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Pek I wasn't even responding to you.

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Was in the middle of composing a reply when my browser crashed. Grrr.

 

Will provide a useful link I found though: 

 

http://justthevax.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/toxin-gambit-part-1-formaldehyde.html

 

I had picked out the relevent bits (and references) and dug in, but have to get back to work, so I'll leave you to read it for yourself. 

so now evidence is from a blog? and you also science mom as well? 


 

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I thought you were, since your post immediately followed mine.

Understandable. I edited I clarify.
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so now evidence is from a blog? and you also science mom as well? 

The blog is well referenced - follow those links. smile.gif

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Here's the well referenced paragraph about formaldahyde in common foods: 

 

 

 

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Naturally occurring sources of formaldehyde are found in plants, fruits, vegetables, animals (including humans) and seafood (Mason et al. 2004 and Inchem 1989). Table 14 of the Environmental Health Programme on Chemical Safety: Formaldehyde, and Table 95.2, Chapter 95: Formaldehyde, lists some commonly-consumed foods and their formaldehyde concentrations. (Clary and Sullivan 2001 and Inchem 1989).

 

One of the links in that text: http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc89.htm#SubSectionNumber:5.1.4


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They updated the meme with a factual correction. 

 

It's not 600 times more formaldahyde in a pear than vaccine, it's 120 times. I'll see if I can change the title.

 

 

Also now see the link to the data source. Obviously lots of people pointed out that was bad form!


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Here's the message on the Facebook group about why the change: 

 

 

 

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You may have seen or shared one like this before, however we removed it to make a small adjustment so it accurately specifies the relative formaldehyde per weight of pear. We've also included a source. We care about the accuracy of our memes so thank you to those who pointed out our omissions! Please spread this one far and wide. 
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http://tinyurl.com/pearpair - deconstructing the formaldehyde gambit
http://tinyurl.com/foodCH20 - amount of formaldehyde in common foods
http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2012/04/demystifying-vaccine-ingredients.html - amount of formaldehyde in vaccines

 


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I am sorry but this seems so pointless to me, vaccines (with the formaldehyde and whatever else) are injected into the body and pears with natural occurring formaldehyde in combination with all the other compounds that make up a the fruit is digested. 

 

What am I missing here?


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I am sorry but this seems so pointless to me, vaccines (with the formaldehyde and whatever else) are injected into the body and pears with natural occurring formaldehyde in combination with all the other compounds that make up a the fruit is digested. 

 

What am I missing here?

That's kind of how I feel...dizzy.gif  


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Possibly the factor of 120? If even 119/120th of the formaldahdye you ingest from a pear is digested safely you get the same amount from eating the pear as you would from a vaccine..... Although neither amount is actually of any concern (sorry if I confused matters with my title - an attempt at humour which is probably ill advised in this forum!). 


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The body produces formaldehyde naturally. We all have it in our blood at this very, moment including infants. The amount in a vaccine is a fraction of the amount already in your body. Even in an infant it doesn't measurably raise the level in their blood
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Though, I will give them credit for updating their meme. I've seen some pretty bad ones floating around that seem shameless in their lack of attention to truth. 


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It's just supposed to point out that if you are worrying about the ingredients in vaccines, formaldahyde is one of the ingredients you can stop worrying about. 


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The body produces formaldehyde naturally. We all have it in our blood at this very, moment including infants. The amount in a vaccine is a fraction of the amount already in your body. Even in an infant it doesn't measurably raise the level in their blood

This is so disingenuous. If you inject even a natural occurring substance into the body you run the risk of the body creating antibodies towards it, which will result in auto immunity and sensitization. 


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It's just supposed to point out that if you are worrying about the ingredients in vaccines, formaldahyde is one of the ingredients you can stop worrying about. 

Well, formaldehyde might be of lesser concern than the other ingredients in vaccines, true. But injecting it still has the potential to harm so I think it is still a legitimate concern. I am not about to inject even a minute amount of embalming fluid into my body for no good reason.


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pro - would you inject pear juice into your body in the same way as vaccines are injected?

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This is so disingenuous. If you inject even a natural occurring substance into the body you run the risk of the body creating antibodies towards it, which will result in auto immunity and sensitization. 

Disingenuous implies I'm saying something insincere or I don't really believe. In reality, I just disagree with you. If formaldehyde is in the blood it's in the blood. The body doesn't distinguish how it got there and spontaneously make antibodies just because it was injected.
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pro - would you inject pear juice into your body in the same way as vaccines are injected?

If it protected me from potentially serious disease and was safety tested to the level of currently licensed vaccines, then sure.

I also really like pears. Probably eaten hundreds of them in my lifetime.

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Rachel - so it would be totally safe to inject the amount of formaldehyde present in a pear (120x the vax!) and you'll be okay? What about 2 or 3 pears worth? Pears are the only fruit that my dd can eat, so that means a lot of them!

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Well, formaldehyde might be of lesser concern than the other ingredients in vaccines, true. But injecting it still has the potential to harm so I think it is still a legitimate concern. I am not about to inject even a minute amount of embalming fluid into my body for no good reason.

The formaldehyde in vaccines is not the same as embalming fluid.
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Formaldehyde in our bodies = H2CO (natural)
Formaldehyde in vaccines = H2CO (synthetic)
Formaldehyde in embalming fluid = H2CO+CH3OH+CH3CH2OH+solvents
Formaldehyde in plywood = H2CO+NH2CONH2+CH3OH+HCOOH+H2O

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/03/13/common-anti-vaccination-myths-and-misconceptions/
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Injecting synthetic formaldehyde into the body is still probably not a good idea. 


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You're certainly entitled to that opinion, but there's scientific evidence to back it up. If you just don't like the idea that's certainly up to you.
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You're certainly entitled to that opinion, but there's scientific evidence to back it up. If you just don't like the idea that's certainly up to you.

And I am cool with you choosing to inject your child with a synthetic version of a naturally occurring substance in the body that has the potential to sensitize them to it.  (There's science to back that up too.)

 

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I'm not sure there is science to back that up. Is formaldahyde a protein? The research you posted before (from the early 1900s) only applied to certain kinds of substances.
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Where is the proof that H2CO in a synthetic version is somehow more dangerous than H2CO in a natural version?  I'm not entirely sure the body knows the difference, and since you seem to be, I'd like to know why?


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I'm not sure there is science to back that up. Is formaldahyde a protein? The research you posted before (from the early 1900s) only applied to certain kinds of substances.

It does not have to be a protein, Charles Richet used the toxin from a jelly fish to sensitize and produce a reaction. The body can react to natural substances like squalene adjuvant with an auto antibody response. It is a crap shoot injecting these substances into living organisms.

 

Nothing is black and white - gray areas abound with vaccines.


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