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http://vactruth.com/2013/01/06/paralyzed-after-meningitis-vaccine/

Anyone else hear/read about this? I'm looking for more sources.
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http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/parents-paid-hush-money-after-40-children-paralyzed-by-vaccine/


http://www.thenigerianvoice.com/nvnews/105057/1/chad-40-paralyzed-after-meningitis-vaccine.html

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The Mr M quoted in the vactruth above article, comments:

 

 

 

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Hello this Mr M from chad direct;  After this website publish the news about the tragedy. The prime minister of chad has visited the hopital where the paralyzed children are now accommadated. The news now on Chad national TV  prime minister with children. I got the video but here internet is very but. for those who has doubt just give a little time to upload the video.

 

Here is another local source that claims to cover the story, Tchad: Est-ce une incompétence démasquée?

 

http://www.africatime.com/tchad/


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Thanks for those links. Glad the mainstream media is so on top of this...oh wait...
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There's evidence at the beloe link that it's probably a false report or at best based on no evidence.

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2013/01/claim-40-children-in-chad-paralyzed-by-vaccines-is-probably-false-.html
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It appears this isn't false, here is a video of a Chad TV report of the Prime Minister visiting the children in the hospital.

 

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It's remarkable to see the reaction to even a (relatively) small number of serious adverse events. I'm glad it's getting publicity. It makes me even more certain that of serious adverse events were substantially more common than thought here in the us we would know.

I hope they figure out why this extraordinarily high rate of adverse events is happening quickly!
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It's remarkable to see the reaction to even a (relatively) small number of serious adverse events. I'm glad it's getting publicity. It makes me even more certain that of serious adverse events were substantially more common than thought here in the us we would know.

I hope they figure out why this extraordinarily high rate of adverse events is happening quickly!

This is not getting any publicity in the MSM. None. Nada. Zilch. So that makes your statement on how reassured you feel this vaccine reactions are so rare is, at best, redundant.

 

And are you seriously calling this incident of 40 plus children paralyzed out of 500 administered the vaccine a "relatively small number"? banghead.gif

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There's evidence at the beloe link that it's probably a false report or at best based on no evidence.

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2013/01/claim-40-children-in-chad-paralyzed-by-vaccines-is-probably-false-.html


Evidence? I see no evidence. Hmm perhaps we didn't read the same thing. I see an alleged (and partial at that) transcript of an email, and wherein the manager refers to "the accident" and yet makes no conclusive statement on the matter. None. But he can attest to 34 children being affected. Affected with what then? He said no additional information "has been made public". If you can read between the lines, this does NOT mean there is no info; it means they have not shared it with citizens or the media.
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This is not getting any publicity in the MSM. None. Nada. Zilch. So that makes your statement on how reassured you feel this vaccine reactions are so rare is, at best, redundant.

And are you seriously calling this incident of 40 plus children paralyzed out of 500 administered the vaccine a "relatively small number"? banghead.gif

As I said its an extraordinarily high RATE. it is a low number, relatively.
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This is not getting any publicity in the MSM. None. Nada. Zilch. So that makes your statement on how reassured you feel this vaccine reactions are so rare is, at best, redundant.

And are you seriously calling this incident of 40 plus children paralyzed out of 500 administered the vaccine a "relatively small number"? banghead.gif

As I said its an extraordinarily high RATE. it is a low number, relatively.

Relative to what? This is statistician speak and is no relevance to the families involved.

 

Maybe because they are Africans it is of less consequence to the MSM? Or maybe they are so bought and paid for that stories like these aren't ever going to be covered?

 

Honestly, I have such a hard time with the concept of blowing this off as "nothing much in the scheme of things".


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I do think there's a lot to the assertion that msm is less interested in things going on in Africa. This is very very true in a lot of different areas, not just this news story.
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Yeah I definitely think US news is much less interested in Africa than in naval gazing (to be fair also true, if to a lesser extent, of the BBC).

I wonder how many children died of disease caused by poverty or just general VPDs in Africa in the last week..... Is that on the news?

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Yeah I definitely think US news is much less interested in Africa than in naval gazing (to be fair also true, if to a lesser extent, of the BBC).

I wonder how many children died of disease caused by poverty or just general VPDs in Africa in the last week..... Is that on the news?

Maybe the number of children who died as a result of vpds in the last week is *less* than the 40 paralyzed. Since we don't have numbers, there is no point.
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Slightly off topic - in Chad in 2009 20% of children under 5 died. Wow. Just wow. 3 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_mortality#Highest_rates_in_the_world

Oh, and 1 billion people live on the African continent. I haven't found a link from 5 minutes on google, but I'd bet quite a lot that more than 40 of them died of VPDs in the last week.

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The original statement was about Cha, had no backing and was pure misdirection. Give me the number of children who died as a result of meningitis (since that's what the vaccine was for) in Chad for that week. Then we will be comparing like figures. Inflated figures using the entire continent are irrelevant to the discussion.
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Slightly off topic - in Chad in 2009 20% of children under 5 died. Wow. Just wow. 3 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_mortality#Highest_rates_in_the_world

Oh, and 1 billion people live on the African continent. I haven't found a link from 5 minutes on google, but I'd bet quite a lot that more than 40 of them died of VPDs in the last week.

And this would have something to do with the topic of the 40 children being paralyzed...why exactly? We all know stats. Let's stay on topic, shall we? Now, back to those 40 kids....

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And this would have something to do with the topic of the 40 children being paralyzed...why exactly? We all know stats. Let's stay on topic, shall we? Now, back to those 40 kids....


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Personally I thought the numbers put the general situation for the health of children in Chad in context.

I don't consider a video of sick children in Arica proof often original claims.

If it did happen I'm sure is being investigated. As the original article points out this is a relatively new vaccine - the first ever developed for Africa specifically to reduce costs and try to save as many lives as possible. So I'm sure the developers do not wish to harm children and will be investigating any claims that their product has done that.

I'll look for.numbers on meningitis in chad. I guess WHO might have that. I have a pretty busy few days at work so it might be a while. If someone else could do that I would appreciate it.

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Chad is in "the meningitis belt" so I'm sure the numbers are bad. That doesn't make 40 paralyzed kids, even out of thousands of vaccines administered, ok. If its true.
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Personally I thought the numbers put the general situation for the health of children in Chad in context.

I don't consider a video of sick children in Arica proof often original claims.

If it did happen I'm sure is being investigated. As the original article points out this is a relatively new vaccine - the first ever developed for Africa specifically to reduce costs and try to save as many lives as possible. So I'm sure the developers do not wish to harm children and will be investigating any claims that their product has done that.

I'll look for.numbers on meningitis in chad. I guess WHO might have that. I have a pretty busy few days at work so it might be a while. If someone else could do that I would appreciate it.

There are potentially 40 children who were paralyzed by this vaccine. That is the issue. Period.
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Yes. Potentially. Given it happened an ocean away in a country with iffy media outlets its hard to know for sure. If it is true, I'm sure we all agree its horrible. What's to discuss?
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You're quite right that its irrelevant if indeed these 40 cases are real and a vaccine reaction, but I still wanted to find out (data and all that).

In Jan-march 2012 there were 88 deaths in Chad from meningitus.
http://www.afro.who.int/en/clusters-a-programmes/dpc/epidemic-a-pandemic-alert-and-response/outbreak-news/3600-chad-meningitis-outbreak-situation-as-of-25-march-2012.html

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Yes. Potentially. Given it happened an ocean away in a country with iffy media outlets its hard to know for sure. If it is true, I'm sure we all agree its horrible. What's to discuss?


By that rationale, what's to discuss on this board about anything, ever?

It's a case regarding widespread damage caused by a vaccine. Pretty relevant, but maybe that's a problem for those who choose to ignore the issue that they do damage at all. The sheer possibility of this occurrence probably makes it it too uncomfortable to discuss.
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I've not met these people who choose to ignore vaccines do damage. I, myself, have stated many many times that they do. I haven't even denied the possibility that they did here.

Other issues have a lot more information to share and ambiguity. This comes down to "my blogger says this happened" "well my blogger said it didn't."

And I wouldn't call this widespread.
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La Voix isn't a blog, its a newspaper, and thats who originally reported the story.

And 40 out of 500 children are paralyzed and you wouldn't call that widespread? Given the group, that's a huge percentage thus widespread. Is it widespread among the general public? Well no, but you can't be affected by the shot if you didnt get the shot.
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Why out of 500? Way more than that have received the vaccine.
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