-containing vaccines we would never allow used on our own children. 

"Their justification? They scoured academia and used only five studies to dispute the long-established link between mercury and damage during brain development. This causative link has been documented in numerous studies over many years.

"SafeMinds supports inclusion of treaty language calling for a timely global phase-down of thimerosal from vaccines."


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Mercury Science References SafeMinds.org
http://www.safeminds.org/research/docs/SM%20Science%20Summary%202010-11.pdf 

Mercury’s Synergistic Toxicity (with other vaccine ingredients)"A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. 
Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there." Quoted from a letter by Donald ******, M.D. Professor of Surgery, University of Washington (linked, I think)http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/BodyBurden/Synergistic.html#Slide 

Thimerosal in US vaccineshttp://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228.htm

Thimerosal Content in Some US Vaccines, Johns Hopkins/Bloomberg
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm 
Vaccine Ingredients by Vaccine; CDC Pinkbook Excipient Table 2:http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf 

Vaccine Ingredients by Ingredient; CDC Pinkbook Excipient Table 1:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf 
(DEFUNCT LINK; TABLE HAS BEEN REMOVED)

EPA Mercury Regulations:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/regs.htm#states Resource for toxic waste levels, direct from the EPA

EPA Hazardous Waste Codes; Univ. of Maryland:http://www.des.umd.edu/hw/rest/manual/codes.html 

Pharmaceutical Waste (Dual Waste Specifics) Dept. of Ecology, Washington State:
http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/hwtr/pharmaceuticals/pages/dualwaste.html

Managing Pharmaceutical Waste:http://www.des.umd.edu/hw/rest/manual/codes.html 

Mercury Exposure Calculator: 
http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Vaccines/Thimerosal/Calculator.html 

Vine Album: Mercury in Vaccines:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150089436513998.279676.69667273997 

Kevin Nester “Mercury-free” shot is not really free of mercury as explained in this letter from a senator to the FDA. 
http://www.deathbyvaccination.com/burton-fda.pdf
Less than 0.3 mcg is retained after filtering. 
0.3 mcg / 0.5mL = 
0.3 mcg / .0005L = 
3000 mcg / 5L =
600 mcg / L =
600 ppb in the “mercury-free” vaccine

Flu vaccine has “only” 25 mcg mercury. The shot is 0.5mL. Let’s do some math:
25 mcg / 0.5mL = 
25 mcg / .0005L = 
250000 mcg / 5L =
50000 mcg / L
1 mcg / L = 1 ppb, therefore 
The shot has 50000 ppb of mercury

2 ppb mercury is the mandated limit in drinking water 

200 ppb mercury in liquid waste renders it a toxic hazard 
600 ppb in “mercury-free” vaccines
50,000 ppb mercury in the regular flu shot, yearly!! (that would be 250 times the limit to be toxic waste and 25,000 times the limit for drinking water)
(Oh, but infant flu vaccines have only 12.5 mcg Hg!) 
That would still be 25,000 ppb of mercury in one infant flu shot (yearly)
Here is another article which confirms the math:
http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Vaccines/Thimerosal.html
Links to all 'official sources" are here 

Thimerosal in US vaccineshttp://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228.htm

Health Advocacy in the Public InterestVaccine Testing
Testing Mercury Free Vaccines
Due to the ongoing debate over the role of mercury containing vaccines and autism, HAPI decided to have some current vaccinations tested for mercury content. Our goal in doing so was to simply find out for ourselves whether or not mercury has actually been removed from vaccines intended for pediatric use. We also wanted to generate interest and fund a larger test sample. The results are below: (click for a larger image)
http://hapihealth.org/vaccine-testing/vaccine-testing.html 

Mercury mathematics, explained by another alert reader & math geek:
Mercury Math; Doug Cutler wrote:

Outside of the body, thimerosal is considered a "biohazard", but when it is injected into a baby - it is called "safe".

Hazardous Waste Regulations state: "RCRA hazardous pharmaceutical waste that is also biomedical waste is considered a RCRA hazardous dual waste. Some examples include:

A partially administered syringe containing flu vaccine that either has thimerosal added as a preservative or has trace amounts leftover from the manufacturing process is a RCRA hazardous dual waste with a waste code D009. 

If the thimerosal is added, the final concentration of thimerosal is 25 mcg/0.5 mL dose or 50 mg/L. This results in a final mercury concentration of 25 mg/L since thimerosal is approximately 50 percent mercury by weight. 

The vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal have approximately 1 mcg/0.5 ml dose or 2 mg/L thimerosal, resulting in a final mercury concentration of 1 mg/L".

In summary, the thimerosal in the flu vaccine and the 8 + vaccines given to babies that contain "trace amounts" of thimerosal exceeds the RCRA characteristic threshold for mercury which is 0.2 mg/L.http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/hwtr/pharmaceuticals/pages/dualwaste.html

Thus we see that double standards and contradictions by our "trusted" governmental agencies. The FDA/CDC and fellow vaxapologists tell us that thimerosal is "safe" and not toxic because it is in "trace amounts".

Yet, the EPA labels thimerosal with a hazardous waste number of D009 which is in the "toxicity" category and considered bio-hazardous waste. 

So what else fits in the D009 hazardous waste category? (fluorescent lamps, batteries, switches, and thermometers). What parent wants to start injecting these into their child? Well, other than vaxapologists of course.http://www.des.umd.edu/hw/rest/manual/codes.html

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Flu vaccine has “only” 25 mcg mercury. The shot is 0.5mL. Let’s do some math:
25 mcg / 0.5mL = 
25 mcg / .0005L = 
250000 mcg / 5L =
50000 mcg / L
1 mcg / L = 1 ppb, therefore 
The shot has 50000 ppb of mercury

2 ppb mercury is the mandated limit in drinking water 


Yeah so don't start drinking a litre of flu vaccine serum daily.....


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Protect Your Children - The AAP and WHO Want to Keep Poisonous Mercury in Vaccines


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I'm curious as to the intended audience of vaxtruth.org. Looks to me like Americans. Last I looked America wasn't considered a developing nation.....

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I'm curious as to the intended audience of vaxtruth.org. Looks to me like Americans. Last I looked America wasn't considered a developing nation.....

This is the internet, it is global. I have read comments there from people who live in India. I know the website has covered the subject of vaccines in the sub-continent also. There is still thimerosal in flu vaccines given to American children. Are children in developing nationals not as worthy as American children? Is the best argument you have got?


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This is the internet, it is global. I have read comments there from people who live in India. I know the website has covered the subject of vaccines in the sub-continent also. There is still thimerosal in flu vaccines given to American children. Are children in developing nationals not as worthy as American children? Is the best argument you have got?

 

 It wasn't an argument it was a question. The article is seemingly directly aimed at people whose children may be affected by the wish to keep thimerosol in some vaccines for the developing world. Rrrrachel explained rather well up thread why thimerosol as a preservative might be so important in locations where vaccines needs to be distributed at low cost in very rural/isolated areas in the poorer parts of the developing world. The thimerosol prevents the vaccines getting contaminated and/or going off and potentially causing very serious side effects.

 

 I'd actually be really interested to know how many people fro rural parts of Africa or India (or similar) frequent vaxtruth.org or similar sites. 


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 It wasn't an argument it was a question. The article is seemingly directly aimed at people whose children may be affected by the wish to keep thimerosol in some vaccines for the developing world. Rrrrachel explained rather well up thread why thimerosol as a preservative might be so important in locations where vaccines needs to be distributed at low cost in very rural/isolated areas in the poorer parts of the developing world. The thimerosol prevents the vaccines getting contaminated and/or going off and potentially causing very serious side effects.

 

 I'd actually be really interested to know how many people fro rural parts of Africa or India (or similar) frequent vaxtruth.org or similar sites. 

Thimerosal is a neuro toxin. It is also a very poor preservative. There is no legitimate reason why children in developing nations should be exposed to it. The AAP and WHO should be ashamed of themselves. I am grateful vactruth.org is highlighting this despicable position taken by two pharma shill organizations.

 

By asking the quesiton, you were merely attempting to discredit the sentiments address in the article. Shame.

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Those claims are . . . Disputed. Let's go with that.
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So what is a better preservative for the money then? How would you recommend getting vaccines to rural Africa to protect against vpds which are very common in many parts of the world.

I think the people trying to do this are doing it soley because they care about the health of these children.

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