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 http://www.naturalnews.com/039192_peanut_oil_vaccines_allergies.html#ixzz2LZiwkMmO

 

 

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It is important to note that in 1973, when peanut allergies were still relatively rare, a study was conducted on the effects of peanut excipients in vaccines. Not long after it was published; however, government regulators decided that vaccine manufacturers no longer had to label peanut excipients in vaccines, which means pediatricians, parents, and others who wanted to avoid peanut excipients for safety reasons could no longer effectively do so.

"What is listed today in the Physicians Desk Reference in each vaccine section is not the full formula," adds Dr. O'Shea. "Suddenly that detailed information was proprietary: the manufacturers must be protected. They only had to describe the formula in general."
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Where's it say that peanut oil is in vaccines? What is the alleged purpose of peanut oil in vaccines?
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Here's the cdcs list of vaccine ingredients, including excipients. Which one is code for peanut oil?

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf
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Where's it say that peanut oil is in vaccines? What is the alleged purpose of peanut oil in vaccines?

Its a well established historical fact that emulsified peanut oil was used routinely in vaccines in the 60's and 70's in certain adjuvants and growth mediums. At some point manufacturers (not sure what year) were not required to list the ingredients of whats in growth mediums. So just because it's not listed on a package insert doesn't mean it's not there.

 

Heather Fraser documents this in her book "the history of the peanut allergy epidemic"

 

I also found this but haven't had time to look into the specific patents further. I plan to though!

 

http://barbfeick.com/blog1/2009/01/13/vaccine-patents-with-possible-peanut-products-in-them/

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Being in the growth medium is not the same as being an ingredient.

If vaccines contain peanut oil someone should get a vaccine, run it through a mass spec, and have a smoking gun. Easy enough. Instead we have a lot of trumped up innuendo.
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Also, companies patent anything and everything they might someday want to do and make money off of. Having a patent for it is in no way shape or form the same as saying its actually used. Not even close.

The only adjuvants licensed for use in the us are aluminum salts.
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Also, what is the reason for using peanut oil? Why peanut oil? Further, why not disclose it? They disclose they use egg protein, what's the difference?

So far I've seen it claimed that peanut oil is used as an excipients, in the growth medium, or an adjuvant. Which is it?

Which vaccines are we talking, here? All of them?
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Where is the documentation that peanut oil was routinely used in the 60s and 70s?

And peanut oil doesn't contain peanut proteins, anyway.
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Adjuvant 65.

It's one form of vegetable oil emulsion adjuvants.

It was in Penicillin too.

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Thank you asiago! That let me get somewhere.

This is all I've found so far.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130368/
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I still haven't found any break down of if and when it was actually used in vaccines or which vaccines.
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That's the problem with the vaccine industry! You never know what pesky things might be lurking in those little vials!

 

This is from the Peanut Institiute:

"When peanut oil is correctly processed and becomes highly refined, the proteins in the oil, which are the components in the oil that can cause allergic reaction, are removed."

*However*

"it should be recognized that not all available peanut oil is highly refined. If an allergic individual is unsure as to whether a product contains or was fried in highly refined peanut oil, that individual should ask the manufacturer or restaurant for clarification."

http://www.peanut-institute.org/eating-well/allergy/peanut-oil-no-allergens.asp

 

We need to ask our friendly vaccine manufacturing companies if they use highly refined peanut oil.

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1. I do not think peanut oil is currently in vaccines. The only adjuvant licensed for use in the us are aluminum salts. I also don't think they could use peanut oil and not disclose it, like they do egg protein. If I found out I was wrong about that I would be unhappy, but also very surprised.

2. If they were using peanut oil, I'm sure it's not just a bottle off the grocery store shelf.

I think this thread has gone about as far as it can, for me.
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That's the problem with the vaccine industry! You never know what pesky things might be lurking in those little vials!

 

This is from the Peanut Institiute:

"When peanut oil is correctly processed and becomes highly refined, the proteins in the oil, which are the components in the oil that can cause allergic reaction, are removed."

*However*

"it should be recognized that not all available peanut oil is highly refined. If an allergic individual is unsure as to whether a product contains or was fried in highly refined peanut oil, that individual should ask the manufacturer or restaurant for clarification."

http://www.peanut-institute.org/eating-well/allergy/peanut-oil-no-allergens.asp

 

We need to ask our friendly vaccine manufacturing companies if they use highly refined peanut oil.

also should find out if those peanuts are genetically modified as well, and what kind of pesticides were used on the crops, and how contaminated the soil is  which grew the peanuts. 

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Vaccines and the Peanut Allergy Epidemic

 

 

 

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Before 1900, reactions to peanuts were unheard of. Today almost a 1.5 million children in this country are allergic to peanuts.

 

 

 

 

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Von Pirquet recognized that vaccines had 2 primary effects: immunity and hypersensitivity. [5] He said they were inseparable: the one was the price of the other.

In other words, if we were going to benefit from the effects of mass immunization, we must accept the downside of mass hypersensitivity as a necessary co-feature. Modern medicine has decided that this double effect should be kept secret, so they don’t allow it to be brought up much.

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Prior to 1900, not that many people even ate peanuts.
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Prior to 1900, not that many people even ate peanuts.

 

footinmouth.gif You didn't read the article did you?

 

 

 

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Remember – just eating peanuts cannot cause allergy. Except if they are allowed to become moldy of course, in which case aflatoxins are released. But that’s really not a peanut allergy.

 

 

I am also sure you never read the speech I posted a short while back (sorry don't remember the thread) by Nobel Prize winner Charles Richet, who is mentioned in the above article, on the process of anaphyaxsis.

 

 

 

 

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Richet noted that in the severe cases, food anaphylaxis did not happen just by eating a food. That would simply be food poisoning.

Food anaphylaxis is altogether different. This sudden, violent reaction requires an initial sensitization involving injection of some sort, followed by a later ingestion of the sensitized food. Get the shot, then later eat the food.

The initial exposure creates the hypersensitivity. The second exposure would be the violent, perhaps fatal, physical event.

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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View PostPrior to 1900, not that many people even ate peanuts.

 

History does show differently, try the 1860's and the civil war in the US.

 

Peanuts and the use of peanut products were very well used in the US (not to mention South America) in the late 1700's and early 1800's- several recipe/cook books from the 1800's also show this, historian also have records of this as well. George Washington Carver and the Tuskegee Institute were instrumental in US peanut usage. 

Peanut oil usage greatly increased around WWII and in wide use in the US diet for several decades. 

 

 

there are lots of ways of find this out - my old elementary history book also had this in (pre-internet, back when people were not saying their children had reactions from vaccines and allergies to peanuts were unheard of-ancient history times)

http://www.goodearthpeanuts.com/historyworld.htm

http://www.nationalpeanutboard.org/classroom-history.php

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Sure eating peanuts can't cause allergy, but if you have an allergy and you don't eat peanuts you won't find out about it, either.
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George Washington carver, WWII, etc all happened in the early 1900s. That's when peanuts were popularized as food for people not just livestock. They were trying to get farmers to switch from cotton to peanuts because cotton was depleting the soil and peanuts would replenish it.
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From your link.

"However, until 1900 peanuts were not extensively grown, partially because they were regarded as food for the poor, and because growing and harvesting were slow and difficult until labor-saving equipment was invented around the turn of the century."

My only point is that there are lots of potential reasons for increased peanut allergies.
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Sure eating peanuts can't cause allergy, but if you have an allergy and you don't eat peanuts you won't find out about it, either.
 

Sorry, but you need to to sensitized to a food before you can have an anaphalictic reaction. M. Richet's research, the first to observe this, is vital to understanding this. Do yourself a favor and read his speech - its quite short. While your at it take a look at Clemens Von Pirquet's work on Serum Sickness too. 


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I read his speech when he posted it before. I don't know what the relevance really is here, though. You don't have a reaction the first time you eat a food. That's kind of allergies 101. Still, less consumption of peanuts would mean less allergies, even if there were no other factors at play.
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Clemens Von Pirquet was the describer of the Serum Sickness reaction; vaccine reaction and vaccine allergy. He was the inventor of the term allergy (because immunity couldn't be differentiated from hypersensitivity). He developer of the common TB skin test; and devised a unique system to nutrition, and described the kitchen at his Children's Clinic more important than the pharmacy. He was also responsible for certified milk fortified with vitamin D. He also ensured that his clinic had easily readable patient charts, isolation for disease groups and utilized fresh air and sunlight in the healing process.

 

Unfortunately, history's eraser has wiped him out.

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Thanks for posting that speech Mirzam. Great find!

 

"by 1902 we were able to state three main factors which are the corner-stone of the history of anaphylaxis:

(3) a three or four week period must elapse before the anaphylactic state results. This is the period of incubation."

 

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"In 1903 Arthus, in Lausanne, showed that a first intravenous injection of serum on a rabbit causes anaphylaxis, i.e. three weeks after the first injection the rabbit is hypersensitive to the second injection. The phenomenon of anaphylaxis was becoming of general application. Instead of applying only to toxins and toxalbumins, it held good for all proteins, whether toxic at the first injection or not."

 

"the phenomenon of anaphylaxis occurs after every injection of serum, even when the injection is minute, for example of 0.00001 ml which is an infinitely small amount but nevertheless sufficient to anaphylactize an animal."

 

I'm only 1/4 of the way through the speech, and already found several precious gems of information!

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I read his speech when he posted it before. I don't know what the relevance really is here, though. You don't have a reaction the first time you eat a food. That's kind of allergies 101. Still, less consumption of peanuts would mean less allergies, even if there were no other factors at play.

Again, eating a food substance won't cause anaphlactic shock. YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN SENSITIZED THROUGH INJECTION FIRST. Yes, I am shouting in exasperation. duh.gif

 

I guess you didn't understand the relevance to Charles Richet's work with regard to vaccine excipiants. When you inject things like peanut oil or squalene into a body, it will become senstized.

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So the claim is all allergies are caused by prior injection?
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If injection always causes sensitivity, and vaccines contain peanut oil, why isn't the rate of peanut allergies much much higher?
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So the claim is all allergies are caused by prior injection?

 

No. Whole proteins from substances can get into the bloodstream if the gut is permeable. For example, if a mother has a leaky gut it can get through breastmilk and can sensitize her baby.

 

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If injection always causes sensitivity, and vaccines contain peanut oil, why isn't the rate of peanut allergies much much higher?

 

There are degrees of sensitization, as Charles Richet pointed out with his experiments with dogs. Are you sure you read the speech?

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